is this article serious? Theres only 2 situations where you play those games.
1. your on a work machine offline and bored out of your mind with no work to do.
2. your a sad loser who thinks solitaire is hours of entertainment.
And I think Bill Gates gets enough recognition too...
You cant blame the environmental lobby. Blame the corrupted system full of corrupt politicians and judges that allowed this to take place.
If there wasnt an enviromental lobby your water would be poisoned like africa and that is NOT an exaggeration. Point your goddamn finger at the people are are actually the criminals. Your government. Dont let the bastards deflect blame.
michael moores heart is in the right place but hes severely confused...one second he says "we shouldn't settle for a lesser evil, because the lesser evil just gets more evil each time" - reffering to voting for the democrats because they aren't as bad as bush...
Then next election he compromises and says "Dont vote for ralph nader, we need to get rid of Bush" and disgracefully slanders Nader at any opportunity. Then he doesnt even come to his defense when Nader is removed by police for trying to attend the debates which are run by the dems and reps...He had an INVITATION to watch the debates in a fox news van which was parked on site, but the shonky debate boss's wouldnt even let him do that - they said "your not welcome". This is a man who's risked his own life for the people of the united states to fight for the common man and michael moore is supposed to stand against injustice...The way Nader has been treated by michael moore and the democrats is a travesty. Any one with half a brain can see kerry threw the election and bush was pre chosen.
Michael Moore being naive thinks Kerry made some "bad" desicions which cost him the election. Its far more likely Kerry knew exactly what he was doing when he didnt defend charges for weeks that he was a deserter during the campaign...not to mention the other so called "stuff ups".
Fact is Nader was not the only "3rd party" who picked up significant votes and he was made a scapegoat. I believe michael moore will look back on that in a few years with some regret after he realises Obama is owned by the banking dynasties and lobbysists as much as bush, clinton, bush snr, reagan, carter and nixon were.
The Presidents and prime ministers of this world are portrayed as being at the top of the power pyramid by the corporate owned news. The sooner people realise that our leaders gave that power away to the banking dynasties nearly 100 years ago the sooner we the people will take it back.
These so called opposing parties we have are actually the one party with 2 factions within the one party. Wake up people...
I am not making up lies about GTA IV. I dont think what you see as "acceptable" is what I see as acceptable. calling me a liar tells me your blind and retarded.
When there is a significant amount of action happening on screen the frame rate is PATHETIC on xbox 360. In fact the frame rate only runs really smooth and fast when you are the only car on the road.
I have not seen the Ps3 version in action, but im tipping it will be similar.
You obviously dont have a problem with shithouse frame rates, other people do.
PS - the level of optimization you speak of allows the console to be fairly impressive with low, cheap to manufacture specs but graphically it still doesn't beat a decent PC.
i didn't say that things always run bad on consoles...maybe you should read what we wrote and not put words into my mouth.
i am pointing out that 'you' say games look better on console. 'you' say they look better and run smoother and you cite gears of wars 1 and 2.
This is what im picking on. Gears of war is not that impressive graphically.
I am buying GTAIV for PC and Im still willing to bet on my 8800GTS dual core pc it will run smoother, faster and generally look better than the xbox360 or ps3 versions.
Smooth fast frame rates improve gameplay and higher resolutions are kind of important to how impressive the gfx are. Look at all the fuss with HD for TV let alone gaming.
ill cite an actual comparison ive experienced. Compare Dynasty Warriors on console to PC. They look the same graphically but guess what? my pc will handle craploads more enemies on screen at any given time, the draw distances as waaaaaay further away and the frame rate never drops (unlike the console versions). This makes the same game better. I dont know how you spent 3K on a Pc and still think games are graphically better on console. when consoles 1st get launched they are reasonably competitive with pc's. But after this amount of time, hell no. You just dont need to spend 3K on a PC to make it beat a console. I am a professional musician, my audio interface (external sound card) cost half your 3K lemon let alone the rest of my studio. so stick your mummy and daddy stab straight back up your ass where it came from. the $1000 does not include the 24" LCD screen either. just system box and 8800GTS - Console killer.
