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Inside the World's Most Advanced Planetarium

notthatwillsmith writes "Earlier this month, the most technologically-advanced digital planetarium in the world opened in San Francisco's California Academy of Sciences. The new Morrison Planetarium's 75-foot screen replaces the traditional Zeiss projector with an array of 6 high-resolution DLP projectors arrayed around the edge of the theater, which are powered by three very different, but interesting computing clusters. The three clusters allow for projection of traditional planetarium shows, playback of ultra-high resolution movies, and display of anything from current atmospheric conditions on Earth to a (greatly accelerated) trip to the farthest reaches of the universe, all rendered in real-time on an 8800 sq. ft. dome. Maximum PC went on a behind the scenes tour with the engineers who built the systems that do everything from run the planetarium lights to the sound systems to the tech behind the screen to show you how it works and what it's like to drive, well ... the universe."

133 comments

  1. Re:Attention spans by colourmyeyes · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...said every generation ever.

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  2. Re:Attention spans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not very interesting to today's kids unless there be lazer flashes and starships goin' round.

    And Pink Floyd.

  3. Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Informative

    This thing sounds expensive. I wonder if this ended up costing more than the $3,000,000 that the Alder Planetarium payed for it's high-tech projection system.

    When, in a recent debate, McCain was reaching for an example of ridiculous pork that he demonstrates spending that's run out of control, he mentioned this as a paradigmatic waste of money: "Three million dollars for a (heh heh) projector." See the story here.

    Be glad he doesn't read Slashdot!

    1. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was seriously annoyed when I saw that. It is perfectly legitimate to argue that federal money shouldn't(or should) be spent on planetarium hardware; but describing a planetarium projection system as an "overhead projector" is seriously pushing the bounds of honesty. If you think that educational hardware is a bad use of federal money, fine, come out and say so; but don't set up a ridiculous strawman(actual overhead projectors cost less than $500, anybody would be stupid to pay $3,000,000).

    2. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I was seriously annoyed when I saw that. It is perfectly legitimate to argue that federal money shouldn't(or should) be spent on planetarium hardware; but describing a planetarium projection system as an "overhead projector" is seriously pushing the bounds of honesty. If you think that educational hardware is a bad use of federal money, fine, come out and say so; but don't set up a ridiculous strawman(actual overhead projectors cost less than $500, anybody would be stupid to pay $3,000,000).

      Damned right on every count. He's now running scared and grasping at any straw that shows up. With this BS, he is either catastrophically misinformed, or stunningly disingenuous. I suspect the latter.

      How can this asshole condemn his opponent's inexperience when Obama has a fully-qualified running mate? Shit, if her executive experience is being governor of a state with a smaller population than Obama's district as a representative, my little sister is better qualified.

      Also, how can the dizzy bitch say something like she did the other day when she declared the places they were campaigning to be "pro-USA"? So the rest of the US is populated with anti-US forces??? What consummate hubris. For that statement alone, McCain should have dumped the dumbshit off the ticket and run alone -- VP TBA.

    3. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by speaker4thedead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since when were the presidential debates about honesty?

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    4. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Let's be a bit more honest here. He did mention that it was for a planetarium the time I seen him mention it. If you can't put 2 and 2 together to get what he was talking about it probably didn't matter what he called it.

      Secondly, for all the bitching and moaning I see going on around here about space exploration being a drain funds for fattening up the poor, I find it odd that most slashdotters don't see they value in buying a couple thousand PCs and copies of Starry Night Backyard for each one of them for 3 million. It does a hell of a lot more than any projector would and get used by more kids for more than just putting light dots on a dome. I don't think it's anti-education but questioning where the money could be better spent. Is 3 million really needed for a projector? Is that really as low as we can go for a reasonably solid projector?

      I think the planetarium, just like the public library, is becoming more and more outmoded by the home PC.

      They may not be dead yet, but they're well on their way.

    5. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Must you idiots turn every fucking article into an anti-McCain or anti-Obama flamefest? Both popular candidates suck. Get over it. If you really must whine about politics,take it to one of the millions of websites dedicated to that shit. This isn't one of them.

    6. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but describing a planetarium projection system as an "overhead projector" is seriously pushing the bounds of honesty.

      I heard it mentioned in 2 of the debates. The way McCain described it could be interpreted either as a planetarium or an office-style overhead projector (as I remember it). I'll give him the benefit of a doubt, for its not something familiar to most politicians.

      More interesting, however, was how Obama handled it. In my opinion, Obama's approach was brilliant: he *ignored* the point both times. Most listeners are probably thinking, "If a planetarium projector (with possible educational value) is the worse pork McCain can site, then he's wasting time fussing about nitty little things when we are teetering on a potential repeat of the 30's."

      Knowing when to shut up is an important campaign skill (and one lost on Biden apparently :-). Obama let McCain happily eat himself rather than get caught up in tit-for-tat over that.

    7. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      I'll give him the benefit of a doubt...

      Well, depending on what you think he thinks it means, you have to characterize him as either dishonest or stupid. When you say you'll give him the benefit of the doubt, I'm wondering which one of those you consider to be the benefit of the doubt.

      Unfortunately, I'm having a lot of these moments with McCain. He's constantly saying things that make me think he's either trying to pull one over on people, or he's actually stupid enough to believe it himself. I don't know which is true, but it's really not good either way...

