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YouTube Adds Full-Length Television Shows

thefickler writes "YouTube has moved to put full-length television shows on its site for the first time. Historically, YouTube has hosted a bewildering and attractive variety of video clips, the vast majority of which have been under ten minutes in length. YouTube has announced that it had finalized a deal with CBS to offer shows such as Star Trek, MacGyver, Beverly Hills 90210, and The Young and the Restless. I can't wait to watch The Young and the Restless!"

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  1. Still using Flash by Daengbo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see Google switch over to the video tag and a free codec. That would make everything perfect.

    1. Re:Still using Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't disagree that I would like to see that happen, but think about it from the perspective from someone who works at GooTube and wants to keep that job: would it really make sense to switch to a brand-new standard only supported by [let's be generous] 25% of the market?

      Ok, you may respond, why not maintain two parallel versions of the site: one for legacy users and one for browsers that support the new standards? And to that I say, it's a little bit hard to go to management and ask for the resources and time to implement a second parallel version of a service that already works splendidly well.

      I would be just as happy as you if YouTube started offering video streams in other formats and other access methods. Until they do, though, I'll continue watching their FLV streams directly with VLC. The newly-released 0.9.2 even has a Lua scriptlet specifically designed to allow you to drop a YouTube URL directly into the playlist.

      Not good, but good enough. At least you don't need Flash.

    2. Re:Still using Flash by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Switching now would be rather premature, given that the HTML5 spec isn't set yet. In fact, they still have a big red box for what codecs are a must in all browsers, because no one can finally make up their mind and just use mp4/h264 already.

    3. Re:Still using Flash by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Is MPEG4 not free?

    4. Re:Still using Flash by Daengbo · · Score: 4, Informative

      MPEG-4 contains patented technologies that require licensing in countries that acknowledge software patents. Patents covering MPEG-4 are claimed by over two dozen companies. The MPEG Licensing Authority[1] licenses patents required for MPEG-4 Part 2 Visual from a wide range of companies (audio is licensed separately) and lists all of its licensors and licensees on the site. New licenses for MPEG-4 System patents are under development[2] and no new licenses are being offered while holders of its old MPEG-4 Systems license are still covered under the terms of that license for the patents listed (MPEG LA â" Patent List). AT&T is trying to sue companies such as Apple Inc. over alleged MPEG-4 patent infringement.[3] The terms of Apple's Quicktime 7 license for users[4] describes in paragraph 14 the terms under Apple's existing MPEG-4 System Patent Portfolio license from MPEGLA.[1]

      No, it's not.

    5. Re:Still using Flash by MasterOfMagic · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, but Theora and Dirac are. Theora is from the Xiph open source community (the same people that do cdparanoia, FLAC, Speex, and Vorbis). The FSF has recommended its use along with Vorbis audio for some time now. Dirac is from the BBC.

    6. Re:Still using Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're easy enough to convert...

      ffmpeg -i video.flv video.mpg

    7. Re:Still using Flash by aztracker1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, so dump a system that 98% of the people browsing the internet have support for, in favor of something people have to jump through hoops for?

      Given, I would like to see the inclusion of h.264 in Flash as a supported format for video. VC-1 would work as well (even if it is from MS). I wouldn't expect to see Theora or the like supported on YouTube any time soon, unless it is as widely available as flash is. Flash is a PITA on x64 Linux, I am well aware of this, however, from a business standpoint your suggestion makes no sense.

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    8. Re:Still using Flash by Talderas · · Score: 4, Funny

      However, seeing as though they will be showing MacGyver, Google will only have a paper clip, post-it notes, and 4 bullet casings to complete the objective.

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    9. Re:Still using Flash by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Are you going to pay the license fees for Firefox? It would be about 3-5Million! Perhaps you can get one of those cheap US loans..

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    10. Re:Still using Flash by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      The newly-released 0.9.2 even has a Lua scriptlet specifically designed to allow you to drop a YouTube URL directly into the playlist.

      How do you do this? I can open a Youtube URL manually by choosing Media-Open Network and then pasting the URL, but drag and dropping a URL into the playlist as you suggest doesn't seem to work (Firefox 3 and VLC 0.9.4 Windows, btw).

    11. Re:Still using Flash by KGIII · · Score: 0, Redundant

      And his knife.

      Odd that today, even after all those years, I tend to carry a Swiss Army knife with me though I typically lose mine with an alarming frequency.

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    12. Re:Still using Flash by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      For 320x240 FLVs to play smoothly, I have to throw a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo at the problem.

      "Real" formats play fine on my old 1.2GHz iBook G4 - even at higher resolutions.

      So, Flash is NOT a PITA on only the most recent systems, but only if you're not running Linux/x64.

    13. Re:Still using Flash by Merusdraconis · · Score: 1

      "And to that I say, it's a little bit hard to go to management and ask for the resources and time to implement a second parallel version of a service that already works splendidly well."

      This is Google we're talking about here. The most recent update to YouTube is a button that reads back your comment to you. The question is not "whether they can justify it to management", the question is "will anyone do it".

      Then again, that button is pretty awesome.

    14. Re:Still using Flash by should_be_linear · · Score: 1

      It would be better if Google supported Gnash and/or Swfdec projects or created own open source Google Flash player. Flash is open, well documented standard and having stable FOSS player would be great in many ways, including Android and AMD64 platforms, Firefox/Konqueror/Chrome stability/performance, YouTube user experience, ...

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    15. Re:Still using Flash by Underfoot · · Score: 1

      There are other reasons the majority of video websites are using Flash. A big one is scriptability, especially for these "long-form non-linear video clips" (i.e.: Broadcast content that has been repurposed for the web). With the scriptability of Flash, it is possible for the broadcast network to feed segment timings to the distribution point (in this case YouTube), and have the video player automatically pause to insert commercials where the breaks originally were in Broadcast. This allows for dynamic advertising and promos to be inserted into web content without the effort of re-transcoding every asset being distributed over the web.

      A flat video file won't provide that kind of functionality, and will be less attractive to the network brand that owns the content.

      That said... Now I can watch chefs cook a recipe while I cook a recipe: http://www.youtube.com/user/foodnetworktv?ob=4
      Supersweet.

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    16. Re:Still using Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there were some way to specify fallback content for a tag not every browser supports.

    17. Re:Still using Flash by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      With all the patent trolls, nobody knows whether those technologies are patent free either. From the Dirac FAQ.

      Do you infringe any patents?

      The short answer is that we don't know for certain, but we're pretty sure we don't.

      We haven't employed armies of lawyers to trawl through the tens of thousands of video compression techniques. That's not the way to invent a successful algorithm. Instead we've tried to use techniques of long standing in novel ways.

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    18. Re:Still using Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FLV format itself isn't slow as molasses. MPlayer plays them fine even on ancient computers. It's just the flash plug-in that's crap.