I still own several consoles and are not against them, nor do I feel gfx are super important to how good a game is, I still play my amiga 500, yes it still works and yes speedball2 still rocks.
you are seriously in dreamland.
GTAIV on xbox360 has frame rates that drop to such crap levels, probably 5-10 frames per sec in some cases, I find the game extremely irritating to play. theres nothing worse than trying to steer or aim with precise movements with frame rates so low its impossible. I havent played GTAIV on PC yet, but I could guarantee you that wouldnt be the case. PC gamers wouldnt stand for it. They would flood rockstar with hate mail and bad publicity.
For $1000 australian I have a built a PC that shits on your xbox360 and wipes its ass with a PS3. Considering the versatility of a computer and the fact a PS3 is around $650AUD I say this is great value.
Gears of war 1 and 2 both are really booooring FPS's. So is Crysis. But crysis does look better. I have also seen COD4 on my PC and on my friends xbox360. my version looks better. my friend who owns the xbox360 says my version looks better. Maybe your $3000USD machine was a lemon. Or maybe you need your eyesight tested.
There is nothing on console that looks remotely as good or smooth as whats available in PC gaming.
There is an article going around, search for it yourself, where a $60 USD gfx card is now more powerful than whats on offer in the consoles.
Saying PC hardware cant compete with an xbox360 makes you sound like a complete idiot.
MS engages in all sorts of anti-competitive behavior, including trying to force blackmail money out of linux developers with threats of frivolous lawsuits. Sign here, pay us some money and we promise we wont sue for any possible copyright infringements you may or may NOT have committed even though we have infringed on YOUR copyright before. If you dont like it we can make your life hell dragging you through the courts with our army of lawyers... There is more to MS's 98% market share than a "look and feel". Thats a very ill thought out and thin explanation. I suppose corporations are your best friends, their employees live in lollypop lane and they would never do anything unethical to beat out the competition...nooo...they wouldnt do that would they? especially not MS....hahahahah...real naive.
after the computers wars, MS being ready for the net in 1995 was the final nail in the coffin for anyone trying to compete with windows.
it is not worth completely breaking windows compatibility only to be using the same x86 architecture which was designed a lllooonnng time ago (way older than windows legacy code) and really is outdated despite the amount of transistors being squeezed into a cpu these days.
I think MS and intel should be working on the next gen computer instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over again. There has been talk from computer scientists that the current market situation is holding innovation with computers back. I agree with that 100%.
from someone who has taken 10000,'s of tech support calls - it cant be done. (people do win lotto) No matter what you write down, no matter what you install. I mean no insult.
People from all walks of life call tech support. Doctors and lawyers to unemployed stoners. It doesn't mean they are stupid...but I do think there is some truth to "you cant teach an old dog new tricks". Especially when your talking about technology.
the ONLY reason it works on consoles is people are playing online now and they are too scared to chip their consoles now because their machines get banned for life if they go online...console makers also LOVE the fact that this drives people to buy a new console and not a used one in case its a banned machine...
this is an industry that has seen massive growth...didnt gaming overtake the movie business recently? and these greedy bastards are crying poor. yeah right...
your spot on here...and they are trying to prove what they believe to destroy used game sales...I think some DRM is fair...what pisses me off is when I cant have 2 DVD drives or run a virtual drive on my machine...both of those things completely infringe on my rights and both assume you are a criminal before any crime is commited. And what about activation servers? I dont want to rent games...if I choose to play a game in ten years time thats my fucking choice.