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    8. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Must you idiots turn every fucking article into an anti-McCain or anti-Obama flamefest?

      You must be new here. Welcome to Slashdot! :D

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    9. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Adler wanted a world class projector system--and the Universarium IX projects a image so detailed that audience members could benefit from binoculars

      It's only an absurd notion if you have no binoculars at hand.

    10. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      SIgh... Use your mod points.

    11. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by skam240 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "He did mention that it was for a planetarium the time I seen him mention it. If you can't put 2 and 2 together to get what he was talking about it probably didn't matter what he called it."

      I disagree. He chose the wording projector specifically because it implies a cheap device and therefore enforces the idea that this is wasteful spending. Plus, by questioning an institution devoted to intellectual pursuits he gets to attack those darn intellectuals modern Republicans seem to hate so much.

      "Secondly, for all the bitching and moaning I see going on around here about space exploration being a drain funds for fattening up the poor, I find it odd that most slashdotters don't see they value in buying a couple thousand PCs and copies of Starry Night Backyard for each one of them for 3 million."

      You seem to be implying that spending money making sure American's aren't living in absolute poverty (thus reducing the chances that their children become criminals) is more important than a space station that could easily be replaced by cheap unmanned satellites and a major push by NASA to go back to the moon to address our insecurities in regards to China's proposed landing there decades after we have. Is that correct or am I missing something?

      "I think the planetarium, just like the public library, is becoming more and more outmoded by the home PC."

      Have you ever seen a young child at a planetarium? Especially an academically inclined one? I can think of few better ways of addressing the United State's lack luster performance in turning out scientists and engineers than to expose children to stuff like this. We are a long ways off in home PC technology in instilling the awe of the universe that a planetarium can provide.

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    12. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      but... unless McCain and Palin win, what will we professional comedians do for material for the next four years?

      Ok, I'm in pre-sales, but it's the same line of work.

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    13. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as your second point makes sense there is an important issue that you do not address though.

      The goal of a "Science Center" or Planetarium as some see it is not to do the actual educating of the kids in more than a minor way. What is important is to make the kids -interested- in learning -on their own-.

      At VilVite in Bergen, Norway the philosophy is to get the kids interested in science and technology by dazzling them with interactive exhibits utilizing the latest technology. The information is easily digestable but with the option to go deeper into the material if you want. The exhibition is there to help remove the shroud of mystery around technology.

      And it is working :)

      In Norway applications to math and science-based lines of education are now on a steady rise :D

    14. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They will make fun of the other guy. Making fun of presidents is a party neutral national past time.

    15. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't you use yours? But seriously, I am so tired of all the political BS too. The Parent AND GP are right. I'd say mod down any post that flames either candidate. Throw Bush in there too. We all know his record, what kind of man he is, what kind of man his VP is. We have all already made up our minds. No need to keep harping on it. It serves no purpose.

    16. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Has anyone been to the digital projection planetarium at the Smithsonian? The thing was UNWATCHABLE. Blurry as hell and WAY out of alignment. Hope this new one is a LOT better for that money.

    17. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by DeltaStorm · · Score: 3, Informative

      They didn't even get the money. They released a statement after the debate http://www.adlerplanetarium.org/pressroom/pr/2008_10_08_AdlerStatement_aboutdebate.pdf

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    18. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by alisson · · Score: 1

      I believe he continued to say "LOL knowledge is dumb!"

    19. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you not be pleased to see people on a political website discussing technology?

    20. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Don't want people to know where your candidate stands? Then maybe you should admit that your candidate is an ignorant fool.

    21. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If a planetarium projector (with possible educational value) is the worse pork McCain can site, then he's wasting time fussing about nitty little things when we are teetering on a potential repeat of the 30's."

      But how would you have felt if McCain would have blown off Obama's 440K spent on a weekend retreat for some bean counters and CEOs in the face of a crisis that just cost the nation a few trillion dollars?

      Seriously, if you think that 3 million in pork should be shrugged at where do you draw the line? 440K is a drop in the bucket compared to our recent crisis. Much more-so than 3 million in one pork project on a national budget but Obama made a big deal of it.

      Honestly? Both of them were right in their positions. We don't need CEOs living off of tax charity to go whooping it up at some fantastic resort and we certainly shouldn't have little back room deals in the name of pork spending. That's ultimately what an earmark is... It's a legislators way of telling the president; "Sure I'll vote for your budget as long as my district and friends get a little kick back". It's disgusting that this form of open faced bribery gets winked at in the face of a national deficit but we still accept it. When are we going to shut this kind of crap down and when do we tell the people in office who use it to their advantage that we've had enough of funding their pet projects and helping them fund kickbacks to their supporters?

      Obama openly uses earmarks. That means that he has no problem with the buying and selling of favors on The Hill and the kickbacks that people who have no rights to the cash will get.

    22. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must you idiots turn every fucking article into an anti-McCain or anti-Obama flamefest? Both popular candidates suck. Get over it. If you really must whine about politics,take it to one of the millions of websites dedicated to that shit. This isn't one of them.

      Dude, there's an entire politics section of Slashdot, and politics affect everyone's lives.

      Politics is not going to go away to other sites any time soon. Deal with it.