    19. Re:Still using Flash by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      True, true. But, most people don't have a codec for FLV, except in their Flash player.

    20. Re:Still using Flash by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      They did it for the iPhone, so that can't be the problem.

    21. Re:Still using Flash by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      How is this problem not solved by a playlist in the video tag?

    22. Re:Still using Flash by Underfoot · · Score: 1

      Four reasons -

      1.) Bugs - (i.e. those little "brand" icons that pop up in the corners of content). They usually fade in at a certain point, remain for a few seconds and fade out. This can be edited directly into the content, but again, the network brand would much prefer the ability to do this dynamically, as the content retains a greater value if it remains "non-bugged" in its native state (i.e. it is directly rebrandable without the need for an edit session, or a re-transcode).

      2.) Lower Thirds - (i.e. the bar that pops up at the bottom of broadcast content that usually contains a promo for something else on the network). Again, dynamic content is preferable to static. Having the ability to change a lower third promo text ("Watch blahdeblahblah tonight at 8:00!", "Watch blahdeblahblah Sunday at 8:00!", "Watch disanddat Premiering tonight!", "Sponsored by Big Business, 'Give them your money'"), without an edit session, and without a re-transcode is of enormous value.

      3.) Cleaner Cuts / Overlays - By inserting ads/promos/etc. into the playlist in a dynamic environment (rather than a static one) you have more control over the esthetic of the pre/post roll. i.e. - You have more options (creatively) on how one segment of content stops and another one starts. (Note: I'm not up to date on the current state of the video tag, does it have attributes to define wipes/fades/overlays?)

      4.) Browser vs. Plug-in - This one is going to get people angry, but I think it is true to some respect. By inserting the code into the browser, the control of the content is passed to the browser, and thus the user. This allows for browser plugins to skip the dynamic elements (advertising / promos / bugs / watermarks), and plugins to accomplish this would be in existence in short order. While it is feasible to do the same thing in flash (load one flash script within another that alters the functionality of the first), it would be much more difficult to do consistently - given the fluid nature of the scripting driving the flash player. Whether we like it or not, advertising is how broadcast content is monetized, broadcasters don't want to give up their source of income.

      Those are my thoughts. I welcome opinions.

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  2. As a non-american... by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Hulu sucks, since it won't stream outside the USA. No mention in the article as to whether YouTube will add regional restrictions on these full-length shows, but let's hope they can convince the studios otherwise. If not, well, bittorrent works just fine.

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    1. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anyone seriously want to watch full length TV shows in a tiny box in their browser in crumby YouTube quality?!

    2. Re:As a non-american... by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is region-locked the US also.

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    3. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes.

    4. Re:As a non-american... by kentrel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Youtube offer better-than-TV resolution. Check out their high-quality option, which you can view full screen.

    5. Re:As a non-american... by dosius · · Score: 4, Informative

      The videos are still encoded to 480x360 at the most. That's hardly "better than TV".

      -uso.

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    6. Re:As a non-american... by Tx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hate replying to my myself, but went to find one of these full-length Trek episodes, clicked on it: "This video is not available in your country". So much for that.

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    7. Re:As a non-american... by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Let us know when the BBC opens their content to the rest of the world.

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    8. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Youtube offer better-than-TV resolution. Check out their high-quality option, which you can view full screen.

      If you say so... I have yet to see a YouTube video encoded anywhere close to 768x576 (SDTV resolution), and resolution aside, they don't come close to broadcast quality from the encoding point of view either.

      In an era when people are interested in HDTV (1920x1080), making a big deal about a crappy sub-SDTV streaming service seems a bit nuts.

      (Note: I'm not one who believes in bothering with HDTV for most stuff - maybe nature programmes, etc, but certainly not worthwhile for anything with a story - but I do draw the line at watching significant amounts of YouTube quality TV).

    9. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, regionally restricted. I'd say US only. Waste of time for the majority of the planet.

    10. Re:As a non-american... by lufo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does anyone seriously want to watch full length TV shows in a tiny box in their browser in crumby YouTube quality?!

      What else can you do during your boss' lunch time?

    11. Re:As a non-american... by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't be so obtuse.

      If you haven't noticed the BBC isn't ad sponsored, it's UK license fee paid. How are they meant to cover the costs of international streaming? Youtube does streaming of their video internationally paid for by advertising with a well built back-end that can handle it.

      Comparing the BBC's iPlayer license fee paid service to the ad-sponsored Youtube is like comparing Apples and Oranges.

    12. Re:As a non-american... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Let us know when the BBC opens their content to the rest of the world.

      The BBC is funded by British taxpayers. Youtube is funded by the ads on the page.

      Anyway, 10 minutes of crappy small-screen video with the occasional buffering pause is about all I can handle. I'll stick to downloading AVI files and burning them to DVD for anything longer.

    13. Re:As a non-american... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      It is to watch the Simpsons. Seriously, do you need high quality for that ?

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    14. Re:As a non-american... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Which is why I watch YouTube on my TV. I installed a GreaseMonkey Script that will send the URL of a YouTube video to Xbox Media Center. After a little bit of caching, the movie plays.

    15. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is why I watch YouTube on my TV. I installed a GreaseMonkey Script that will send the URL of a YouTube video to Xbox Media Center. After a little bit of caching, the movie plays.

      So you get to watch it on your TV in crappy YouTube quality instead... great...

    16. Re:As a non-american... by Monkey-some · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was totally agreeing with until I saw my young niece watch some children serie through youtube without even bothering to put it full screen...not that she's technologically impaired but it's only that she was instant messaging around, browsing and "studying" in the meantime.

    17. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's a user-uploaded video, not studio supplied data. Just pointing it out, may not mean anything, but Youtube may encode those videos differently given the guarantee of a much higher quality source.

      It's simple logistics, the the video encoding they are currently doing ensures there is little/if any upscaling of user-uploaded videos that are for whatever ungodly reason in an unusual resolution.

    18. Re:As a non-american... by Bluecobra · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if us international folks could buy an online-only UK television license and be able to stream shows from BBC's website and Channel 4 On Demand. But until then, a UK shell account and a SOCKS proxy over a SSH tunnel would suffice for now.

    19. Re:As a non-american... by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1

      I bet there are a bajillion free web proxies in the US you could use to pretend to be from the US so you can watch some crappy TV show made in the US via an officially sanctioned method.

      There are two other solutions besides using a free web proxy in the US: download shows via bittorrent/p2p tools OR dont watch the crappy shows at all. I personally don't watch them even though I have access to the network on my own TV or could apparently view this on the web as I am in the US.