Whats really screwed up is you can go to alienware and buy a $8000 GAMING pc for fucks sake with the option of an extra drive with ZERO information that its going to make most new games fail...not to mention ZERO information on the box of the game.
having no DRM at all is going from one extreme to another. the company should be trying to find the balance of whats fair...Ithe true motive is to destroy used sales, again infringing on my right to transfer ownership of my possestions. Game publishers have to expect some piracy...the excuse of making it as hard as possible for people to pirate the game isnt right when it infringes on legitimate users rights...for gods sake, just find the balance ubisoft.
there are only 3 big obstacles from linux taking over the world and they are painfully obvious...1 is hardware support...people want the best gfx and need support for plenty of 3rd party devices on market. 2 - installers. people need to be able to install ANY software they choose with a couple of mouse clicks...this is not a windows thing, its a modern commercial HOME OS thing, I hate linux heads that tell me this is a windows thing, I dont care how difficult it is to do...3 linux needs ports of popular software and games.
It is irrelevent to the average user that if they just support linux, it "might" get to a point where they can actually install any software they want with a couple of mouse clicks or play the latest games or use professional creative software etc....they dont care...I dont care...I dont have the time to wait....until it happens it just cannot be considered an OS for the masses...it just cannot....the fact its free stops it from becoming a real product...people believe one day it will overcome these hurdles, but i personally doubt it can happen without it becoming a real product and being sold....I swear I would switch to it if I could (im a pro musician and gamer, bye bye linux)...but I just cant see it ever happening...I wish it well, but there isnt even a clear direction. How many distro's do we need?
the game was a craload alike dune II...that is the point. what I meant to write was it FELT like a rip off.
like one guy here said - the tiberium looks like spice.
To "clock" golden eye 007 on N64 you had to pass every stage in a certain amount of time...
The time given for the facility stage was 2:10...
This was so low to actually pass it you needed 2 random events to happen. 1 - You had to collect a key to a door off a scientist. He would randomly appear in 4 different places, but you could only pass the stage in 2:10 if he was in 1 of the positions, (the one least out of your way) and 2 - you did not have time to stop at all or really even to turn around and shoot backwards, so you needed to get a crapload of headshots and take out as many enemys as possible so you would actually survive the run till the end, not easy with a controller. So not easy I consider it to be a random event with luck involved...If you missed a few head shots, youd have enemies chasing you shooting you from behind as you bolted through the stage... sometimes you could make it and sometimes you couldnt...even if you did make the 3/4 of the way in to meet the scientist he wasnt there most of the time to give you the key and just not enough time to go to any of the other positions he might be in...It took sooooo many attempts, but I beat that sucker!!!!!!! If i remember right that unlocked invincibility cheat lol...
yeah man, ill never forget playing dune II for the 1st time on my amiga 500...i think it was the 1st time i stayed up all nite till dawn playing video games...
and yeah, c&c was a ripoff no doubt...
ha one last thing...my 1st computer was a vic-20, ive sinced owned an apple IIc, c64, c128, amiga 500, amiga 1200, amiga 3000 and of course many x86 boxes...
so your generalization of you were using computers while I was playing with action figure dolls is as wrong as mine...
except i was just ranting coz tech support does really make you want to kill yourself and the dipshit on the other end of the line...
PS - I completely agree the average intelligence of "joe the plumber" is waaaayyy below par......
"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first kind is excellent, the second good, and the third kind useless."
- Niccolo Machiavelli
well, i wasnt being entirely serious....I thought that was obvious..
and i dont think its that silly...even if the person I am guiding doesnt know anything about computers, the younger person is 'generally' able to follow instructions over the phone a lot easier...Im 30 years old by the way...not that young...
the younger person also remembers that theyve seen "windows xp" flash up on the screen 1000 times...
when you ask the younger person what brand of router they have? they go look and tell you in 2 seconds.
the older person will often say - -"IM NOT A TECH!" in a very angry voice...I have NEVER had a younger person say that to me...
again I wasnt being entirely serious, but there is some truth to the rant...
Apple should just grow some balls and release macOS for PC. In this anti vista/MS climate they could take some serious market share. We are all dying for something better than windows...but we are never going to pay through the nose for over priced apple hardware.
screw the Icrap...I say hello and goodbye on my phone...I can wait till I get home to receive an email and Ill play real video games when i get home too
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this is about as true as weapons of mass destruction. This has put no one at risk. I cant believe establishment is getting away with this spin....
is this article serious? Theres only 2 situations where you play those games. 1. your on a work machine offline and bored out of your mind with no work to do. 2. your a sad loser who thinks solitaire is hours of entertainment. And I think Bill Gates gets enough recognition too...