    23. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'll give McCain negative 10 points for referring to a Zeiss star projector as an 'overhead projector'.

      Obama gets negative 15 points for referring to his associate Bill Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

      Oh, and I'll give Obama negative 100 points for falsely accusing people of lying about his record as a state senator regarding the Induced Infant Liability Act. He said he would have voted in favor if this act if only it had a clause protecting Roe v. Wade, like a similar federal bill -- but the 2002 version, which he voted against, did indeed have such a clause.

    24. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember going to Northwestern for a grad school recruitment trip back in '99. That night while being treated to bars in downtown Chicago, one of the people in the group happened to look up and say "Look! A star!"

    25. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Real-time projection of the sky, space, etc...

      Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to just go outside at night and look up?

      Oh, I forgot about the smog.

    26. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Excuse me mods, but it's neither flamebait nor inaccurate to refer to Sarah Palin as a 'dizzy bitch.' She's pretty much made that her campaign theme as the small-town outsider who is here to teach us city folk that the rural life is more honest, American living. Apparently I don't live in Real America, and I make non-American voting choices.

    27. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by dpilot · · Score: 1

      > In my opinion, Obama's approach was brilliant: he *ignored* the point both times.

      I noticed it, too. I rather wish that Obama had gone on the offensive, with the fact that US students are falling behind on math and science. His so-called overhead projector was part of an attempt to inspire children with science and engineering - something the nation badly needs right now - something corporate America and CEOs have been teaching us is a bad career path by exporting those jobs overseas. It dovetails with the rest of his message.

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    28. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by skam240 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know what, it's a shame that you didn't get modded troll for this crap. And that's exactly what it is, crap.

      Wow, that's a strong start. I know myself and everyone else is taking you more seriously now, rather than less. Why don't we start calling each other names as well?

      Of course maybe you are being ironic in calling me a troll in such a fashion and this all just went right over my head.

      First you start off basically stating that you know his motivation behind something when clearly you don't.

      Isn't that what you are doing in proclaiming his honest intentions?

      Secondly, most people would use the word projector for the unit because that's what it is.
      That's the accepted term for it and there are thousands of references made to that exact term in relation to a planetarium by doing a simple Google search. This isn't a made up term.

      I wish I had an example on hand for this but I don't (and this is not important enough for me to spend a bunch of time digging for an example) but have you ever seen those surveys in which a group is asked a question given minimal info and most people in it give a negative response? Then a similar group is asked the same question but with greater depth and they generally answer in a positive manner. The term "welfare" is a good example of this where many people have a negative impression in regards to it but then turn around and express their support of a wide variety of welfare programs.

      The point I am making with my ramblings is that I think most people have an impression of a projector as a cheap device, even when mentioned in conjunction with a planetarium and by mentioning a large price tag without saying a bit about why it has such a large price tag, it seems to me he's begging for a knee-jerk negative reaction from the crowd.

      If anything your line about Republicans hating intellectuals is a vastly more bogus statement than McCain calling it a projector.

      The latest fad for Republicans right now seems to be to label Democrats as elitist and out of touch with regular Americans and that the real, honest American is McCain's Joe Six-Pack. Do you really think the archetype, Joe Six-Pack, is intellectually inclined in any way? Furthermore, there is a constant push by many conservatives in this country to get creationism taught in science classes and to have the class curriculum cast strong doubt on evolutionary theory. Really I could go on and on with little examples like this that all seem to ad up.

      If you really held any value in what you said you'd be honest and admit that it's YOU who are wrong.

      Huh? Are you saying I'm wrong because I disagree with you? I'm not following.

      ...That's why I had a job. I didn't get any free ride as my family made too much money but I had to make my own way through school. So don't come off with a holy than thou attitude. I feel bad for the honest welfare recepient who wants to get ahead but finds it difficult but the vast majority of these people have no such aspirations and I'm helping to keep them alive so that I can also pay for their cancer and heart disease treatments. Ain't life grand?

      On this point I guess I ran away with a misunderstanding on my part (so my bad on this) although I would disagree with the "vast majority" comment. I am actually currently working at a grocery store finishing off what's left of my degree and I see the same thing you describe with people abusing their food cards buying shrimp platters and deli sandwiches. I have not seen anything to suggest, however, that these people represent the "vast majority" of welfare recipients.

      I didn't go to the planetarium as a child. I had a night sky to look at. My interest in astronomy wasn't fostered by people throwing money at me telling me to find a place in life. I did that on my own. If a kid can't look up at the night sky and see the wonder in it all the planetarium isn't going to make a damn bit of difference and you know

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    29. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      His so-called overhead projector was part of an attempt to inspire children with science and engineering

      But it may come across as an impractical toy to some voters. Obie has to counter his "dreamy" image during the campaign.

      inspire children with science and engineering - something the nation badly needs right now

      I have to disagree. Companies find it cheaper to do basic research overseas. It cannot be our comparative advantage. The comparative advantage of the US is bringing new products to consumers because 3rd-world country consumers cannot afford cutting edge. (It's an interesting discussion that would take more room here.)
           

    30. Re:Shh! Don't tell McCain! He'll go POW on you! by dpilot · · Score: 1

      > I have to disagree. Companies find it cheaper to do basic research overseas. It cannot be
      > our comparative advantage. The comparative advantage of the US is bringing new products
      > to consumers because 3rd-world country consumers cannot afford cutting edge. (It's an
      > interesting discussion that would take more room here.)