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    20. Re:As a non-american... by BenevolentP · · Score: 1

      They are quite watchable even on a 32 inch flat. I just watched 3 full mst3k episodes this weekend. No comparison to stage6 (RIP) of course. I wouldnt know why one would send an URL to xbmc, though. There are enough great scripts for viewing / browsing on the xbox itself (youtube2a, navi-x)

    21. Re:As a non-american... by Saint+Gerbil · · Score: 1

      They have added the regional restrictions on the content that the article states. A quick Search of "MacGyver CBS" shows quite a few 48+ minutes shows none of which will play for me in the UK.

    22. Re:As a non-american... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Because normally I don't go searching for videos on youtube. I already have youtube up and the TV on so I'll want to play what's in front of my on the TV.

    23. Re:As a non-american... by mschoolbus · · Score: 1

      "This video is not available in your country". So much for that.

      You aren't in the U.S., your username says Texas!

    24. Re:As a non-american... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2

      You lost your bet. I spent days searching for something like that.

      There are only some open proxies, and either they are incredibly horribly slow, or they cost money and still are very slow. And all of them require some invasive untrustworthy "client" to be installed for no reason. I bet most of them are just spyware and the modify your packets on-the-fly.

      My nearly perfect solution for series is, to create a proper search query trough btjunkie.org, and then add the resulting rss-feed to my mldonkey. Some additional scripting (post-filtering [eg duplicates], download priority setting and file renaming) and I'm done. Works like a charm for my shows. I come home and just look in "incoming" instead of turning on the tv. (I do not even have a tv anymore.)

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    25. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, it's region restricted

    26. Re:As a non-american... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Yes Squared. I watched the Canadian CBC-produced DaVinci's Inquest on youtube, and it looked just fine when blown-up to full screen size. About the same as over-the-air overly-compressed SDTV. ;-)

      The only drawback was the show was divided into ten-minute segments. I'm glad to see youtube will now allow 45-50 minute long episodes.

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    27. Re:As a non-american... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a high-quality option. You just get what you get.

      Analog television maxes-out at 480x486, so youtube would be about the same as analog if it had lots of macroblocking.

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    28. Re:As a non-american... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the studio systems are still locked into an ancient distribution system where they sell distribution rights based on country or region. The whole "internet" thing is still confusing to them.

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    29. Re:As a non-american... by DMalic · · Score: 1

      Given the atrocious nature of youtube HQ's video for the bandwidth it uses, I can't see them pushing out decent video unless they simply spam the tubes with endless bandwidth like Netflix's Instant Viewing does.

    30. Re:As a non-american... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      They're both fruit. Yes, you can compare them.

      As for the 'ad-based' being different, why? It still takes revenue to stream them, and sponsors in the US aren't going to be willing to sponsor the overseas traffic. So once again, the people who pay the bills (ad-watchers in the US, in this case) are the ones that get to the see the content, just like the BBC.

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    31. Re:As a non-american... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Or bittorrent.

      Youtube probably lacks the ability to market European-centric advertising. After all, what good is it to advertise "Buy a new car at Carrmaxx" if the viewer lives on the opposite side of the ocean?

      Plus as I stated elsewhere, these media companies would rather sell Europeans a DVD of "McGuyver" or sell these episodes on European reruns, rather than just give it away.

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    32. Re:As a non-american... by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      When they do, the entire world will get to discover that, contrary to the perception created by occasionally brilliant shows like The Office, 99% of BBC programming is complete shit.

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    33. Re:As a non-american... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Cartoons should be done in Motion-SVG.

    34. Re:As a non-american... by ozphx · · Score: 1

      You decided you didn't want colonial TV, and went off to go and make your own shitty shows. Unless you want to pay a hundred years of back taxes to the Queen, you can all bugger orf as twere.

      No backsies.

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    35. Re:As a non-american... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Okay BBC is supported by taxes (a tax by any other name, is still a tax).

      What about the commercial-supported European networks? They too block access to U.S. viewers.

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    36. Re:As a non-american... by Deag · · Score: 1

      This is false, outside of the UK, the BBC is ad supported and this includes their website, so the comparison is perfectly valid.

    37. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate replying to my myself, but went to find one of these full-length Trek episodes, clicked on it: "This video is not available in your country". So much for that.

      The scary thing is he lives in West Virginia.

    38. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go enjoy your countries wonderful culture and if it sucks so bad, why are you there?

    39. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not trolling, but I think the BBC should /charge/ for the service and it should be available world-wide. The UK TV licence fee (which is not part of our taxes) should go toward making new content. I can't get BBC DVDs for free, so why give the away content on-line? Ok, I know it's not the best analogy since they only show the last 10 days or so on-line but the principle holds: like the DVDs, it's a convenience service. If you don't want to pay for it use a PVR or even a VCR.

    40. Re:As a non-american... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Host a torrent and let us take care of the bandwidth.

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    41. Re:As a non-american... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The videos are still encoded to 480x360 at the most. That's hardly "better than TV".

      -uso.

      It's at a point where with most shows it really doesn't matter. It's not like TV was the lowest point you could possibly go to make out what's going on.

      This conversation is academic anyway. If YouTube is going to compete with Hulu AND with its users, chances are the quality will be higher than what they have right now. You're better off waiting-and-seeing than saying you don't like the numbers and never checking it out.

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    42. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is region-locked the US also.

      Proxy.

    43. Re:As a non-american... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I watch full-screen in youtube, but yes. Couldn't care less about the quality as long as I can see what's going on. If the resolution's too high the effects look stupider... radio drama has the best resolution.

      Does anyone seriously want to stand up, leave their computer and walk over to a TV in order to watch something? Why not have everything in one place? Why suffer moments of separation from the internet?

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    44. Re:As a non-american... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      BBC Radio is open the rest of the world.

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    45. Re:As a non-american... by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

      When they do, the entire world will get to discover that, contrary to the perception created by occasionally brilliant shows like The Office, 99% of BBC programming is complete shit.

      I enjoy(ed) Coupling, Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, and Torchwood (Eve FTW) so the percentage is more like 95%, which makes it somewhat better than American TV.

    46. Re:As a non-american... by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      I do this too. I use TVU, surfthechannel.com and the NBC/CBS online episodes and they look just fine in a little 640x480 section of my screen while I have a web browser and pidgin and whatever else I'm doing open on the rest of the screen(s). I wouldn't stream it out to a projector 100" wide, but it's perfect for what I do use it for.

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    47. Re:As a non-american... by dontthink · · Score: 1

      Have you tried CBS.com? Full-length versions of all the shows listed in the summary have been available on the CBS website for quite awhile - including original Trek. They've also got most of the original Twilight Zone series, which I've been working though myself. It could still be region-locked though - I'm in the US.

    48. Re:As a non-american... by schon · · Score: 1

      I just tried it, and every single episode I tried said "You have requested a video that has expired. Please visit www.cbs.com for current videos."

      So either their site is fscked, or they're displaying a generic error message for people outside the US (in which case, their site is fscked.)