You cant blame the environmental lobby. Blame the corrupted system full of corrupt politicians and judges that allowed this to take place. If there wasnt an enviromental lobby your water would be poisoned like africa and that is NOT an exaggeration. Point your goddamn finger at the people are are actually the criminals. Your government. Dont let the bastards deflect blame.
michael moores heart is in the right place but hes severely confused...one second he says "we shouldn't settle for a lesser evil, because the lesser evil just gets more evil each time" - reffering to voting for the democrats because they aren't as bad as bush... Then next election he compromises and says "Dont vote for ralph nader, we need to get rid of Bush" and disgracefully slanders Nader at any opportunity. Then he doesnt even come to his defense when Nader is removed by police for trying to attend the debates which are run by the dems and reps...He had an INVITATION to watch the debates in a fox news van which was parked on site, but the shonky debate boss's wouldnt even let him do that - they said "your not welcome". This is a man who's risked his own life for the people of the united states to fight for the common man and michael moore is supposed to stand against injustice...The way Nader has been treated by michael moore and the democrats is a travesty. Any one with half a brain can see kerry threw the election and bush was pre chosen. Michael Moore being naive thinks Kerry made some "bad" desicions which cost him the election. Its far more likely Kerry knew exactly what he was doing when he didnt defend charges for weeks that he was a deserter during the campaign...not to mention the other so called "stuff ups". Fact is Nader was not the only "3rd party" who picked up significant votes and he was made a scapegoat. I believe michael moore will look back on that in a few years with some regret after he realises Obama is owned by the banking dynasties and lobbysists as much as bush, clinton, bush snr, reagan, carter and nixon were. The Presidents and prime ministers of this world are portrayed as being at the top of the power pyramid by the corporate owned news. The sooner people realise that our leaders gave that power away to the banking dynasties nearly 100 years ago the sooner we the people will take it back. These so called opposing parties we have are actually the one party with 2 factions within the one party. Wake up people...
I am not making up lies about GTA IV. I dont think what you see as "acceptable" is what I see as acceptable. calling me a liar tells me your blind and retarded. When there is a significant amount of action happening on screen the frame rate is PATHETIC on xbox 360. In fact the frame rate only runs really smooth and fast when you are the only car on the road. I have not seen the Ps3 version in action, but im tipping it will be similar. You obviously dont have a problem with shithouse frame rates, other people do.
PS - the level of optimization you speak of allows the console to be fairly impressive with low, cheap to manufacture specs but graphically it still doesn't beat a decent PC.
i didn't say that things always run bad on consoles...maybe you should read what we wrote and not put words into my mouth. i am pointing out that 'you' say games look better on console. 'you' say they look better and run smoother and you cite gears of wars 1 and 2. This is what im picking on. Gears of war is not that impressive graphically. I am buying GTAIV for PC and Im still willing to bet on my 8800GTS dual core pc it will run smoother, faster and generally look better than the xbox360 or ps3 versions. Smooth fast frame rates improve gameplay and higher resolutions are kind of important to how impressive the gfx are. Look at all the fuss with HD for TV let alone gaming. ill cite an actual comparison ive experienced. Compare Dynasty Warriors on console to PC. They look the same graphically but guess what? my pc will handle craploads more enemies on screen at any given time, the draw distances as waaaaaay further away and the frame rate never drops (unlike the console versions). This makes the same game better. I dont know how you spent 3K on a Pc and still think games are graphically better on console. when consoles 1st get launched they are reasonably competitive with pc's. But after this amount of time, hell no. You just dont need to spend 3K on a PC to make it beat a console. I am a professional musician, my audio interface (external sound card) cost half your 3K lemon let alone the rest of my studio. so stick your mummy and daddy stab straight back up your ass where it came from. the $1000 does not include the 24" LCD screen either. just system box and 8800GTS - Console killer. I still own several consoles and are not against them, nor do I feel gfx are super important to how good a game is, I still play my amiga 500, yes it still works and yes speedball2 still rocks.