      I see that very statement as a problem, though I don't disagree with what you say, I see it as something that needs to be fixed.

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  4. backlit keyboard by colourmyeyes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I would like one of the red-backlit keyboards they have in the control room pictures.

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    1. Re:backlit keyboard by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      http://www.tg3electronics.com/ should be able to help you. I don't know if they stock exactly the model pictured, the picture isn't good enough to say; but their Deck Legend Fire model looks pretty seriously similar.

    2. Re:backlit keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad someone with mod points chose to waste them on this comment instead of the political flamebaits above...

  5. It's a trap! by chenjeru · · Score: 1, Funny

    I have a strange bone disease that doesn't let me say the 'T' in plan-e'arium.

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    1. Re:It's a trap! by Cypher04 · · Score: 1

      I love the planetarium

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  6. That is, ... by organum · · Score: 1

    I think you mean "Maximum PC went on a behind-the-scenes tour ..."

  7. Home version by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been thinking of buying a projector for my 3 month old son's bedroom when he's just a little older (I've read their distance vision improves at 8 months). That plus decent planetarium software would let me project the stars on the ceiling for him at night. I've got a spare PC that'd do fine but unfortunately it's over AUD1000 for a semi decent projector (and a few hundred dollars a pop for the lamps - that's the real killer). I can't justify that. Plus it would give me a flat not spherical projection.

    I can't think of anything mid way in between those garbage home projectors that project lines on your ceiling for the constellations, and a full blown projector setup.

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    1. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can think of a couple of options for you here.

      First, don't worry too much about the flat. That can be fixed in software (as is already done for key-stoning). Although if you can't code your own display software you may indeed be in trouble here.

      Secondly for a bedroom at night, you won't really need that bright a bulb. And since the reason for the high cost is for the number of lumens, you might actually be able to cheaper. I know my phone on 'white' will light up bits of the room bright enough to be stars, so maybe some sort of kit starting with a neo and an appropriate lens?

    2. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Search amazon for "star projector". I think a ~$100 quiet mini planetarium projector with good resolution, field of view and black levels would be amazingly better for this task. I kind of doubt they can correct for non-spherical rooms, but who knows.

    3. Re:Home version by jewelises · · Score: 5, Funny

      It might be cheaper to just get a glass ceiling.

    4. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're thinking of running a projector all night, it's gonna run you over $100 a year in electricity, not to mention the carbon footprint. As AC said, get a star projector.

    5. Re:Home version by billsnow · · Score: 1

      I know it's a joke, but I suspect it's part of the reason why most planetariums are in cities. I grew up in New Jersey (lots of light and air pollution), and was blown away on my first camping trip in upstate ny.

    6. Re:Home version by siddesu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use Stellarium (stellarium.org) on Linux on a large (47") TV. It is as cool as a planetarium, with more bells and whistles than you'd need. It works fine on a 32" too.

      If what Stellarium ain't enough and I need Imperial cruisers and a Death star here and there, I use Celestia (http://www.shatters.net/celestia/) with some custom add-ons. Extra benefits if you let kids design their own universes.

      The third piece is cartes du ciel, but I mostly use that to plan my observations.

    7. Re:Home version by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i know you were joking, but we actually had that when i was a kid.

      back when i was in 1st~3nd grade my parents and i lived in a rural part of Taipei (Taiwan) in my Grandma's house along with my uncles and their families. it was a traditional clan home, so my parents and i shared a single large bedroom, as did each of my uncles' families. each bedroom was sorta like a single-room apartment, so most of my uncles had TVs in their rooms, and one of them even had a home theater setup complete with a professional grade sound system.

      we'd just moved back to Taiwan so aside from the bed, all we had was an old 386 (ok, it wasn't really "old" at the time) running DOS. consequently, our bedroom was pretty spartan (read: ghetto) compared to the rest of the house. and since our bedroom was in the interior of the house, we didn't have any outside windows for direct sunlight. so my dad decided to have a "sunroof" installed right above our bed, which provided natural lighting during the day, and so that at night we could look up and see the stars.

      my cousins and i stayed up many nights sitting under that sunroof with a bunch of snacks bought from the local 7-11 just enjoying the night sky.

    8. Re:Home version by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      Or you could take him outside?

    9. Re:Home version by syousef · · Score: 1

      The star projectors are what I was referring to when I said garbage sick figure projector. I don't want my son thinking of the constellations as stick figures where the lines can't be turned off.

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    10. Re:Home version by syousef · · Score: 1

      Or you could take him outside?

      He'll be outside with binocs and a 10" dob when he's old enough. In the meantime I'd like him to grow up with some familiarity of the stars and going to bed to them would be ideal. It's not practical to take an infant outdoors every night.

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    11. Re:Home version by jewelises · · Score: 1

      I grew up in New Jersey (lots of light and air pollution), and was blown away on my first camping trip in upstate ny.

      So what you're saying is that without the pollution it was much more windy?

    12. Re:Home version by syousef · · Score: 1

      If you're thinking of running a projector all night, it's gonna run you over $100 a year in electricity, not to mention the carbon footprint. As AC said, get a star projector.