    49. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for the 'ad-based' being different, why? It still takes revenue to stream them, and sponsors in the US aren't going to be willing to sponsor the overseas traffic. So once again, the people who pay the bills (ad-watchers in the US, in this case) are the ones that get to the see the content, just like the BBC.

      Yeah, I mean it's not like they sell coca-cola or nike outside of the US.
      Posting as a coward to preserve moderation.

    50. Re:As a non-american... by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your "nearly perfect" solution seems way more complicated than necessary but to each his own.

      As for my "bet" maybe you need to practice on google searching, I did a single search and found this

      http://www.freeproxy.info/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.htm

      The few I tried worked right off the bat.

      I suppose doing something like TOR might work too.. though you might not get a US proxy I suppose. Maybe their are config options? I've never even downloaded it or seen it in use.

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    51. Re:As a non-american... by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      I use Hulu to watch stuff on my lunch hour. But half the time it feels more like Real than Youtube.

      They claim that their contracts with the industry only allow 5 seconds of buffering. Nothing like a lawyer or a PHB to screw up something with such potential. It's so bad anymore I can't watch anything for more than a few minutes before it either starts stuttering badly or crashes the browser because the script in Flash stops.

      Yet another token effort by the industry so it claim that Internet video "doesn't work."

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    52. Re:As a non-american... by dontthink · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Just tried one here (from the US) and it stalled while loading - after a refresh it played ok. Didn't see the error message you got, so cbs.com also looks region-specific. Bummer.

    53. Re:As a non-american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      viewing on an iPhone (i don't own one, just a touch), on the commute to work, without using up a chunk of my 8gb? Yes please...

    54. Re:As a non-american... by vsilves · · Score: 1

      Not sure if the trick works here too, but I always thought that online region locking worked by analyzing the location of the subscriber's IP number until I had to watch a foreign video and changing the time zone in my clock settings to match the web site's country did the trick.

    55. Re:As a non-american... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Cartoons should be done in Motion-SVG.

      In theory, yes; but in practice all SVG viewers I've come across are so bloody slow it would result in a diashow. Besides, Flash can do vector graphics too, and in fact many shows are done with it to begin with nowadays.

      Besides, there are no good SVG editors. Inkscape is decent, but crashes easily when editing nodes and doesn't have animation support.

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    56. Re:As a non-american... by who's+got+my+nicknam · · Score: 1

      They have, naturally, blocked non-US access to the shows they put up on YouTube. Naturally, I will go on using bittorrent to watch the few American TV shows I still bother with. If any studio execs are watching this thread, here's something to think about: until you make it easy for me to watch your content 'legally', I will continue to 'steal' it, and since I don't live in the US, you can bite me. All this bullsh*t about region codes and locking out non-Americans is ridiculous, and only costs you guys money. Wake up already!

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    57. Re:As a non-american... by ThomsonsPier · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, there is no check on the BBC iPlayer for a television licence and one is not required to view or download programmes. The only restriction is that you must be in the UK, and that's not very difficult to spoof.

      I have no licence and enjoy a lot of stuff I wouldn't otherwise bother watching through iPlayer. I would be perfectly happy to pay a small fee per programme download rather than buy a licence.

    58. Re:As a non-american... by funkatron · · Score: 1

      Dear Youtube

      It appears that a member of your legal team has found their way into the server room and has damaged your service for viewers outside the United States. Might I suggest that you find the individual responsible and have them reassigned to a job role where they will not be able to cause further harm.

      Sincerely

      Funkatron

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    59. Re:As a non-american... by PunditGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean living here is actually good for something other than threatening to move to Canada? Sweet.

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    60. Re:As a non-american... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Besides, there are no good SVG editors. Inkscape is decent, but crashes easily when editing nodes and doesn't have animation support.

      So write one, make a million, and then give me the 25% you'll owe me :)

    61. Re:As a non-american... by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      I take this to mean the US streaming I availed myself of last month is no longer available. I only found two tv shows I was interested in and given that I only have time for two a week, I put a couple of american ones before them.

    62. Re:As a non-american... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you actually tried them? Outside the US?
      I doubt that.

      You see, I know most of them. They do not work.

      Just go on hulu.com and try watching a video. You can't.

      That was the point of having a proxy in this discussion. Point lost.

      "YOU'RE WINNER !"

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    63. Re:As a non-american... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      DaVinci's Inquest is available on DVD, btw.

    64. Re:As a non-american... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Not the latest episodes when Davinci was mayor. Those are only available from youtube, or from local reruns.

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    65. Re:As a non-american... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Well, I've never actually watched the show. I just looked it up on DVD a while ago after someone mentioned it when it started showing in the US. (I virtually never watch reruns since they're hacked up for more commercials.)

      I presume the later seasons will eventually show up on DVD?

    66. Re:As a non-american... by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      and resolution aside, they don't come close to broadcast quality from the encoding point of view either

      YouTube is leaps and bounds better quality video then what I used to see on the internet 10 years ago.

      Also, have you ever watched full-length episodes on Hulu or Comedy Central? The picture and sound is better then what I get on analog cable TV; except in high-motion scenes.

    67. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      The picture and sound is better then what I get on analog cable TV

      It isn't hard to beat analogue TV, but most people ditched analogue TV many years ago...

    68. Re:As a non-american... by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      It isn't hard to beat analogue TV, but most people ditched analogue TV many years ago

      I Subscribe to Comcast in San Francisco, and recently subscribed in Silicon Valley. In both areas, Comcast's uplink to Comedy Central and FX is analog; even though they transmit digital. The snow plays games with MPEG's compression; and they also comress (aka loudness wars) the sound.

      The difference is noticable when the high-def channels carry standard TV. For example, all of the broadcast stations have two channels. (FOX is 02 for SD, and 702 for HD.) When FOX shows the Simpsons, which is SD; 703 is MUCH better then 03, because 03's uplink is analog.

      Another example can be seen by comparing the DVD of The Shield to Comcast. Again, Comcast delivers a horrible picture and distorted sound. It's because their uplink is analog.

    69. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      In both areas, Comcast's uplink to Comedy Central and FX is analog

      Sounds like crazyness to me. Here in the UK everything is compressed at source. The DVB-T transmitters just redistribute MPEG2 streams and the cable uplinks are taken from DVB-S satellite streams (MPEG2 for SD, MPEG4 for HD). The old analogue transmitters are being turned off - the area I'm in will lose analogue next year and I'm certainly not complaining about that since I've been receiving TV over DVB-S for years (to be honest, I can't see a lot of point in terrestrial for non-portable receivers anyway...)

      Comcast delivers a horrible picture and distorted sound. It's because their uplink is analog.

      And you pay for this crap service? Sounds like you need to switch to a sane service to me...

