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Why the Kill Switch Makes Sense For Android

Technologizer writes "It came out this week that Google's Android phone OS, like the iPhone, has a kill switch that lets Android Market applications be disabled remotely. But it's a mistake to lump Google's implementation and Apple's together — the Google version is a smart, pro-consumer move that avoids all the things that make Apple's version a bad idea."

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  1. Precautionary measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For the new era of Malware that will soon find their way onto these phones.

  2. Why? by bdsesq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why does one have to be good and the other bad?
    Perhaps the kill switches are there for the same reason.

    1. Re: Why? by Zadaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wouldn't any good malware disable the kill switch? It shouldn't be that hard. It's open source, after all.

      I agree with many of the others who say that a kill switch is a kill switch is a kill switch.

      My nuclear bomb is good and wholesome and protects the fine people of my nation.

      Your nuclear bomb is an irresponsible menace to the world and will be held as a threat over the freedom of billions!

      Ah weekends.

    2. Re: Why? by dhasenan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the way in which the FCC will handle that is by fining the manufacturers of the GSM chip. If software can do such things to the network, you're dealing with a software radio, which has much different requirements for certification and distribution than a hardware radio.

    3. Re: Why? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, let me get this straight. Google's kill switch is only for Google's app store, so Google is only going to use it to kill malware. Apple's kill switch is only for Apple's app store, so they're probably going to use it for nefarious purposes?

      Face it, both are probably there for exactly the same reason: cellular carriers are famously protective of their networks and they probably wouldn't agree to let one of these devices on the network unless it had this capability.

      Why exactly does everyone think Google can only kill apps from it's own store? Because the terms of service clause only (technically) covers those? So since Apple doesn't mention their kill switch in their terms of service at all, that means they won't ever use it, right?

      Here's the referenced paragraph that TFA uses to back up the claim that Google can't delete any apps but the one's from it's app store:

      (As far as I can tell, Google's power to revoke apps off your phone only applies to stuff in the App Market. The much-vaunted "kill switch" comes from the Android Market terms of service, so if the developer is outside the Android Market, it probably doesn't apply.)

      Yeah right. As far as he can tell, probably... by noting which terms of service the phrase is in and making unfounded assumptions.

      Face it. They're both exactly the same thing, they're probably both in place for exactly the same reason, and, if anything, Google's is more likely to get used. Why? Apple reviews app store submissions for obvious nefariousness. Google can't review random apps people download from the Internet. So Apple's kill switch is for apps that manage to sneak by their review process (note that they did NOT use the kill switch on that tethering app), while Google may have to kill a bunch of malicious apps.

  3. from what I can see, Apple's is better by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple has not killed any apps remotely, even the one that violated AT&T's terms of service. They just stopped more people from buying them.

    Android explicitly reserves the right to delete apps you already bought.

    So I can't see how Google's is more pro-consumer.

    I do agree Apple's random barring of apps from the store is annoying and counterproductive.

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    1. Re:from what I can see, Apple's is better by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For any application A, Apple can prevent you from running A by not letting it be sold on iAppz. If you buy app A from gAppz, Google can delete it, but they can't prevent you from running it altogether since you can download it from my-gAppz.author-of-A.org.

      Ok, lets say I pay $3 for a NES emulator for Android, Nintendo contacts Google and tells them they need to remotely disable it, so they do. The company that produced the emulator ends up bankrupt and so Google can't collect any money to give back to you. You just lost $3. In the Apple way (so far), you pay $3 for the NES emulator, Apple stops it from being on the app-store, but you still have on your iPhone.

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    2. Re:from what I can see, Apple's is better by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to the article, Google will refund your money if they use the kill switch. Apple has been mum about what will happen if they use the kill switch.

      The Tetris folks are going after iPhone apps that bear a resemblance to Tetris. If I developed a Tetris-like app for the iPhone and Tetris complains, Apple shuts it down and that's it. Apple is not going to fight for some little developer.

      In the Google marketplace, Google can shut me down but I can still sell the application on my own. If Tetris wants to shut me down, they can take me to court and we have a judge on the public payroll who will decide these things.

