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Doing the Math On the New MacBook

Technologizer writes "Apple's new MacBook is a significantly different machine than its predecessor — a slicker laptop at a higher price point. But does it carry a large price premium over similar Windows PCs? I did a painstaking spec-by-spec comparison versus three roughly comparably-configured Windows machines, and came to the conclusion that the value it offers for price paid is not out of whack with the Windows world." The article uses the phrase "Mac tax," which one commenter points out is a recent Microsoft marketing canard.

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  1. Re:Design items... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Actually, I buy PCs for the pleasure of the ability to upgrade it and use a second mouse button.

  2. Re:One big difference: discounts. by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1, Troll

    There's one major difference this analysis doesn't cover. If you're patient, you can get a dell for up to 40% off, and although it's not quite as drastic with Lenovo, the same is true. This macbook will ALWAYS be expensive.

    And the article agrees:

    A. It's completely true that you can buy some amazingly well-equipped Windows notebooks for much, much less than the cheapest MacBook.

    Well there you go. If you stick to hardware, like the article says it does, macbooks cost more for less.

    A funny thing I noted: the article shows pictures of all computers. It shows the back side of the PCs' screens [monochromatic or gradient surfaces with a logo], while showing the front of the macs with splashly wallpapers and apps and happy faces. I'm sure that was completely coincidental and wasn't due to any bias.

    By the author's count, there's parity is six categories, macbook advantage in thirteen and dell advantage in nine. The dell costs $819; the macbook costs $1299, which is 160% percent of the dell. Note that 9 * 1.6 is 14.27, so why doesn't the macbook lead more? Okay, that's a stupid way of counting. Let's look at some meat.

    MacBook: 45 watt-hour, 5 hours
    Dell: 56 watt-hour, ? hours.
    Lenovo: ? watt-hour, 5.5 hours
    Sony: ? watt-hour, 6 hours
    MacBook white: 55 watt-hour, 4.5 hours
    Verdict: parity

    Parity? Counting "?" vs. anything as a tie, the all the PCs beat all the macs. That's parity, apparently.

    the MacBooks are the only ones with optical in and out, or at least the only ones that tout it. [Advantage: macbooks]

    Genuine, but it may not be worth the 60% markup to you.

    Webcam: They all have one. I'm going to avoid comparing resolution and give them all PARITY

    Why avoid the resolution comparison? That's like saying they all have a CPU, so they're at parity there. Smells funny.

    Keyboard and Touchpad: [macs have innovative touchpads, they have advantage]

    Any of them have trackpoints? Those are infinitely better than touchpads; sometimes I don't even notice I haven't plugged in my trackball because using the trackpoint felt so natural. Can any of the touchpads be turned off? I'm not saying the macs don't have a better [and maybe even use-worthy] touchpad, but again... is a slightly better touchpad worth $480?

    Fingerprint Scanner: The Dell and Sony have one. ADVANTAGE: DELL AND SONY

    Bleh. Does anyone really care?

    Bundled Media Software -- Bundled Productivity Software

    The macs win on iLife and Easy Media Creator, Dell wins on MS works. I'm not sure what iLife and EMC do, but unless you have high-end or specialized needs, free software can do everything you need. Didn't he also say stick to hardware?

    The MacBook is .95 thick; the Lenovo is 1.1 at its thickest point; the Dell is 1.51 at its thickest; the Sony is 1.33 thick at its thickest. The white MacBook is 1.08. ADVANTAGE: MACBOOK

    Why is everybody crazy with thickness? Either it's in your backpack or it's on a table somewhere. Unless you have an overfull backpack, why do you care? Is .5" worth $480? (okay, so the mac leads by four, not one, so I should ask whether .5" is worth $120)

    Environmental Impact

    And that's the final proof: macs are for lefty green vegetarian pacifist free-love hippies who felt personally attacked by South Park 10.02 - Smug Alert! ;)

    My conclusion: if you think the extra $480 for a nicer-looking and thinner machine, a nicer touchpad, and a wrappable power cord is worth it, go for it. I'd rather buy a fairly decent machine that does well what matters, and spend the saved money on, say, a wii. Or an assload of games. Or tuition fees if you happen to live in a country where the state doesn't pay _you_ to get an education.

  3. Re:Sigh... by pdusen · · Score: 0, Troll

    People compare specs because in use it is the part that actually MATTERS. Magsafe? Glass trackpad? Unibody design? I'm paying anywhere from $200 to $800 extra for THAT? Give me a break.

  4. Re:They totally missed the whole point of the phra by Ash-Fox · · Score: 0, Troll

    you lack the correct common sense to make me believe your horizon stretches further than the english speaking part of the world.

    I speak four Slavic languages, English and I can get by in quite a few other languages.

    You still aren't using things like proper punctuation, capitalization which is common to the majority of in-use languages.

    also, challenging somebody's grammar in a discussion makes your point what? valid?

    I am pointing out that any properly educated person (as you claim your university's students tend to be) would not be doing what you are doing.

    maybe you dont even study anything technical, which would explains a lot.

    Indeed!

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  5. Re:the big diff by SolitaryMan · · Score: 0, Troll
    1. I said "from _MY_ experience", means I'm expressing my personal opinion, so definitely I'm biased -- who isn't?
    2. The article, we are discussing, is exactly of the kind supporting my claim, so I don't get to search for examples.

    BTW, I wouldn't buy Mac even if it costs $500, because I use Linux anyway, so don't really care.

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  6. Re:They totally missed the whole point of the phra by Ash-Fox · · Score: 0, Troll

    you might not understand this, but sometimes, people omit things like punctuation and capitalization by choice.

    And it is very common properly educated people have a tendency to not choose to do so, even when heavily fatigued or simply unmotivated.

    if you think its smart of yourself to have pointed this out, good for you.

    No, I don't feel smart for pointing out your incorrect use of grammar.

    I have far bigger accomplishments I can rely on for feeling 'smart'. But despite that, I do not feel that smart right now since, I am continuing this pointless banter.

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  7. Re:They totally missed the whole point of the phra by Ash-Fox · · Score: 0, Troll

    you actually didnt have anything valuable to add to this

    Incorrect, you claimed something and I deemed it suspicious because of how you 'write'.

    I also mentioned how I did not observe the same phenomenon at the universities I visited.

    pointing out grammar mistakes to elevate your self-esteem?

    Incorrect, reread my previous post again. I have no need or interest to do so for self-esteem purposes.

    I am just simply, skeptical about your claims for the reasons I have given.

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  8. Re:Seriously flawed... by kellyb9 · · Score: 0, Troll

    But the question was -- are apple taxing you for buying their brand. Answer no

    Drinking the kool aid, eh?

  9. Re:Well, someone paid a tax by mgblst · · Score: 0, Troll

    The last time I had "a wet stain on my pants and said in a low tone..."I must have this"" is the first time my wife kissed me.

    Fuck of cheeseball. He was just joking for comic effect. Keep the boring wife talk to yourself, we don't need no cheese here. You don't get no points for talk like this.