    70. Re:As a non-american... by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      And you pay for this crap service? Sounds like you need to switch to a sane service to me...

      Comcast is a monopoly; it's the only cable TV provider in many areas.

      I've been tempted to switch to ATT U-Verse; however, that has its own issues. It's "not cable", thus it's not regulated. The converter boxes don't have firewire, so I can't record a program onto my computer. Furthermore, as it's "not cable", I have to use their converter box instead of a TV card or TIVO.

      The best approach, IMO, is to get a cable-compatible HTPC and slowly get more and more TV over the internet.

    71. Re:As a non-american... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Comcast is a monopoly; it's the only cable TV provider in many areas.

      No chance of free to air satellite TV then? I've got no idea what the satellite TV is like in the US, but in the UK a good deal of satellite channels are free to air so you just need a dish and a DVB-S receiver - this works well with my MythTV system. Of course, if you want subscription channels then you're stuck having to use BSkyB's own hardware (unless you use an illegal CAM to decrypt the channels you have paid for).

    72. Re:As a non-american... by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      No chance of free to air satellite TV then? I've got no idea what the satellite TV is like in the US, but in the UK a good deal of satellite channels are free to air so you just need a dish and a DVB-S receiver - this works well with my MythTV system. Of course, if you want subscription channels then you're stuck having to use BSkyB's own hardware (unless you use an illegal CAM to decrypt the channels you have paid for).

      In the US, it's really not possible to use a HTPC with satellite TV. As far as I know, there is no PC hardware that can handle it. Some people hack together setups that essentially plug a satellite receiver into a PC through the S-Video port; but I don't consider that a workable solution for HDTV.

      Basically, the only standards are for over-the-air TV and unencrypted cable television. As Comcast is the only game in town, it equates to a monopoly. Like I said, I'm just patiently waiting for stuff to move onto the internet.

  3. Hulu vs. The World by junglee_iitk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new services also put YouTube head to head with Hulu, competing directly for the full-length television show viewer. Hulu currently has more of this sort of content than does YouTube, but YouTube has the lionâ(TM)s share of the Web video audience. It is estimated that YouTube has 100 times the viewers that Hulu has.

    It might have to done something with the fact that Hulu's "video library can only be streamed within the United States".

    Some people go to great lengths to put their feet over an axe, just to see if it hurts or not.

  4. What Next? by nicknamenottaken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it is a smart idea to have star trek on youtube to compensate for the rest of the proposed garbage listed in the story. Hopefully the trend of 1 in 4 television shows on youtube not being garbage will continue.

    1. Re:What Next? by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a sec, you're calling MacGyver "garbage" on a nerd website?

    2. Re:What Next? by nicknamenottaken · · Score: 1

      ok ok maybe we can recycle MacGyver, but definately toss the others

    3. Re:What Next? by rhyder128k · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thank god. No more having to watch the old episodes through a hacked together cable decoder box that I made out of a paperclip, some tin foil and two bits of shoe lace.

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      Michael Reed, freelance tech writer.
    4. Re:What Next? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      We can do a lot more than just recycle MacGyver. However, we'll need paper clips, rubber bands, 1677216 "D" batteries and 512 rackmount servers.

    5. Re:What Next? by nicknamenottaken · · Score: 1

      how many RU's does each server take, need to calculate the rack space required

    6. Re:What Next? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      They're 1U.

  5. Where to find them? by gmthor · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know where to find those full length shows on Youtube?

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    1. Re:Where to find them? by Brannoch · · Score: 1

      CBS's playlist http://www.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=CBS

  6. Censorship Sucks. by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Californication is censored, both language and nudity-wise, on YouTube. Normally for most programs it wouldn't matter, but it was the raunchy stuff that really propelled the comedy along in this case. Either have the full-length shows uncensored (possibly with a warning for moral individuals), or GTFO.

  7. About damn time by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

    Several times I've found some interesting TV series and decided to watched a few episodes, only to have to endure the task of finding all the parts, which are never listed in any sort of order in the "Related videos" list for this type of use. And then there is the problem with the "QuickList" not clearing videos that you have removed from it, or occasionally not adding one, or forgetting some next time the page loads, forcing you to try and find the parts again.

  8. Full-length is ok... are they going to add ads ? by ACK!! · · Score: 1

    Lots of the other sites with full length shows interrupt the action in odd places to add in ads and the resume on the show is breaky and odd.

    Also Hulu is not the only competition for this service it seems especially for nostalgia really old shows that there are a couple of services offering this.

    I watched Chico and the Man on AOL video for example. I hit Barney Miller on Hulu I believe and aren't there other sites as well?

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  9. Region-locking is an abomination. by EWAdams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called the WORLD WIDE Web, assholes.

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    1. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean anyone lives in that wasteland beyond the US border?

    2. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So if they used a medium of delivery beyond HTTP, you'd be happy with it? Or would it just ruin your witty one-liner?

      Seriously, just because licensing agreements haven't yet caught up with the global nature of the Internet doesn't mean we should disparage the positive steps being made in the direction of having content available on the Internet AT ALL.

    3. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes this is the WWW, except that the American owners don't want non-americans looking at A-Team, McGuyver, et cetera. They want to sell those programs to Japanese stations for reruns, or on DVD directly to European citizens, and thereby maximize profit. If they gave this stuff for free via the web, they'd be killing their non-american market.

      Everything makes sense if you just follow the dollar to its source and assume the owner is greedy.

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    4. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by DMalic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know! It's not like they've had much time to prepare, what with ARPANET's unexpected arrival in 2001 and the advent of the web browser shortly after in 2005! Why, I just remember back in late '07 when AOL was in its prime and nobody thought broadband would ever come into play..

    5. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      ...don't want non-americans looking at A-Team, McGuyver...

      Can you imagine how destructive The Terrorists would be after watching just these two shows?!! I support this region-locking all the way! Make Those Terrorists pay for the DVDs if they want to learn our greatest guerrilla warfare tactics and improvised weapon-building methods!

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    6. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by funkatron · · Score: 1

      They don't want the money. They just think those shows are too embarrassing.

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    7. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by electrictroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ya know, it's only been three years since ABC first started putting television shows online. And it was only a "limited test" because they were afraid it would hurt their Nielsen Ratings for over-the-air television. They thought the internet might cause financial losses.

      We've come a long way since those dark days when networks were afraid of the internet.

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      The government is not your daddy. Its purpose is not to raid middle-class neighbors' wallets and give it to you.
    8. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by Lennie · · Score: 1

      "We've come a long way since those dark days when networks were afraid of the internet."

      Without the context this is a really strange statement as internet means interconnected networks.

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    9. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by DMalic · · Score: 1

      Hearing about how technically incompetent the networks are does not ingratiate me to their foibles. The crying and wailing about losses, stealing, and the need for DRM and longer copyright before precious content can be risked no longer appeals to me. They stuck a toe in the water after ceding the market to piracy for most of the net's existence. Now I hear actual talk of swimming, but they're still too scared to go for it. Forgive me if I'm not excited.

