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Vigile writes "With the news that Apple will be releasing new MacBook products on October 14th, speculation has begun on what exactly those new products will be. Tips of a manufacturing process involving lasers and a single 'brick' of aluminum are catching on, as is the idea of a sub-$1000 netbook-type device. More interesting might be the persistent rumors of an NVIDIA chipset adoption that would drastically increase gaming ability, allow MacBooks to improve their support for OpenCL and take advantage of the new Adobe CS4 software with GPU acceleration. Will NVIDIA's ailing chipset business get a shot in the arm next week?"

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  1. Hooray for NVIDIA by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

    God knows that gaming graphics is the only reason left why I'm still hanging on to the PC platform...

    1. Re:Hooray for NVIDIA by spazdor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For the love of God, man, use a comma!

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    2. Re:Hooray for NVIDIA by spazdor · · Score: 5, Funny

      <shatner>"For, the, love, of, God, man, use, a, comma!"</shatner>

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  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  3. LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple will announce that due to the financial crisis, they've been able to purcase Iceland. However, it will be rebranded as iCeland. Steve Jobs was apparently very fond of their homogeneous population.

    1. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As part of the deal they're also getting England which will of course be re branded to iNgland.

    2. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by Gewalt · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think I've ever heard Bjork described as "homogenous" before.

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    3. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Geez, get off her back. She's 43 years old. You couldn't expect her to stay impish forever, you know.

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    4. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by phatlipmojo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Homogenic, yes.
      Homogenous, no.

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    5. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget Sigur Ros! I swear those guys are elves or something....

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    6. Re:LEAK! This year's "ONE MORE THING" by cens0r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw Sigur Ros here in Seattle and Paul Allen sat next to me. It was weird.

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  4. Or put another way by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple will soon be selling pre-bricked laptops.

    1. Re:Or put another way by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apple will soon be selling pre-bricked laptops.

      Ha! Dell's been doing that for years!

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  5. If they sell a laptop for $800... by argent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they sell a laptop for $800, as rumored, then who's going to buy a Mac mini for $600+?

    Of course, they could probably sell the mini for $400 and still make 40% profit. It's basically a laptop with the most expensive part of a laptop (the screen) left out.

    1. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All I want for Christmas is a Mini with a Blu-ray drive. An integrated screen is a detriment to an HTPC.

      -Peter

    2. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Makes more sense to expand the iTV to support a Blu-Ray drive and offer it in black.

      Sorry, but the mini just doesn't fit for me. It looks out of place unless I hide it behind the TV

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    3. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      There have been rumours of the mini getting cancelled for years. It might finally happen. The notebook market seems to be leaving the desktop market behind anyway.

    4. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll still buy mini's. I love the things. I've got 8, mostly still 1.25 and 1.42Ghz G4's that I've picked up off ebay. I have one hooked up to my 32" LCD TV as a media center (basically an Apple TV before there were apple TV's) and then use the others as a cheap rendering grid for Final Cut and Blender. Best part is they take up a shelf on my book case and don't drive up the powerbill that much nor heat the den as bad as the quadcore. (used to heat a bloody 1 bedroom apt with the thing.)

      At work we've bought mini's to replace all the point of sale and desktop units. Worked out well since they already had monitors/touchscreens and keyboards and mice that were all USB.

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    5. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wish I had your discretionary toy budget.

    6. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's laptop sales passed their desktop sales over two years ago. They cater for the 'you can't squeeze as much power as I need into a laptop' market with the Mac Pro. The Mac Mini is for the 'I can't afford a laptop' market, and this is growing steadily smaller. I wouldn't be surprised to see the AppleTV and Mac Mini product lines converge - a small box running OS X under the hood, but only exposing Safari, iPhoto and iTunes at the UI, with the ability to rip CDs, and maybe DVDs too. The only question is whether it would run x86 or ARM. The newer OMAP chips can decode H.264 in realtime, and are a lot cheaper than anything Intel has on offer.

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    7. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really like having a general purpose computer hooked up to my TV.

      You know you can't add codecs to an AppleTV without voiding the warranty, right? And it doesn't have the horsepower to decode anything good in software anyway. Blech.