  4. I don't agree by Clarious · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I do not think that a kill switch is good for anything -- regardless of whether or not it is only for official-market-regulated products.

    People see kill switch as bad because it violates the freedom to install anything on their phone. It is right in Apple case, because Apple's App Store is the only source for app on iPhone. But it is different in Google case, as you can install programs from another sources other than Google one. So if you want some app, just find a source for it. Google kill switch only work for app that come from Googles App store, and that will make sure Google don't spread malware or anything bad. Have you ever thought of upgrading windows and then your computer is infested with malware and bugs? Well, there are bugs, but not not malware.

    1. Re:I don't agree by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, suddenly, for whatever reason, white knight or bad mood, your app from google gets killed. It might be able to take other stuff with it. Even if it doesn't, it should be my right, and only my right by consent (explicit opt-in) for google to kill MY apps. MY apps also contain MY data, and I own that, too. Should they do this under the laws of any number of states (and likely other jurisdictions), they could be both ciminially and civily prosecuted.

      Apple's 'jail' is bad enough. Only users should have the triggers on their own equipment. That's why Psystar will hopefully win, too. I fully realize that warranties and support are null and void by breaking 'jail', and have no problem with that. If I want to mod my xbox, ps*, etc., that's my business. Those that hide behind the criminal DCMA legislation that inhibits alteration are the enemies of hackers everywhere. Pigs, all.

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    2. Re:I don't agree by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We would tend to disagree.

      This is an ostensible open source device. The GPL arguments apply here. Apps could be closed source and covered by other theories of use.

      But I've paid for them, and have use of the apps, and certainly own my data. You believe in the altruism that if one of the apps on the phone goes berserk then the network should be protected. I say: partition the device and leave it to the user to have the device returned to a 'friendly' state should that need to happen to accommodate the overall operability of the network.

      Otherwise, the operator has essentially whimsical lordship over your device and your selection of components that you want to use. I don't want to hand over to google, or to T-Mobile (or any other carrier) the right to kill my device whimsically. Or any other *government*. You open a Pandora's Box by letting them do this under the cover of potentially rogue application determination and subsequent 'kill'.

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    3. Re:I don't agree by ivan256 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah, you were being pedantic, and playing to the audience, and got your mod points. But you were also distracting yourself and others from the point. The point being that the only Android phone out on the market right now is limits your ability to install applications in exactly the same way that the iPhone does.

      Fat lot of good that source code will do you...

    4. Re:I don't agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Remember... The iPhone OS is open source too.

      Here's where you can download the source to Android's OS

      Can you please point me to where you can download the source to the iPhone's OS? (not Darwin, but specifically the iPhone's OS)

      Oh - that's right! You can't.

      Uh. That's not the source to Android. That's the source to Linux and Webkit. Let me know when the Dalvik VM and all the runtime implementation libraries are open sourced.

      Until then, Android/Linux is not really more "open source" than iPhone/Darwin. All the interesting bits are locked up.

  5. Simply stated, no by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The fact is that Android is simply a free smart phone OS and SDK controlled by google. What will and will not happen on android, and the phones developed by it, will ultimate be controlled by google and the phone company. The presence of a kill switch strongly suggests that google is going to pull a bait and switch. The allegations that to get a unlock code for the G1 in the US is going to require the payment of three months of service and then a termination fee indicates that Google is giving wide latitude to the cell companies to screw companies. At least Apple is honest and upfront, and asked you politely to pull down your pants.

    I see Google doing the same thing that MS did way back when, which clearly created some advantages, but did not create the milk and honey world so many predicted. MS did provide a cheap OS for the emerging cheap PC. It was still as single source as IBM or Apple, but it was cheaper. In those days, the PC market had not become 100% based on commodity parts, so the computers were still pretty single sourced as well. Over time, MS pushed it advantage to attack customers(threatening copyright violation on customers that did not pay for all MS services for every machine), limit innovation of the PC by forcing OEM to only include MS products, and risking world commerce by purposefully borking common communications between OSes. We can see that while google will play nice while it is still cementing it dominant status, assuming that it will continue to play by those rules are naive.