you are seriously in dreamland. GTAIV on xbox360 has frame rates that drop to such crap levels, probably 5-10 frames per sec in some cases, I find the game extremely irritating to play. theres nothing worse than trying to steer or aim with precise movements with frame rates so low its impossible. I havent played GTAIV on PC yet, but I could guarantee you that wouldnt be the case. PC gamers wouldnt stand for it. They would flood rockstar with hate mail and bad publicity. For $1000 australian I have a built a PC that shits on your xbox360 and wipes its ass with a PS3. Considering the versatility of a computer and the fact a PS3 is around $650AUD I say this is great value. Gears of war 1 and 2 both are really booooring FPS's. So is Crysis. But crysis does look better. I have also seen COD4 on my PC and on my friends xbox360. my version looks better. my friend who owns the xbox360 says my version looks better. Maybe your $3000USD machine was a lemon. Or maybe you need your eyesight tested. There is nothing on console that looks remotely as good or smooth as whats available in PC gaming. There is an article going around, search for it yourself, where a $60 USD gfx card is now more powerful than whats on offer in the consoles. Saying PC hardware cant compete with an xbox360 makes you sound like a complete idiot.
MS engages in all sorts of anti-competitive behavior, including trying to force blackmail money out of linux developers with threats of frivolous lawsuits. Sign here, pay us some money and we promise we wont sue for any possible copyright infringements you may or may NOT have committed even though we have infringed on YOUR copyright before. If you dont like it we can make your life hell dragging you through the courts with our army of lawyers... There is more to MS's 98% market share than a "look and feel". Thats a very ill thought out and thin explanation. I suppose corporations are your best friends, their employees live in lollypop lane and they would never do anything unethical to beat out the competition...nooo...they wouldnt do that would they? especially not MS....hahahahah...real naive. after the computers wars, MS being ready for the net in 1995 was the final nail in the coffin for anyone trying to compete with windows.
it is not worth completely breaking windows compatibility only to be using the same x86 architecture which was designed a lllooonnng time ago (way older than windows legacy code) and really is outdated despite the amount of transistors being squeezed into a cpu these days. I think MS and intel should be working on the next gen computer instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over again. There has been talk from computer scientists that the current market situation is holding innovation with computers back. I agree with that 100%.
from someone who has taken 10000,'s of tech support calls - it cant be done. (people do win lotto) No matter what you write down, no matter what you install. I mean no insult. People from all walks of life call tech support. Doctors and lawyers to unemployed stoners. It doesn't mean they are stupid...but I do think there is some truth to "you cant teach an old dog new tricks". Especially when your talking about technology.
how many people downloaded spore knowing damn well they would never play it? my guess is HEAPS. its a game for toys...
They know what they are doing...they have other motives...
the ONLY reason it works on consoles is people are playing online now and they are too scared to chip their consoles now because their machines get banned for life if they go online...console makers also LOVE the fact that this drives people to buy a new console and not a used one in case its a banned machine... this is an industry that has seen massive growth...didnt gaming overtake the movie business recently? and these greedy bastards are crying poor. yeah right...
your spot on here...and they are trying to prove what they believe to destroy used game sales...I think some DRM is fair...what pisses me off is when I cant have 2 DVD drives or run a virtual drive on my machine...both of those things completely infringe on my rights and both assume you are a criminal before any crime is commited. And what about activation servers? I dont want to rent games...if I choose to play a game in ten years time thats my fucking choice. Whats really screwed up is you can go to alienware and buy a $8000 GAMING pc for fucks sake with the option of an extra drive with ZERO information that its going to make most new games fail...not to mention ZERO information on the box of the game. having no DRM at all is going from one extreme to another. the company should be trying to find the balance of whats fair...Ithe true motive is to destroy used sales, again infringing on my right to transfer ownership of my possestions. Game publishers have to expect some piracy...the excuse of making it as hard as possible for people to pirate the game isnt right when it infringes on legitimate users rights...for gods sake, just find the balance ubisoft.