      1. Star projector = garbage stick figure projector.
      2. $100/year I'd be willing to spend.
      3. Carbon footprint? I'll start worrying about that when people stop buying 1m+ plasma TVs.

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    13. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be careful talking about your plans around a feminist.

    14. Re:Home version by jewelises · · Score: 1

      It might be cheaper to just get a glass ceiling.

      ... of course, I make this suggestion under the assumption that you've finally moved out of your mother's basement.

    15. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      my cousins and i stayed up many nights sitting under that sunroof with a bunch of snacks bought from the local 7-11 just enjoying the night sky.

      Around the same time you got that slashdot handle?

    16. Re:Home version by syousef · · Score: 1

      I use all 3 bits of software and love them. I also have an old copy of Starry Night Backyard that works nicely (though isn't free software). The issue si I don't have a large screen TV and if I did, I wouldn't put it in the baby's bedroom. A cheap projector would be ideal.

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    17. Re:Home version by siddesu · · Score: 1

      That is true, not every solution is ideal for everyone.

      What I did when I was a kid (before software and big screen TVs) was even simpler -- I got one package them phosphorescent paper stars with the sticky backs, painted my ceiling dark blue, and just glued the stars all over the place.

      and one day i got a black light lamp ... it was very useful even in highschool, the girls liked it a lot.

      you can draw the constellations for extra credit :-D

      Good luck with your project, and put it on the web when you're finished.

    18. Re:Home version by laejoh · · Score: 0

      What, all that trouble to see dead pixels?

    19. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have found http://worldwidetelescope.org/ quite entertaining.

    20. Re:Home version by Taibhsear · · Score: 2, Funny

      My ceiling is my mother's main floor you insensitive clod!

    21. Re:Home version by zbharucha · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to subject your son to such torture? Poor kid will not get any sleep what with the humming of the projector and PC and all. What's wrong with those glow in the dark stickers?

    22. Re:Home version by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      A glass ceiling? Then your kid grows up thinking he can never reach upper management.

      Plus he'll have a great view of bird poop.

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    23. Re:Home version by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      my cousins and i stayed up many nights sitting under that sunroof with a bunch of snacks bought from the local 7-11 just enjoying the night sky.

      Taiwan has 7-11's? How sad. And here I though the rest of the world had been spared the blight of convenience stores. :-P

      Cheers

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    24. Re:Home version by Planetarium+guy · · Score: 1

      Check out the Sega Homestar Planetarium (marketed by Uncle Milton, the Ant Farm magnate, in the U.S.) It's the only thing that comes close to producing a quality sky, the rest are really just junky toys. I'd avoid doing a digital planetarium at home. As you mention lamp costs are high and the image will be pretty low res when you spread it out over the whole ceiling. You'll have dim stars the size of dimes.

    25. Re:Home version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will spoil him rotten. Put star-shaped glow in the dark stickers on his ceiling like everyone else has. Boom, stars!

    26. Re:Home version by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      I grew up in New Jersey (lots of light and air pollution), and was blown away on my first camping trip in upstate ny.

      So what you're saying is that without the pollution it was much more windy?

      No, what he's saying is that those of us in the Fake America have fake skies unlike those people in the Real America.

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    27. Re:Home version by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      You could try taking your kid outdoors sometimes.

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    28. Re:Home version by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      heh, Taiwan probably has more convenient stores per square mile than any other country in the world--about one on each block. it honestly seems like there's a 7-11 or Circle-K at every street corner. sometimes there'll even be convenient stores on all four corners of an intersection--and Americans think Starbucks is bad.

      they're kinda like WalMarts there. they have all kinds snacks & junk food (Taiwan has the best potato chips =P), fast-food like steamed buns, Zonzi, Tea-leaf egg, hotdogs, sandwiches, ramen--the instant noodle kind (Taiwanese ramen puts American ramen to shame), assorted Asian soft drinks, toys/model kits, music CDs, DVD movies, computer games, books, and then all the normal stuff you find in American 7-11's like hygiene products, condoms, magazines, liquor, cigarettes, etc.

    29. Re:Home version by syousef · · Score: 1

      Yeah I've thought about painting or sticking stars on the ceiling. 3 disadvantages though - takes a lot of time, not very portable, not possible to change the display with time of night (and hard to do with season).

      Kudos to you for getting girls into a starlit bedroom in highschool *chuckle* I wasn't exactly a babe magnet at that age so I'm jealous ;-)

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    30. Re:Home version by siddesu · · Score: 1

      hehe, sticking them isn't that much work if you co-opt the kids, but yours are a bit young. painting the constellations properly, yeah, that's a challenge.

      as for the changing sky thing, that is why I used the black light. i put a cylinder box around it, with a cardboard cutout on top of the box over the lamp, which projected an ellpse over the whole sky the way those paper planispheres do -- I was only litting up the visible portion of the sky by turning the paper cover of the box with my bare hands.

      it was okay, but you had to move around the room for a closer look as the seasons went by ;)

      ah, childhood memories ...

  8. The blue screen of death by andreyvul · · Score: 3, Funny

    would look pretty interesting on a huge spherical screen.
    Maybe it can even one-up Beijing's BSoD.

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    1. Re:The blue screen of death by strawberryutopia · · Score: 1

      Well it does appear to be running windows, assuming that the control panel and the main system are one and the same computer.

