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Kentucky Judge Upholds State's Gambling-Domain Grab

JohnHegarty writes "A Kentucky judge has upheld that state's seizure of some of the world's most popular online casino domain names, ruling they constitute a 'gambling device' that is subject to Kentucky's anti-gambling laws." Wasn't it surreal enough on the first round?

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  1. Not entirely accurate by lrsach01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Basically the judge didn't throw the case out. He is letting it proceed. It's not the wholesale grab of domain names some people want you to believe.

    1. Re:Not entirely accurate by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's still a bad move. Basically, the judge should have thrown the case out because it's a piece of shit (or whatever the legal term is). If any of the gambling sites had corporate sites in Kentucky or web-hosting in Kentucky, then the suit has some legal basis.

      But since they don't, it's setting a bad precedent of "Well, it's illegal here, so our laws apply to the website no matter where it's located".

      Hang on tight, kids, it's a slippery slope coming up!

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  2. DNS by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Funny

    So is it time to update the DNS servers to ignore Kentucky?

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    1. Re:DNS by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey! HEY! Speaking as a Kentuckian there are many things we are proud of. Especially our invention of the toothbrush which if it had happened anywhere else would've been called teethbrush.

      I'll be here all week enjoy the squirrel stew and bourbon.

  3. The law is so far behind the internet it hurts by G0rAk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The book Blown to Bits we previously discussed goes into this in some detail but there is a clear, and increasing, problem that legislatures are very far behind the curve on the global nature of the internet. Not only can district courts in the US have a say, potentially, on the content hosted on a server in another country - let alone another state - but it also creates a pressure to host your servers in the country with the most lax laws around content control.
    The application of laws designed to deal with print or broadcast media being applied to the internet - where ISPs are neither publishers nor distributors, from a strict legal perspective - is fraught with difficulty.
    The application of social laws, like restricting your citizens access to gambling, also has an inherent problem when the social sphere in question is virtual. The law givers reaction often seems to be to target the technology when the social problem is what the law is meant to address.

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  4. Isn't the US supposed to be land of the free? by Jason+Quinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a lie! Freedom so long as it is granted by the state is more like it. I should be able to have a domain name regardless of what it says. And on internet gambling in general, my money is my money, so I should be allowed to gamble with it if I so choose. If the government did its job and was there to protect the people rather to limit them, they would investigate online casinos for fairness and punish those that aren't playing square or if they are offshores, warn consumers about their practices.

  5. Power by Andr+T. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every day there's news here about Government trying to control the Internet. China with their great firewall, the UK and their laws, Australia and their version of internet control. Government gets crazy when they sense there's something they can't control. Judges, Senators, Presidents, the whole system.

    What makes me sad is that I always thought it'd be harder to 'control' the internet, but it seems they'll do it sooner or later.

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  6. Follow the Money... by Trip6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Among other things, the state says online gambling drains the state of money by undermining horse racing, a key tourism industry for the state."

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  7. Ground troops and the state's ability to enforce by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some world body should laugh them off.

    Ha! At the end of the day your internet connection does have to come to your house and somebody has to install it and the ISPs router in that state. Either the installation company (e.g. Qwest, SBC, Comcast) or the ISP if different have people paid on salary working in your state.

    As a condition of doing bussiness the State can have it block or re-route IP addresses as a condition of the ISP doing bussiness in the state.

    One can quibble about how the ISPs will be able to block dynamic changes in host IPs, but look if each hour the ISP does a DNS lookup on the domain name then blocks the resolved IP it wil be plenty effective.

    That leaves the gambling sites to rely on Proxies, TOR, or constantly changing domain names, all of which will effectively gut their clientele.

    The ultimate weapon for the state in this case is that state can legally declare all gambling debts unenforcable. If they allow cost recovery from VISA or Paypal, the gambling sites may not only find they can't do bussiness in Kentucky but that from VISA's point of view they can't do bussiness at all with VISA.

    Given the latter death threat I suspect there's going to be cooperation on this at some level.

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  8. Re:Ground troops and the state's ability to enforc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if the state doesn't approve of a radio station can they shut down the transmitter in another state or demand that the station modify all radios to not receive their signal? This falls under violating interstate commerce and KentUHky will likely find itself being forced to reverse by the feds.

  9. Re:differant registrar? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently the law of the state of Kentucky is applicable to any server on the internet, regardless of country of origin.

    The law of the state of Kentucky, like the laws of any nation or locality, is applicable only where the authorities of that nation or locality can send people with guns, or convince the locals to point guns on their behalf.

    So the trick is to host your servers and register your domain in a country where a court order from Kentucky is going to be recycled as toilet paper.

    Of course, Kentucky may then try to firewall that nation to keep its citizens from accessing your site. But if China can't do it very effectively, I doubt Kentucky can either.

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  10. Re:Ground troops and the state's ability to enforc by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK:
    The judge runs over your puppy and laughs while pissing out the window on your head.