this type of thing isnt exactly 'rare'
there are only 3 big obstacles from linux taking over the world and they are painfully obvious...1 is hardware support...people want the best gfx and need support for plenty of 3rd party devices on market. 2 - installers. people need to be able to install ANY software they choose with a couple of mouse clicks...this is not a windows thing, its a modern commercial HOME OS thing, I hate linux heads that tell me this is a windows thing, I dont care how difficult it is to do...3 linux needs ports of popular software and games. It is irrelevent to the average user that if they just support linux, it "might" get to a point where they can actually install any software they want with a couple of mouse clicks or play the latest games or use professional creative software etc....they dont care...I dont care...I dont have the time to wait....until it happens it just cannot be considered an OS for the masses...it just cannot....the fact its free stops it from becoming a real product...people believe one day it will overcome these hurdles, but i personally doubt it can happen without it becoming a real product and being sold....I swear I would switch to it if I could (im a pro musician and gamer, bye bye linux)...but I just cant see it ever happening...I wish it well, but there isnt even a clear direction. How many distro's do we need?
the game was a craload alike dune II...that is the point. what I meant to write was it FELT like a rip off. like one guy here said - the tiberium looks like spice.
To "clock" golden eye 007 on N64 you had to pass every stage in a certain amount of time... The time given for the facility stage was 2:10... This was so low to actually pass it you needed 2 random events to happen. 1 - You had to collect a key to a door off a scientist. He would randomly appear in 4 different places, but you could only pass the stage in 2:10 if he was in 1 of the positions, (the one least out of your way) and 2 - you did not have time to stop at all or really even to turn around and shoot backwards, so you needed to get a crapload of headshots and take out as many enemys as possible so you would actually survive the run till the end, not easy with a controller. So not easy I consider it to be a random event with luck involved...If you missed a few head shots, youd have enemies chasing you shooting you from behind as you bolted through the stage... sometimes you could make it and sometimes you couldnt...even if you did make the 3/4 of the way in to meet the scientist he wasnt there most of the time to give you the key and just not enough time to go to any of the other positions he might be in...It took sooooo many attempts, but I beat that sucker!!!!!!! If i remember right that unlocked invincibility cheat lol...
yeah man, ill never forget playing dune II for the 1st time on my amiga 500...i think it was the 1st time i stayed up all nite till dawn playing video games... and yeah, c&c was a ripoff no doubt...
i havent heard of a ram disk since my amiga!!! I want to try this now!
ha one last thing...my 1st computer was a vic-20, ive sinced owned an apple IIc, c64, c128, amiga 500, amiga 1200, amiga 3000 and of course many x86 boxes... so your generalization of you were using computers while I was playing with action figure dolls is as wrong as mine... except i was just ranting coz tech support does really make you want to kill yourself and the dipshit on the other end of the line...
PS - I completely agree the average intelligence of "joe the plumber" is waaaayyy below par...... "There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first kind is excellent, the second good, and the third kind useless." - Niccolo Machiavelli
well, i wasnt being entirely serious....I thought that was obvious.. and i dont think its that silly...even if the person I am guiding doesnt know anything about computers, the younger person is 'generally' able to follow instructions over the phone a lot easier...Im 30 years old by the way...not that young... the younger person also remembers that theyve seen "windows xp" flash up on the screen 1000 times... when you ask the younger person what brand of router they have? they go look and tell you in 2 seconds. the older person will often say - -"IM NOT A TECH!" in a very angry voice...I have NEVER had a younger person say that to me... again I wasnt being entirely serious, but there is some truth to the rant...
Apple should just grow some balls and release macOS for PC. In this anti vista/MS climate they could take some serious market share. We are all dying for something better than windows...but we are never going to pay through the nose for over priced apple hardware. screw the Icrap...I say hello and goodbye on my phone...I can wait till I get home to receive an email and Ill play real video games when i get home too