      Seems way more important than the color to me. But if you're really hung up on it, buy a skin: http://www.skinit.com/devices/miscellaneous/apple_miscellaneous (You can do "custom" and select all black.)

      -Peter

    8. Re:If they sell a laptop for $800... by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

      how do you get the minis to work together as a grid?

      With this

      -jcr

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  6. Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    God knows that gaming graphics is the only reason left why I'm still hanging on to the PC platform...

    Are first-person shooters and indie games the only reason left why you haven't already moved to the Xbox 360 or PS3 platform?

    1. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by BlowHole666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well not too many MMOs are played on an Xbox 360 or PS3. Probably the only semi-big name game that is on a console is the Final Fantasy one. Age of Conan "Claims" they will make a game for the Xbox 360. So if you are an MMO fan and you play games like DAoC, WOW, Warhammer, EVE you are stuck with a PC/mac rather then a console.

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    2. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by Synn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I own a PS3 and I still prefer PCs for shooters and gaming. I just like the interface better.

      Though maybe that would change if I just forced myself to play them on consoles more.

    3. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by butterflysrage · · Score: 2, Funny

      same reason I don't go to a gun range... I'm a crappy shot.

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    4. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by hendrix2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      One need only follow this simple chart.

    5. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because you lose the ability to control your movements accurately, and you end up with a rail shooter. Aiming and shooting is all well and good, but putting the movement controls on the same gun would is a pain in the ass. The only solution would be something like the Wii nunchuk combined with a one-handed gun adapter. Which would actually be kinda cool, but it hasn't been pulled off quite right yet, and either way it limits you to Wii graphics, which are nowhere near what PS3/360/PC capabilities are right now. The Wii is a lot of fun, but no one is claiming it's next-gen graphics ;)

    6. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by FrozenFOXX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since you mentioned you have a PS3, why not just use a mouse and keyboard with it, the interface you prefer? Several games already support this such as UT3.

      As a side note on the topic of control interfaces (though not to the parent specifically), I personally "prefer" the gamepad. It's comfy and in some titles like RTSes (!) I actually do VERY well with it (shockingly, I might add). However, both the 360 AND the PS3 support keyboards and mice, it's the games that don't. The onus is on a game company to support keyboards and mice in their games. It's not really very fair to a console these days to complain that a console doesn't give you an interface when in all reality yes, it does, it's just your favorite game studio decided to gimp the product for the platform. Bitch at the dev house.

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    7. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If by serious you mean "never-ending money pit," then yes, gaming PC's are serious.

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    8. Re:Mac vs. PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 by timbck2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't have to worry about the trigger pull, the weight of the
      gun, the length of the gun or keeping the gun steady during recoil.

      Not to mention the danger of injury or loss of life...

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  7. FYI by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Informative

    OpenCL is NOT a typo.

    See HERE:

    OpenCL (Open Computing Language) is a language for programming heterogeneous data and task parallel computing across GPUs and CPUs. It was created by Apple in cooperation with others, and is based on C99.

    The purpose is to recall OpenGL and OpenAL, which are open industry standards for 3D graphics and computer audio respectively, to extend the power of the GPU beyond graphics (GPGPU).

    Apple has proposed OpenCL for Khronos Group where on June 16th 2008 Compute Working Group was formed for the standardization work.

    OpenCL is scheduled to be introduced in Mac OS 10.6 ('Snow Leopard').According to the press release:

    Snow Leopard further extends support for modern hardware with Open Computing Language (OpenCL), which lets any application tap into the vast gigaflops of GPU computing power previously available only to graphics applications. OpenCL is based on the C programming language and has been proposed as an open standard.

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    1. Re:FYI by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you. I did a double take myself until I goggled it. It's frustrating when posters assume new technology is automatically known by everyone. Don't they know the tinfoil impedes our clairvoyance abilities?

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    2. Re:FYI by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      OpenCL is NOT a typo.

      See HERE

      Please update the fine summary to include the above informative link.

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  8. Re:OpenCL? by aredubya74 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can browse /., but not Wikipedia? "OpenCL (Open Computing Language) is a language for programming heterogeneous data and task parallel computing across GPUs and CPUs. It was created by Apple in cooperation with others, and is based on C99."