    To end lets look at two common passages in the license the use provides Apple for Mobile me and Google for Docs. While the user grants both license to do what is necessary with the data to organize and transmit the data across all appropriate network, Apple explicitly states this is, at least theoretically, a limited situation. Both allow content to be uploaded, sometimes sensitive content
    Said license will terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you or Apple remove such Content from the public area.
    Google contains no such limitations. Google does however contain this section
    You agree that this licence includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services..

    I am sure some people will spin this, just like the kill switch, into a situation where Google is only doing this to help the consumer, and would never expose sensitive data for financial gain. Such a spin would of course be ludicrous.

    A google phone is just another smart phone. It is a good choice for people who want to use Google to store personal data, or people who think having the most apps makes them a winner in life. The iPhone is a good phone for those who .mac for the storage of personal data, or iTunes for music, or has apple kit. The Blackberry has obviously developed a good set of solutions for enterprise. I am not sure what MS phones are good for. But all these phones exist to generate a profit for the company by locking the customers into certain other services. All these phones run on networks controlled by private companies that are very protective of their networks and can exert some control over what kit is used. I do not see how the G1 has changed the features or services of T-Mobile. I do not yet see the App for the G1 that will unlock it, or set it up as independent WiFi device that does not need a cell contract, as it will just up VOIP. Maybe that will come, and when it does then Google has done something other that generate a profit for itself.

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  6. Let me ask a question of both services... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Let me ask a question of both services: What apps can each company remove with their respective kill switches?

    Google:
    Nobody seems to notice that the terms of service dictate exactly what apps Google can remove with the kill switch: ones that violate the terms of service. They even stipulate that they will try to refund you your money (since some of the money goes into the author's pocket; if the author goes missing or whatnot, it's kind of hard to get a refund from them).

    Now Apple's turn. What apps can / will they terminate? I haven't heard any Apple fanboys coming up and answering this question. What about a refund? Will they even try to go to bat for you?

  7. I don't understand why black people let this go on by Suzuran · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Seriously, all they need to do is collectively start ignoring the hell out of everyone who says "nigger". Just ignore them! It's that easy! They'll try harder, shout louder, or whatever, but just ignore them harder. All you have to do is ignore harder than they shout. People say nigger because it gets a rise out of you. It's taboo, it's bad, and so on. By reacting to it you give them exactly what they want - The power to make you react at their whim. Stop giving them that power! If everyone does this, the word no longer has any power and it will die out. (For a good example of how this comes to be, look at homosexuals and their new crusade against the word "gay". It wasn't offensive to them until someone told them it was supposed to be offensive. Now that they are reacting to it and getting offended by it, usage of the word as a slur has skyrocketed. The original meaning is all but completely forgotten.)

    Racial equality doesn't happen when everyone is too scared to say anything for fear of getting sued or beaten. Racial equality happens when nobody cares who is what race anymore.

    So stop caring!

  8. Re:Does not void warranty by maeka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Installing software on a device you actually own and then restoring it before calling support is fraud?

    Installing software which is listed as warranty voiding and then attempting to deny it is fraud.
    Software can break hardware. Improper register setup can run components with out of spec speeds or voltages, for example, though there are many other ways to do damage.

  9. Re:Does not void warranty by geoskd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its not a lie if you don't tell Apple. Just restore the phone before you return it for warranty and don't say anything one way or the other about whether you have used unauthorized software on the phone.

    What part of "covering your tracks" was unclear in the GP? Please remember that fraud is a felony. I just wish that more people who engaged in the practice were caught and punished, maybe then people in our society wouldn't feel that it is OK to lie.

    -Geoskd

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  10. Re:Fearmonger by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is a lie. It is illegal to void a warranty for any reason other than actual damage being done.

    To put it more simply: if you jailbreak your phone, and jailbreaking breaks the phone, then you have voided your warranty. If you jailbreak your phone and this does not break the warranty, then your warranty is still in full effect.

    Your position is the exact same kind of bullshit that PC manufacturers have tried to use to deny, for example, replacing broken LCD screens because a laptop has Linux installed. That is illegal and just because companies try to get away with it doesn't change that fact.

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