    10. Re:Region-locking is an abomination. by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      i like the cut of your jib there, buddy. sign me up.

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  10. What's the encoding going to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I mean, having the full-length video available is fine in theory, but watching two large pixels have a buzz-saw competition instead of a dialog isn't really all that interesting.

  11. CBS only? by themightythor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The shows and their original networks:

    Star Trek: NBC
    MacGyver: ABC
    BH 90210: Fox
    Y & R: CBS

    I guess I don't understand how these things work...

    1. Re:CBS only? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Star Trek: Paramount
      MacGyver: Paramount
      DH 90210: Paramount
      Y & R: CBS

      Paramount is now known as CBS Corporation. The Wiki has more info. Just because a show airs on one station doesn't mean that station owns the rights to that show. Although it does look like Paramount/CBS has had a change of heart: In February 2007, Viacom sent upwards of 100,000 DMCA takedown notices to the video-sharing site YouTube, alleging large-scale copyright infringement. Of the 100,000, approximately 60â"70 non-infringing videos were erroneously removed under the auspices of copyright infringement.[3]

      On March 13, 2007, Viacom filed a US$1 billion lawsuit against Google and YouTube alleging massive copyright infringement, alleging that users frequently uploaded copyrighted material to YouTubeâ"enough to cause a hit in revenue for Viacom and a gain in advertisement revenue for YouTube.[4]

      The complaint contends that almost 160,000 unauthorized clips of Viacomâ(TM)s programming have been available on YouTube and that these clips had collectively been viewed more than 1.5 billion times.

    2. Re:CBS only? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Bah. Paramount is owned by what was Viacom and Viacom is now known as the CBS Corporation.

    3. Re:CBS only? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      Who owns the rights to a television show has little to do with who aired it originally. The "CBS" in question here is the distribution arm of CBS Paramount. In Star Trek's case, CBS handles both Desilu (old Trek) and Paramount (new Trek). I'm pretty sure MacGuyver was also Paramount. I'm guessing if 90210 is listed, they handle distribution for Spelling. I have no idea who produces Y&R but I'd wager it's a production company wholly owned by CBS. Older production companies have merged to the point that many are under a network's umbrella now but the new ownerships don't line up very much with the network on which the show was originally aired.

    4. Re:CBS only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah. Paramount is owned by what was Viacom and Viacom is now known as the CBS Corporation.

      Soon to be known as The Corporation.

  12. Please no by hcdejong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With short clips the YouTube UI is bad enough. For full-length TV shows I want:
    - a UI that can be controlled from arbitrary input devices, e.g. an IR remote and rotary controller (Griffin Powermate). Sitting at your computer doesn't cut it, I want control from my comfy chair.
    - a full-featured UI with controls for skip forward/reverse (at short/long intervals), aspect ratio, mute, etc.
    Basically, I want the VLC UI.

    1. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Divx player used on the old Stage 6 website was the best and still is the best I have found. Had to download the player for it run in browser, but it was fully featured and high quality. The site shut down during the time it was starting to get better known.

      stage6.divx.com

    2. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend you watch your YouTube clips in VLC, then. Works perfectly and satisfies all those requirements. :)

    3. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you want a toilet built into your comfy chair too ....

      Just because you watch TV, doesn't mean you have to be lazy as well.

    4. Re:Please no by orasio · · Score: 1

      I like watching youtube on my Wii.
      I would like a real fullscreen mode, but I am almost happy with it.

    5. Re:Please no by dontthink · · Score: 1

      I use PlayOn and my PS3 to stream all the shows listed in the summary (including some other good ones - Twilight Zone and Twin Peaks...) from CBS.com to my TV. The wireless PS3 remote works fine for me, and I know there are other remotes available. The UI works pretty well also - it's the same UI used for DVD/Bluray playback on the PS3. Not sure what the resolution CBS streams those videos at, but they are definitely watchable on my 1080p TV...

      PlayOn can also stream from YouTube, but it seems kind of clumsy and I haven't messed around with it much. The interface for the CBS shows is pretty slick though.

    6. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So play the YouTube videos from VLC. Someone above mentioned the latest version (0.9.2) even includes support for adding YouTube URLs to the playlist directly.

    7. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, I want the VLC UI.

      Did you know that you can use any player that supports flv (any recent ffmpeg based player will do) to play videos from youtube (downloaded or streamed)?

      I mean, you do realize that flv is just a container format for mpeg or H.264 and that there's nothing stopping you from using VLC or mplayer or whatever media player that supports it... Right?

      a UI that can be controlled from arbitrary input devices, e.g. an IR remote and rotary controller (Griffin Powermate).

      That's great that you bought a nice piece of hardware, but it's called tough love and "do it yourself". Hey, I'd love it if I could interface my toaster with VLC so I can use the setting knob on my toaster to fast forward, but I don't expect youtube to solve the problem that I burn my toast everytime there's a boring 10 minutes I want to skip.

      Sitting at your computer doesn't cut it, I want control from my comfy chair.

      While you're cursing on slashdot how inconsiderate youtube is that you have to hack a little to make life easier for yourself, I will be enjoying my trek episodes with a nice snack using my 10 year old hauppage IR remote, from my couch, on my widescreen TV.

      Feels good man

  13. Country based DRM ... without modchips by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

    "This video is not available in your territory". Great, locality-based DRM.

    BTW, what's with the !jewtube tag ?

  14. This why the white space wireless is a big deal by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Cable providers realize that if free or very low cost wireless becomes a reality and widespread more content providers will move to web distribution; using either commercial or subscription models. That will lessen the value of their cable franchise as consumers no longer want or need large bundles; forcing them to change their pricing structure to compete. As a side "benefit" they potentially will lose the internet and VIOP business as well as people move to the wireless option. Meanwhile, the big content providers will want a bigger cut for providing content since they already can reach consumers directly via the web; lessening their dependence on cable.

    The real challenge will be for the marginal channels - the ones that get carried but have small viewership - can they translate that into a profitable web based service if cable loses enough customers so the cable revenue no longer can sustain their production costs?

    OTOH, sports fan will get a bonanza since it now becomes easy and lucrative to broadcast all of your teams games anywhere since you would potential have a big enough subscriber base to make it worthwhile to stream via YouTube- a boon to big time college sports with world wide fan bases.

    Make no mistake, this is the most serious threat cable has faced in a long time. Which is why they are playing white space wireless up as a "technical" threat - they want the government to squash this before it has a chance to take off.

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    1. Re:This why the white space wireless is a big deal by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      White-space devices won't hurt just Cable companies but also over-the-air viewers, because the WSDs have been demonstrated to not detect "weak" stations from long-distance locations (50-60 miles away).

