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RIAA Wants Its $222,000 Verdict Back

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA, unhappy with the Court's decision setting aside its $222,000 jury verdict over $23.76 worth of song files, and throwing out the legal theory on which it was based, has made a motion for permission to file an appeal from the Judge's order, in Capitol v. Thomas. Normally, only final judgments are appealable, and appeals are not permissible in federal court from 'interlocutory' orders of that nature."

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  1. I love this excerpt: by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The parties agree that the only evidence of actual dissemination of
    copyrighted works was that Plaintiffs' agent, MediaSentry, copied songs.
    Plaintiffs argue that even if distribution requires an actual transfer, the trial
    evidence established transfers of copyrighted works to MediaSentry. Thomas
    retorts that dissemination to an investigator acting as an agent for the copyright
    owner cannot constitute infringement.

    "It is well–established that the lawful owner of a copyright cannot infringe
    its own copyright."

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  2. Hail Mary by overshoot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Interlocutory appeals are indeed rarely granted; IIRC it's usually when the rest of the case hinges on a point of law and there will be a boatload of work down the drain if the case goes down the wrong track. In this case, the Plaintiffs are going to try to convince the Court that it made an error of discretion in deciding that they (plaintiffs) had played fast and loose with their pleadings.

    Run that by again: they're going to persuade the Court that the Court was not only wrong, but waaaay wrong (abuse of discretion) when the Court decided it had made an error by trusting them.

    Boggle.

    And what's at stake? A retrial, with most of the motion practice and pretrial preparation already complete. Somehow I don't see the Court agreeing that this is so profound and urgent that it can't wait for the trial to be decided on its merits and a final judgment rendered.

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  3. The real reason they're doing this by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This has nothing to do with expecting to win, and everything to do with attempting to run up the defendant's legal bills.

    A successful motion response to a similarly silly motion (at least in the State of New Hampshire), was the following letter:
    Honorable Justice ____:

    Plaintiff has got to be kidding.

    Respectfully submitted,
    ________ ________, Esq

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  4. Worried about Precedents on Punishments? by arthurh3535 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the only thing that I can see them really being worried about. Of course, if word got out that they would only charge you 2X or 4X the "real" worth of the purloined materials for non-business transgressions, their whole new business model probably implodes.

    But they would have to admit that they are using corporate-punishments on non-corporate people.

    Somehow, I think that is their worst fear.

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  5. Re:Don't see much wrong by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many juries do we need?

    If you can afford them, keep running through juries till you get one that gives you the answer you want.

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  6. Re:It's not about the money by SL+Baur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure this is up there yet.

    They are definitely working on it. Read the deposition NYCL gave their "Expert" witness. http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/03/deposition-of-riaas-expert-available.html

    It's long, but it's awesome. I'm a programmer, not a lawyer, but after reading that deposition and all the stuff about "MediaDefender" I wonder why the RIAA has gotten as far as it has. If I were a judge my reaction to an RIAA lawsuit landing in my court would be more along the lines of uncontrolled laughter than anything else. I suppose that's why I'm a programmer, not a lawyer.

    Their methods are unsound and sooner or later those RIAA lawyers are going to get Jack Thompsoned.

  7. This is the end, beautiful friend? by LandruBek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their methods are unsound . . .

    RAY BECKERMAN: Everything I saw told me that the RIAA has gone insane. The place was full of bodies: Napster, Limewire, young children, innocent grandmothers. If I was still alive, it was because they wanted me that way.

    RIAA: Where are you from, Beckerman?

    RB: New York, sir.

    RIAA: I worked in New York back in the old days; we pressed vinyl there. It was like heaven on earth then. Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms - from the opinions of others, even the opinions of your 'clients'? You say why..., Beckerman, why you wanted to terminate my control of the music industry? What did they tell you?

    RB: They told me that you had gone totally insane and that your methods were unsound.

    RIAA: Are my methods unsound?

    RB: I don't see any method at all, sir.

    RIAA: I never expected anyone like you. Are you a pirate?

    RB: I'm a lawyer.

    RIAA: You're neither. You're a monkey wrench, wrecking the beautiful engine of my protection racket.

    (brief court recess)

    RIAA: We are the hollow men / We are the stuffed men
    Leaning together / Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
    Our dried voices, when / We whisper together
    Are quiet and meaningless
    As wind in dry grass / Or rats' feet over broken glass
    In our dry cellar / Shape without form, shade without colour,
    Paralysed force, gesture without motion

    I've seen horrors . . . extortion that you've seen. But you have no right to call me musical. You have a right to depose me. You have a right to do that . . . But you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for music to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what extortion means. Extortion. Extortion has a face . . . And you must make a friend of extortion. Extortion and financial terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies.

    RB: They were going to make me a Digg Hero for this and I wasn't subscribed to their fucking RSS feed any more. Everybody wanted me to do it, everybody except those on the take of course. I felt like they were sitting there, dreading for me to take the gravy train away. They just apparently wanted to go out like douchebags, like poor, wasted, rag-assed dinosaurs. Even the musicians wanted them dead, not that they really took their orders from musicians anyway.

    (The gavel falls.)

    RIAA: The Extortion! The Extortion!

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