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  9. McCain is an idiot by tuxgeek · · Score: 0, Troll

    Like a monkey, he is running out of feces to throw @ Obama.
    I'm waiting for the obligatory "and he fathered an illegitimate black baby too."

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  10. Re:Attention spans by CSMatt · · Score: 1

    Or a brainwashing machine that gets you free child labor.

  11. That's no planetarium... by actionbastard · · Score: 1

    Now this is a real planetarium!
    I know, because I have worked in many of the world's best known planetariums.

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  12. PC compatible?? by bobbonomo · · Score: 1

    Quote from the article (I actually read it).

    Yep, the planetarium software all runs on Windows XP, with no plans to upgrade to Vista.

  13. Spelling Correction by TheBlunderbuss · · Score: 1
  14. The technology behind this is quite impressive by KingArthur10 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The planetarium that I work at is also considering using the Uniview system. We currently use the Konica Minolta's single-projector MediaGlobe I/II system. It provides wonderful visuals and interactivity in our galaxy, but sadly, its intergalactic abilities aren't nearly up to what the Uniview can do. For those wishing to dabble a bit in the technology behind Uniview, though, check out the free Digital Universe.

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  15. How about real time satellite imagery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a planetarium that has google earth, but using realtime satellite imagery.

    And then I want a laser pointer that actually controls a giant space laser. Not powerful enough to kill people or vaporize objects, I just want to paint a big red circle on them.

    Think of the advertising possibilities! And the research possibilities of course.

    1. Re:How about real time satellite imagery? by Loko+Draucarn · · Score: 1

      I'd personally like one running Celestia.

      The laser would be a nice touch, too, so I could write my name on the moon.

  16. It is not a planetarium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love the Academy of Sciences and the old planetarium. Been going there since the 80's. Needless to say I was thrilled to be there when the new facility opened.

    It is not a planetarium. It is an IMAX movie. You sit, watch a film, and leave. There is no talk about constellations, or where in the sky you should look to see features. The movie has a lot of narration about saving the environment, man-made waste products, deforestation, and other topics completely unrelated to the solar system. In fact a large chunk of it is devoted to discussing extra-terrestrial life and the size of solar system as far as man has explored it.

    This falls in line with the new Academy of Sciences which is no longer about science, it's a marketing experience. There are a zillion gift shops with toys but NO BOOKS. I was amazed about how much historical and scientific material is completely missing from the new building.

    They are selling a fun experience for kids that is short on science, short on education and high on "fun". It's something a Great America or Disneyland designer would come up with. I'm sad to see the old one go and disappointed the new one took the easy way out.

    The old Academy of Sciences made science FUN. This one is entirely forgettable and you won't leave it knowing any more than you did coming in. It's a perfect trip for the family, but do yourself a favor and check out the Exploratorium if you to do right for your kids.

    1. Re:It is not a planetarium by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are selling a fun experience for kids that is short on science, short on education and high on "fun". It's something a Great America or Disneyland designer would come up with.

      You see the fruit not of amusement park designers but of decades of educators trying to make education 'fun' rather than educational.

    2. Re:It is not a planetarium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but if your kid comes out of it and wants to learn more about the skys/stars/galaxy, because it was so fun, it's done its job, no?

    3. Re:It is not a planetarium by Daikiki · · Score: 1

      There are a zillion gift shops with toys but NO BOOKS.

      There are three. With books. There are also aquariums, tidal pools, ant colonies, Darwin's finches, Foulcault's pendulum. A library. Labs with great big plate glass windows. Skulls. It's a museum. With science.

      Get over yourself.

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    4. Re:It is not a planetarium by Stephen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not a planetarium. It is an IMAX movie. You sit, watch a film, and leave. There is no talk about constellations, or where in the sky you should look to see features. The movie has a lot of narration about saving the environment, man-made waste products, deforestation, and other topics completely unrelated to the solar system. In fact a large chunk of it is devoted to discussing extra-terrestrial life and the size of solar system as far as man has explored it.

      I've been to the show, and I don't think this is a fair criticism. As well as being visually spectacular, I thought it gave a reasonable overview of the universe from the earth outwards.

      I was put off by the title of the show (Fragile Planet), but actually it had far less boring environmental preaching than I imagined. Most of it was about exoplanets and the possibility of extraterrestrial life. My one complaint would be that it got a bit speculative, even if it's based on the best science that we have at this time.

      It sounds to me like you have a rather narrow view of what is acceptable subject matter for a planetarium. Admittedly if I were writing it for Slashdotters, I would have gone into a bit more depth. But for a general audience, I thought it was actually pretty good and not too "dumbed down". I was pleasantly surprised.

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    5. Re:It is not a planetarium by Petaris · · Score: 1

      I work for a K-12 school District and that is dead on especially in the elementary. They watch TV, play games, play one the computer, and now they are installing even more "learning" software on the computers so they have to teach even less. Education is just getting sad. And at the Middle school and High School you can replace that with sports. Academics isn't just in the back seat, its in the trunk. :(

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    6. Re:It is not a planetarium by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      >It is not a planetarium. It is an IMAX movie.

      I'm not going to argue with you about what the Academy of Sciences has become, but this thing is definitely a planetarium. The opening show is more movie than planetarium show, but so what? The fact that it can show movies doesn't mean it's not a planetarium.