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  9. Re:I'll buy apple... by MacColossus · · Score: 4, Funny

    SNOW Leopard comes out next year. Start saving your pennies. :-) http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

  10. Re:Nvidia & Apple aren't really know for relia by Microlith · · Score: 2, Informative

    already more prone to need warranty service than any other manufacturer's product that I can name

    No more prone to warranty service than every Dell I've ever had the displeasure of being asked to look at.

    But people like to look closely at Apple for failure so they can bash them. More so than even Microsoft it seems.

  11. A perfect prediction by ppolitop · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple will either release a cheap macbook ($799) with discrete nvidia graphics, aluminum casing made with water-jets and lasers, netbook-sized, featuring an LED backlit screen -with good panel- OR thousands of people on the internet will start writing about how disappointed they are.

  12. Shot in the arm? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " Will NVIDIA's ailing chipset business get a shot in the arm next week?"

    They'll need it since they just got a swift kick in the a@@

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  13. Plausibility? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While they do make for fun fanboy wank material, does anybody actually take the OMG PWERBOOKS WILL be carved by LASER ROBOTS!!! thing seriously? Material fabrication and shaping is an area that is steadily improving; but nothing points to Apple as having made any revolutionary advances in the area recently. And, barring such revolutionary advances, machining big chunks of material isn't exactly cheap. Cheaper than it used to be, sure, and definitely cheap enough to be cost effective for some applications; but hardly cost competitive with present techniques.

    The other rumors seem markedly more plausible. 800 would be about the expected pricepoint for Apple's answer to the netbook(whether it will actually use atom and SSD or just be a low end macbook, I have no idea).

  14. Raising the bar for stock gfx is a positive move by eniacfoa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The best thing the computer gaming industry can do is not actually "give" people a reason to buy a console...they've already got their computer. Theres no doubt there are problems in the computer gaming world, but this move can only be a good thing for computer gamers. If PC's, laptop or desktop (and I mean "personal computers" in general) come standard with decent graphics solutions it will only increase the platforms attractiveness to average joe who cant install a graphics card himself or does not know they even exist. Many people I know were not even aware you can get control pads for computers. They like they fact that with a console you plug it in, turn it on and play. They know they will never be able to tinker around with the inside of a computer. And when I tell them about things like Spore DRM, they know they dont want to "rent" a game. IMHO, The big PC builders, Dell, HP etc..should give away a control pad with the purchase of a new PC and perhaps companies like EA could also give away some controllers with games that really need it. It doesn't have to be a fancy wifi one...just a cheap usb PS2 clone controller...if average joe knows the controllers exists, he knows he can upgrade...

  15. To paraphrase Jon Stewart by spazdor · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're defending Apple's hardware reliability by comparing it to Dell's...

    "We're in bad shape, fellas."

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  16. Re:$600 to $1500+ mini tower by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most people are ill equipped to fill up a 40G drive, nevermind 1TB.

    Those of us that can easily fill up a 1TB drive, find ourselves
    wanting a lot more. So the mini isn't as bad as one might think
    at first glance. There are far better things that Apple could do
    with the line besides replicate the System76 Sable.

    A Quad core mini would be my personal first choice. Add a video
    chipset that has onboard h264 acceleration (although with the
    quad you might not need it).

    An appletv that can go toe to toe with the popcorn hour when
    it comes to h264 decoding would also be a good move.

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  17. machines by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A 500 buck cheap laptop today IS a cheap "all in one" from just a couple of years ago or so, which means it is perfectly fine except for most uses except extreme high end new games (mostly). You can still run a full size monitor and keyboard and a real mouse from them. Bonus extra screen and built in UPS that lasts for hours, not minutes!

  18. Re:I'll buy apple... by jazuki · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll buy apple... ...when leopard freezes over!

    SNOW Leopard comes out next year. Start saving your pennies. :-)
    http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

    Are you trying to explain the joke? Or announcing you didn't get it? ;)

  19. Stamping, drawing, etc. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right. Nobody makes mass-produced items by machining them out of solid metal. It's too slow, and you waste too much metal. That's what die-casting, drawing, and stamping are for. Laptop cases are thin enough that die-casting is probably overkill. Drawing or stamping is more likely, followed by a punching step. There might be a role for a laser if very small holes have to be made or some surface engraving is desired.