      As a result, the WSDs broadcast directly over top of existing programming. That is not acceptable. Over-the-air viewers have already given-up channels 52 to 83. Why can't WSDs use *that* spectrum and leave channels 2-51 alone???

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    2. Re:This why the white space wireless is a big deal by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      You had me until the "college sports with world wide fan bases". I seriously hope our dear friends in the US of A don't think the rest of the world cares about OSU vs. LSU football, much less baseball, which admittedly have a huge domestic fan base.

    3. Re:This why the white space wireless is a big deal by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You had me until the "college sports with world wide fan bases". I seriously hope our dear friends in the US of A don't think the rest of the world cares about OSU vs. LSU football, much less baseball, which admittedly have a huge domestic fan base.

      Actually, I was referring to the worldwide alumni base of just such universities - including expats, US military, and others who attended such schools and now live abroad.

      I realize most non-Americans care as much about US college football as Americans care about soccer; but there are bases of support for each of those sports outside of their traditional markets. I even know a few non-Americans who are big football (our football, not the round ball version) fans.

      My main point, however is that they'd now have a way to reach that audience in a targeted fashion as part of a wider base; rather than as it's own small set.

      tOSU streams an audio play by play already; video is not that much of a stretch once the legal issues are ironed out and if an existing licensee can do the streaming in a profitable manner they will.

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  15. Is this the end of reruns? by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously. One of the things I hate about watching TV is the fact that you have to depend on a station to carry a show, and play it, all of it. It's fine when it hits the rerun zone, but there is no real assurance they will play it totally and in the intended order. So, much of my 20th century TV watching was watching the repeats waiting for what I didn't see to come around.

    The first stuff I started to see was on AOL's in2tv. They screwed up Rocky and Bullwinkle, one of "those" series where order and completeness matters, not so much that they don't carry a season but they broke up their "show" into their various little shows. Now we have Veoh and Hulu, and the quality of both is pretty good.

    So it makes me wonder, now that these things exist, sites that carry series that have little to no commercial value, what point is there to 100+ channels? Seriously it's reached the point that I should actually ditch the cable since all of my TV needs save the local news are covered online. Even cartoon network.

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    1. Re:Is this the end of reruns? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      So it makes me wonder, now that these things exist, sites that carry series that have little to no commercial value, what point is there to 100+ channels?

      Merchandising, of course!

    2. Re:Is this the end of reruns? by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>> "now that these things exist, sites that carry series that have little to no commercial value, what point is there to 100+ channels?"

      Ding, ding, ding! This is precisely why Comcast has implemented that 15-minute "bandwidth hog" window. They want to slowdown video streams from sites like nbc.com, fox.com, cwtv.com, et cetera. They call it bandwidth management, but it's really about blocking high bitrate television watching.

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  16. Re:Jewtube? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cartman has taken over slashdot.

  17. Key word missing? by BigBadBus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the word "legally" is missing in the write-up. Episodes of some TV shows have been available for quite a while now; I watched an episode of Star Trek Voyager I had missed on YouTube many months ago.

  18. A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent inside by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes. I hear there's a country with about 300 million inhabitants there.

  19. Clowns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of that counts unless they have F Troop.

  20. Great idea by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    One of the biggest mistakes that large copyright holders make is hording their older assets. If they've made a heck of a lot of money on them, why not release them into a mostly free venue, so that they can scoop in more potential customers? It's worked for Microsoft; they turned piracy into a way to keeping people focused on Windows and Windows-based products.

  21. Re:just what we needed, just in time, virotic re-r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People pray to your man all the time and He doesn't do a thing. It's a sad spectacle indeed.

  22. Youtube is old, dying, and about to copy Vimeo by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Vimeo at least does true HD video. Makes a huge difference when I'm using a 32" LCD for a computer monitor.

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  23. OK, WTF by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    WTF is wrong with Hulu, Fox, YouTube and the likes? Why obstinately limit themselves to the American market when it comes to online broadcasting? Why fight over the same fucking market when the European market (or as a matter of fact any other) is still waiting for a single decent offer. Why the hell won't they understand that the web can be treated like TV, if only they took the pain to provide the same kind of content! I mean, it's like they just don't see any potential there, or the little they see isn't enough for them to bother with foreign Web markets.

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    1. Re:OK, WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, the US is the country which voted GWBush in office *twice.* There's a lot of silly people on this side of the pond.

    2. Re:OK, WTF by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      WTF is wrong with Hulu, Fox, YouTube and the likes? Why obstinately limit themselves to the American market when it comes to online broadcasting?

      Because internet transit bandwidth costs money, and international transit bandwidth costs more money than US-only bandwidth?

    3. Re:OK, WTF by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because that's the answer and excuse to anything.

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    4. Re:OK, WTF by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      I eagerly await how you're going to explain how regular video sites like YouTube or Google Video don't care about that sort of excuse. No seriously, that was a poor explanation.

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    5. Re:OK, WTF by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      Full 1920x1808 HD video requires >10x the bandwidth of YouTube-quality video per stream. And none of the mentioned HD sites has financial the infrastructure resources (private peering), of Google, Inc. Does that explain it enough for ya?

  24. Why no 90210 love? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But the 90210 characters were so compelling! There was that handsome dude with the sideburns, and that other handsome dude with the slightly pointier sideburns, and that ditsy blond chic, and that other ditsy blond chick.

    How could you not love a show with rich, beautiful people whining about how tough their lives are?

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    1. Re:Why no 90210 love? by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's the most concise and accurate review of a television show I've ever read. Well done.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Why no 90210 love? by nicknamenottaken · · Score: 1

      I agree entirely, I think we all need to watch 90210 just to get an understanding of how life is really meant to be!

    3. Re:Why no 90210 love? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "Steve's Rave" and the recurring theme that if you do drugs, you'll set fire to your house or car, maiming or killing your loved ones.

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  25. I don't think that's the point here... by g253 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may be right that Youtube's is still inferior to Tv's resolution, although I find it good enough for watching on the computer or on an ordinary 5 years old TV... And it's even better than a worn-out VHS ;)

    But that's not the point here : the important thing is that they're streaming full episodes, legally, on youtube. That's a change in policy, it sets a good precedent, and it could even help to make the average consumer think about so-called piracy ("why can't I download it off mininova if I can watch it on youtube?").
    So while the low res might make it less appealing to the average nerd, it's still a Good Thing. (although the region locking is rubbish)

    1. Re:I don't think that's the point here... by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      It also makes me wonder about whether the "attempt to download .avi" checkbox will be worth anything. Will there be greater restrictions to prevent ripping the video off of Youtube as there are with the network sites?