      In fact, the opening scene takes full advantage of the spherical shape by showing the interior one of the other domes--I really thought I was "OUTSIDE" the planetarium for a second, which means it did exactly what a planetarium is supposed to do, IMHO.

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    7. Re:It is not a planetarium by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Did they have a schedule there of Planetarium programs? That's how the Planetarium at the old Academy worked -- a program would run for a few months and then get replaced. Some of them were quite good, though some were rather lame; I have no interest at all in Fragile Earth and wonder when it'll be swapped out for a new one.

    8. Re:It is not a planetarium by Stephen · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't see any indication of that. As you probably know, it's only been open a month at this point anyway.

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  17. WTF? by Farhood · · Score: 1

    FTA:
    "We're glad to know that with the real computation work, the engineers here turn to PCs. All of the other exhibits in the Academy are actually run on Mac Minis"

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?!

    1. Re:WTF? by andreyvul · · Score: 1

      It's supposed to mean that it doesn't run Linux.
      Quickly, ACs, start the planetarium bashing!

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    2. Re:WTF? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      sadly i think it means that for the most part, off the shelf programers come in PC, not mac.

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    3. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could install linux on it, bet you any money.

  18. Video Explanation by slifox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Found a video describing the planetarium tech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJewbEIzesE

  19. Good new museum. by Animats · · Score: 1

    Very nice. I've been waiting for the crowds to decline a bit so I can see the new museum without being run over by mobs of kids. It's good that people are actually going. Few went to the old California Academy of Sciences Museum, with dusty dioramas from the 1930s.

  20. Re:But does it have a 3 million projector? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

    i dunno, seems like a modest proposal to me.

  21. There is another, possibly operational sooner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.odyssium.com/mzt.htm

    I went to this one in the beginning of the summer.

  22. Re:Attention spans by tjscott · · Score: 1

    That's a plane'arium, not a planetarium

  23. Re:Attention spans by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

    actually it was only the guy running the slave labor that coun't say planetarium due to his disability of not bewing able to say the t in planetarium.

  24. But is it in stereoscopic 3D? by Shag · · Score: 2, Informative
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  25. Re:But does it have a 3 million projector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. His proposal might indeed be helpful in preventing the children of poor people from being a burden on their parents or country, and for making them beneficial to the public.

  26. Is this really so unique? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    There's one just like this in Milwaukee already, in the museum in town. I went about a year ago.

  27. Planetarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But its still not advanced enough. They need robot planetarians! Did they at least name the projector Miss Jena?

  28. Mcplanetarium by eronysis · · Score: 1

    Seems like an awfully expensive overheard projector to me.

    1. Re:Mcplanetarium by InfiniteLoopCounter · · Score: 1

      Except that it seems to do relativistic calculations in real time of the objects you are viewing and probably has a huge star/object database. So, you would need a fast processor/large storage as well as a fast and high-definition projector.

      Probably a bargain if it can get kids to see this stuff in action. It is hard to really conceptualize this sort of thing in your head when you are mechanically doing paper calculations (with only equations or simplified 2D diagrams that look/act nothing like the real thing) for assignments in secondary school/university. More people knowing intuitively what is going on physically when scientific words are tossed around can only be a good thing.

      In time, things like this planetarium might even pay for themselves several times over with new discoveries leading to new inventions, etc.

  29. Sega Homestar Anyone? by Sir_Dill · · Score: 1
    Sega Homestar.

    This is not a toy. It was actually designed by the same guy that created those professional star machines that look like some weird alien thing.

    It uses an LED so its efficient. It will run you about 300US on ebay. I don't have one, Have never used one. But as a real amateur astronomer I am extremely interested because unlike the cheap "star projectors" the homestar puts white stars on a black background instead of the other way around like most of the cheapies.

    It also has timer settings and can do a shooting star if you wish.

    Obligatory YouTube Link
    gadgeteer review
    I have also read that there is a new version coming out soon that will have stars in the correct colors for stars brighter than magnitude 4

  30. Most advanced? by dwater · · Score: 1

    I wonder what makes this more advanced than, say, the Beijing planetarium driven by six SGI IR4 pipes.
    A quick look through the article doesn't impress - well not from a hardware standpoint anyway. What did I miss?

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  31. It is not a fun-house. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    Fun would be playing Galactic Empire or Homeworld on this setup. Anyway the setup does have the potential to be educational AND fun (not diametrically opposed goals).

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  32. oldskool planatarium of Eise Eisinga by Tjeerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps it's interesting to see an oldskool planetarium built in the 1770's inside the house of the Frysian guy named Eise Eisinga. You can see some pictures here of the inside of his house and the planetarium.

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  33. They're kidding surely? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    "We're glad to know that with the real computation work, the engineers here turn to PCs. All of the other exhibits in the Academy are actually run on Mac Minis "

    so what's wrong with a Mac Mini? are they incapable of doing real computation work?

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    1. Re:They're kidding surely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Have you looked at the specs?

  34. Ahww, crap by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Funny

    My new state-of-the-art home theatre has been made obsolete by something better *already*? Upgrading time...

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  35. real-time? by laejoh · · Score: 0

    trip to the farthest reaches of the universe, all rendered in real-time

    Life's too short...