    The NextCube case was a magnesium casting, which was sort of silly for a desktop device.

    A cute idea for the case modding crowd would be industrial origami. This little-known technology works much better than you'd expect. It's a fun experience to take a flat, prepunched plate and hand-fold it into an electrical outlet box.

  20. Re:Ick... BLOB by not+already+in+use · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, it will totally suck to have your graphics hardware properly supported under Linux. Considering you're dual booting Linux along side one of the most locked-down proprietary consumer platforms available while at the same time complaining about a binary driver on the Linux side is.... Ironic.

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  21. Whippersnappers! by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Keyboard AND Mouse? Duke Nukem 3D? That's not old-school! Why you young pups, I remember when mouselook was just a crazy gleam in a programmer's eye. You think aiming sucks with an analog stick? Try using the freaking number pad.

    And I remember REAL old-school first person shooters, the ones where we ran around the backyard pointing sticks at each other going "pew pew" and arguing over who got hit first.

    I guess I should add "get off my lawn."

  22. Re:HP Pavilion Slimline and Mac mini by danaris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if I develop and sell copies of a party game for Windows and Mac OS X, will I find a large market of HTPC (home theater personal computing) enthusiasts and few competitors?

    Few competitors? Probably. Large market? Not from what I've seen.

    So far as I can tell, HTPCs are largely of interest to us geeks—and only accessible to geeks of greater-than-average income (or debt, depending on the level of financial good sense). I think they're gaining some traction, but by and large, if your average person is going to have something connected to their television besides a DVD/VCR, cable/satellite box, or Big 3 game console, it's going to be a cable/satellite-company provided DVR (which may simply double as the cable box), or a TiVo.

    So why don't more HDTVs have a Windows PC or a Mac mini by them?

    From where I sit, I see 3 main reasons:

    1. Price. Most people have one computer, and it's a desktop, and they want to sit at it and use it like a computer. If they have a second computer, it's probably a laptop (or just their older desktop).
    2. Ignorance. Most people don't even know that you can do something like that.
    3. Lack of a compelling reason. Most people, even if they knew that you could do something like that, wouldn't care. As I said, they've got their desktop, and maybe their laptop; even if they have the cash to burn on another computer for the living room, what does it really get them? They can already play DVDs; they're not torrenting tons of shows; anything they do download, they're OK with watching on their computer screens.

    Essentially, it just isn't worth it to most people to have a computer whose sole purpose is to be hooked up to their television. I'm sure that as convergence proceeds and prices drop (assuming this financial meltdown doesn't destroy civilization as we know it first), there will come a point at which the features are good enough, the price is low enough, and there's some killer app that finally drives sales of computers intended to be combination DVR/game machine/general-purpose living room computers. However, that time is still a ways away.

    Now, going back to the original point, that's not to say that we won't start to see more casual/party games intended for HTPCs before they really take off among non-geeks. For independent developers, even though the geek market isn't large, it could still be large enough to support moderate-to-low-budget development. But it's still quite a gamble at this point, and I don't think that even many geeks are thinking of HTPCs as party gaming machines...which makes it a chicken-and-egg problem, like so many out there.

    Dan Aris

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  23. Re:Ick... BLOB by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... one of the most locked-down proprietary consumer platforms available ...

    I love how people throw this sort of thing out when they must know it's just not true.

    http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
    http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
    http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html

    Apple use and contribute to open source, and OS X is largely an open source OS with a proprietary front-end.

    Criticise Apple for real stuff, you've got plenty of choice. Don't make stuff up and pretend it's true though.

  24. Re:Nvidia & Apple aren't really know for relia by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nvidia? That'd be just awesome. I can't think of any other way to make Apple hardware (already more prone to need warranty service than any other manufacturer's product that I can name) any less reliable.

    Apple consistently has high high customer satisfaction year after year. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I've had for almost 14 months and the only tyme I've taken it down to an Apple store, there are 4 within half hour's drive, was when I got it. Some software I ordered with it was old. I have not had a single hardware problem whereas with 3 new PCs, a Gateway and an HP with Windows and a no name brand PC with Linux preinstalled, the hdd and mobos failed within the first year.

    Falcon