  26. Are all these deals going to be the same? by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    So, in the past couple of months we've seen several folks come out and support free streaming of TV shows and movies, most notably IMDB and now Youtube. What I am noticing is that none of it appears to be exclusive streaming -- most of these shows have been licensed to just about everybody. I guess from the network technology perspective, this is a good thing, so as to avoid a popular server from slashdotting one particular site. But from a competition perspective, is this really a good thing? I mean, if everybody's got the same stuff, then where's the incentive to develop a particular site over another?

  27. Re:A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent insi by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You shouldn't have told us that. Now we'll have to invade.

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  28. US-ONLY! :( by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, this means I won't have to pirate the videos to watch my favorite shows?

    Think again.

    "This video is not available in your country."

    Oh well, at least I know a site that DOES let me play the videos in my country - and without ads.

  29. Re:A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent insi by ozphx · · Score: 1

    But we don't have any oil!

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  30. What about........ by Ieatsyou · · Score: 1

    www.fancast.com ? Thats the site I use. Sure there are commercials, but no more than if you watched the show on your T.V. And the commercials aren't much longer than a few seconds. Okay, so does this mean we can download these T.V. shows that are on youtube with www.file2hd.com ?

    1. Re:What about........ by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      Fancast = Comcast. End of debate. Thank you for playing.

  31. Oh, c'mon! by EWAdams · · Score: 1

    Nobody in Europe is crass enough to watch, and certainly not stupid enough to pay for, the A-Team. They might as well give it away; it has no value on this continent.

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  32. Sorry, I'm American- is UK in europe? by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    I thought the UK was part of europe-- but I'm not too sure.. if I'm right, I'd point out the following
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Team-1-Stanley-Ellis/dp/B0002VF6BU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1223907585&sr=1-2
    Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 2,348 in DVD

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  33. Proxies! by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    Hate replying to my myself, but went to find one of these full-length Trek episodes, clicked on it: "This video is not available in your country". So much for that.

    How hard is it to get a US proxy?

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  34. How they do the ads will be the major issue by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    So the big question, as far as I can see, is whether the show will be merely supported by ads, perhaps pre- and post-, or if it will be interrupted by non-skippable ads, which will be a thorough dealbreaker.

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  35. Re:A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent insi by megamerican · · Score: 1

    But we don't have any oil!

    There's plenty of oil, but there is a lot more profit in scarcity.

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  36. Greed is an abomination. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everything makes sense if you just follow the dollar to its source and assume the owner is greedy."

    Is the person who wants it for free any less greedy than the one who wants to sell it to them?

    1. Re:Greed is an abomination. by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>>Is the person who wants it for free any less greedy than the one who wants to sell it to them?

      Nope. :-) But it's justifiable if you say, "Well it was paid by the corporations via ads."

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  37. Tell us more about your knobby knob! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With short clips the YouTube UI is bad enough. For full-length TV shows I want:
    - a UI that can be controlled from arbitrary input devices, e.g. an IR remote and rotary controller (Griffin Powermate). Sitting at your computer doesn't cut it, I want control from my comfy chair.
    - a full-featured UI with controls for skip forward/reverse (at short/long intervals), aspect ratio, mute, etc.
    Basically, I want the VLC UI.

    You've got the powermate working with VLC? What distro are you running? Did you get powermate support straight from the packaging system, or did you have to compile or configure? Are you using gizmod or the other way?

    1. Re:Tell us more about your knobby knob! by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I'm using the PowerMate on a Windows system. I've no idea how to get it to work with Linux.

    2. Re:Tell us more about your knobby knob! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, well, thanks for replying!

      It used to work out-of-the-box on Ubuntu but does not work in the current LTS (long term support) release.

      I've gotten it working on several distros using gizmod, but it's not really trivial to set up and maintain.

  38. Minisodes too. by antdude · · Score: 1

    There are a few old TV shows' episodes that are shorted to like 5-6 minutes long on MySpace and YouTube.

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  39. Re:more crap by philspear · · Score: 1

    That's not trolling. 90210 people! If that's not crap, then nothing is crap!

  40. Notice the fire-sale price? by EWAdams · · Score: 1

    Clearly some buffoon at Amazon imported a whole lot of them and now they're trying to get rid of them. Yet another example of financial incompetence that's dragging the world economy down.

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    1. Re:Notice the fire-sale price? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Zavvi nee Virgin and HMV stock '80s US shows by the barrel-load also. They seem to be selling.

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    2. Re:Notice the fire-sale price? by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      The UK citizens have ranked A-Team Season 1* with 5-star ratings across the board. And as the previous poster stated, it's very high in sales. Amazon is making-out just fine.

      *

      * We call them "seasons". A "series" is the entire thing from episode 1 to the finale. There was only *1* A-Team series, not 5.

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  41. Re:A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent insi by ozphx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well theres plenty of scarcity over here. Theres practically no oil in my backyard at all! With such a rich lack of resources, I'm happy to share the scarcity with you.

    You can come around tommorow if you like, bring a big oil tanker. I'll pump the oil out and you can have a whole damn tanker of scarcity! No charge!

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  42. Yeah because of the huge market by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    After all, tons of non-americans grew up with these shows. They'll buy it in droves!

    In reality, we should be giving these away to other countries to attract them, and they will be more likely to want other american shows and movies based on past favorites, which are regularly re-made and re-released anyway so that they can charge americans for it over again as well.

  43. Just use TOR by kypper · · Score: 1

    Download Vidalia and View the Network. Select half a dozen US relay nodes and jot them down. Edit the configuration file 'torrc' and add the following:
    ExitNodes server1, server2, server3
    StrictExitNodes 1

    (where server1 is the first relay node, etc)

    Reboot TOR and surf as a defacto US citizen.

  44. As an American? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is wrong with the Europeans creativity, they seem to leech more than produce in the creative market for movies/t.v. shows. Britain is the only one who seem to produce quality material, although a lot of it is government subsidized.

    Japanese have a firm grip on the game shows and giant tread mills.

  45. The end of the creative era? by fugue · · Score: 1

    I realise that YouTube has had fragments of professional shows forever, but what I saw as the greatness of YouTube was the fact that it encouraged user content. More and more we are moving away from a creative society, turning into one in which, while creators are celebrated if they are popular enough, it is expected that most people are mere parasites. I'm not sure what effect adding major TV productions to YouTube will have, but I have a hard time imagining that it will not put a damper on the "You" in YouTube.

    OTOH it might have the opposite effect. Time will tell.

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  46. Nice and convenient by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

    that just whoops ass. I might go watch all the old MacGuyver episodes one day, without having to fill my hard drive full of stuff.

    Now if I can only get my mom to get internet at her house again (all the kids moved out), she can watch her favorite soap opera without having to deal with VCR tapes.

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  48. What a comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comparing Apples and Oranges ?

  49. Re:A closed curve on a sphere has no inherent insi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean liberate, right?