  36. Japanese 4D2U system is even better by StupendousMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The National Astronomical Observatory of Japan, in Mitaka, has a system called "4D2U" set up in a small building. It features dome about 20 meters wide with (if I recall correctly from my visit in the spring) 11 or 13 projectors. Most of the projectors face in one particular direction, the same direction which the seats face, so that the resolution and color balance are highest where people are looking. The team at Mitaka has written their own software to do real-time motion through space and time; it looks a lot like Celestia, and may be based in part on it.

    You can see details and download code for your own use by going to

    http://4d2u.nao.ac.jp/index_E.html

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  37. Futurama by thepotoo · · Score: 1

    Oh really? I don't see you with a fungineering degree.

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    1. Re:Futurama by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Fungineering? Damnit, I didn't even know that was an option when I was choosing a major!

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  38. It still won't cure... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    And yet, no matter how much money they spend it still won't stop a roomful of school kids from simultaneously groaning when you tell them "We are going on a field trip to the planetarium."

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    1. Re:It still won't cure... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Most kids liked the trips to the Planetarium. It was the other field trips they didn't like, though really just about any field trip was preferable to sitting in class reading textbooks.

  39. A bigger planetarium? by Looce · · Score: 2, Funny

    (The class learns that the planetarium is closed. Arnold steps to the front of the bus.)
    Miss Frizzle: Yes, Arnold?
    Arnold: Isn't there, you know, someplace else you could take us?
    Miss Frizzle: You mean, another planetarium?
    Arnold: Well, sort of, but bigger!
    Miss Frizzle: Bigger?
    Arnold: You know, the big one.
    Miss Frizzle: Oh ho! Arnold! Why didn't I think of that? T minus 5 and counting! Four, three, two, one, blastoff!
    Janet: What's happening?
    Class: A field trip!

  40. Sega Homestar by westlake · · Score: 1
    I've been thinking of buying a projector for my 3 month old son's bedroom
    .

    This delightful "toy" planetarium sells for $130-$170.

    $325 for the Homestar Pro. Moon Disk and three white LEDs for projection.

    Homestar Optical System, Sega Homestar Pro Home Planetarium

    Designed by Takayuki Ohira, [credited] by the Guinness Book of World Records as the builder of the "world's most advanced planetarium" for exhibitions and museums, it projects a realistic image of the heavens--over 10,000 stars--as they appear without light pollution. It can accept one of two high-resolution image disks that are illuminated by a bright LED built into the globe and projected onto walls or ceilings by an optical-quality adjustable focus lens, providing a completely accurate view of the visible band of the Milky Way galaxy seen from the Northern hemis phere. The planetarium has a whisper-quiet motor that slowly simulates the turning of the earth by making the image projected move across a wall or ceiling. It can also randomly generate a simulated meteor that streaks across the ceiling. Includes AC adapter. Ages 10 and up, meets U.S. Federal toy safety standards for lead. 6 1/2" Diam. globe with stand. (3 1/2 lbs.)

  41. Stupid question by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Okay, this may have been posted already, sorry if its a repeat, but the article describes it as similar to an IMAX dome, and that was my take when I saw it. So, my question is, why use 6 ultra-res DLP projectors? Why not just use one Digital IMAX projector? Is it because you just cannot generate material at that resolution in real-time?

    Just wondering.

    1. Re:Stupid question by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      I also just watched the video on Youtube. The resolution is only 3600x3600. This is not even 4k technology, which is used in most theaters, and yet we are projecting this onto this humongous dome. Last I heard, IMAX was 18k. I mean, at that resolution on a dome that big, wouldn't the picture be, well, pixilated? Those dots are going to be huge.

  42. Speech impediment by oraclese · · Score: 0

    I always thought it was pronounced plan-eh-arium.

  43. Denver has 11-megapixel demi-sphere for five years by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They shared video development with NYC Rose planetariam. Originally Denver was powered by a SGI supercomputer, but they switched to HPs after SGI stopped making new supers. Also they switched to a new 6-megapixel system with higher contrast (blacker blacks) and less frequent bulb replacements (monthly instead of weekly).

    The videos consist of solar system trip, a galaxy trip, black holes, meteors, astronaut training, several kalideoscopic light shows, each 20 minutes. Individual museums get grants to develop these video (Denver did black holes) and they are shared among digital planetariums. Some resampling-format may be required since different museumshave different projector counts.

    They also have a custom astronomy program that shows several hundred bodies in ot solar system at arbitray epochs and viewpoints. They use something similar to Google Earth and Google Sky. They use the first to teach geograph by first crusing over a spherical earth at orbital altitude, then swooping into locations of interest. Its pretty effective in the hands of a competent geography guide. The effect is immersive becasue the dome covers your entire field of view. So you feel like you are in a space ship leaping about the earth.

    I also seen many of the Mars Rover surface panaromas displayed in 360. When they do slow panning it feels like you are in car riding about Mars with your seat moving. It can be stunning.

    Since its pretty much kosher SGI Open software, my company hired it during a scientific convention a couple years back and displayed our seismic exploration visualization software in 11-megapixel immersive mode. And it pretty much worked with minor glitches (the cursor jumped between projector seems in funny ways).

  44. The most amazing thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that they have a closeup of a "nanoseam panel" where you can see the nano!