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Open-Source DRM Ready To Take On Big Guns

Barence writes "An open-source digital rights management (DRM) scheme says it's ready to supplant Apple and Microsoft as the world's leading copy protection solution. Marlin, which is backed by companies such as Sony and Samsung, has just announced a new partner program that aims to drive the DRM system into more consumer devices. 'It works in a way that doesn't hold consumers hostage,' Talal Shamoon told PC Pro. 'It allows you to protect and share content in the home, in a way that people own the content, not the devices.' When asked about the biggest problem of DRM — that customers hate it — he argued that 'the biggest problem with DRM is people have implemented it badly. Make DRM invisible and people will use it.'"

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  1. How can it be both effective and invisible? by Tetsujin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't get it... If DRM works, it restricts what you do. If it restricts what you do, it's not inivisible. How is this implementation different from any other DRM?

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    1. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by theaveng · · Score: 5, Informative

      I visited their website. It appears to be based on the tried-and-true "license" model where you must buy a license in order to use a program... or in this case, play a song. The obvious flaw is that is the server goes down, no more license.

      And of course licensing is typically an annual payment plan. I don't want to "rent" my purchased songs year-after-year-after-year.

      http://www.marlin-community.com/technology/how_marlin_works

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    2. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Line-out, line-in, patch cord. What's so difficult?

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    3. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by sammyF70 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You bought a copy of the song. the copy belongs to you, the original recording doesn't.

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    4. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by Hojima · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is exactly why it's so useless to prevent pirating of digital media. As long as the purchased information is streamed into an output device, it can be pirated. You don't even need software for it, as there can be hardware as such as monitors and speakers that can be rigged to record their output.

    5. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Line patch cords work... but it takes only a couple of minutes on google to find the answer...

      http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=11045

      dbpoweramp is an awesome program. by using that setup I can convert an entire book in a few minutes instead of taking the hours the book is long.

      Honestly, did you even try to search? I typed in audible to mp3 and it was link #5

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    6. Re:How can it be both effective and invisible? by theaveng · · Score: 3, Informative

      >>>Line-out, line-in, patch cord. What's so difficult?

      If Microsoft or the DRM disables recording the Line In at the same time as audio playback, then this technique would not work.

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  2. Re:How it's theoretically different by theaveng · · Score: 4, Informative

    No it works on licensing. You can copy the song as many times as you want, including over the internet with friends, but you can't use the song until you obtain a license.

    I hate licensing. It's too much like renting. I want to OWN the device, program, song, whatever; not rent it.

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  3. Re:How it's theoretically different by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're saying then that I can't loan a copy of a book I own to a friend or family member because it's copyright infringement. That's utter and complete bullshit.

    No, he's saying that can't make a complete copy of a book you own and give it to a friend or family member because it's copyright infringement. And he's right. The difference between loaning a book and "loaning" an MP3 is that once you'd "loaned" your buddy a song, he has complete access to it whenever he wants. More importantly, he has complete parallel access to it with you. Only one instance of the song was paid for, yet two people are able to enjoy its use at any time, perhaps simultaneously.

    If I have physical media that I legally purchased, I should be able to loan that media out to whoever the hell I want to, and it's nobody's damned business.

    Agreed. If you have an iPod with songs on it that you purchased, you should absolutely be allowed to lend someone that physical media -- that is, the iPod -- and let them use it as long as they want. And you can. You cannot, however, just send them the songs off your iPod, for reasons stated above.

  4. Not "open source" by lucas_picador · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article linked here is the only place on the web that makes the peculiar, and false, claim that Marlin is "open source". Marlin's own creators make no such claim; they only claim that it operates on "open standards", which is quite a different can of worms.

    No story here, just one careless reporter and one careless ./ submitter.

  5. Breaking the law? Them's fighting words, part'ner by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Now I'm against piracy, but claiming something as broad as "invisible to people who aren't breaking the law" is BS.

    For example, from what I understand, you only need to try playing t on a device which isn't "Marlin-enabled", for it to become very visible right there. I fail to see what counts as "breaking the law" if I merely take my bought song and try to play it on my old car stereo. Care to explain?

    2. How _do_ you enforce a DRM without locking access to certain parts of the "pipeline"? E.g., if I can use open-source sound drivers, what's to keep me from writing an un-DRM-ed .WAV to disk of their music? E.g., if I can play it in a self-compiled music player, what's to keep me from writing the decrypted stream from the player instead of playing it? Etc.

    That's why MS's "trusted computing" insists on authorizing and authenticating every single bit of your computing, starting from the CPU. And you can't have a signed program that you can change, recompile and have it still stay signed.

    So basically they _have_ to restrict what drivers, software, etc, you use, or they can't guarantee enforcing that DRM. And as soon as you, say, went the OSS route and recompiled anything, again, it _has_ to become very visible. Because as soon as the binary has changed at all, you no longer know whether it now has a backdoor which extracts the binary stream.

    _But_, and here's the important part, the binary changes even if you didn't do anything devious there. If I, say, decide to play with these stupid drivers and make them able to play multiple streams like under windows (Gnome and KDE do come with daemons that do that mixing, but natively it isn't available) it necessarily produces a different executable.

    So, again, care to explain what's illegal or "breaking the law" if I decide to tweak my sound drivers on this here Linux machine? I mean, FFS, even MS's FUD at its darkest hour stayed clear of claiming that doing any OSS work is criminal.

    4. I thought that it was up to the courts to decide if a law has been broken? Just a thought. Deciding a priori that anyone running into trouble with a particular piece of retarded software is a criminal, is rich. The whole fundament of the western justice is based on such ideas as establishing exactly what happened, the degree of evil intent ("mens rea"), hearing the other side's half of the story too, etc. It seems to me that deciding a priori that, basically, anyone doing things differently than you imagined is automatically a criminal, goes against pretty much everything that justice stands for.

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  6. Even easier... by gravyface · · Score: 5, Informative

    Set your recording device to be "wav" or "what I hear" or something similar in your soundcard's mixer's "recording" view. Grab Audacity, hit record, then hit play on *insert_audio_source_here* No signal loss from using the physical outputs.

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    1. Re:Even easier... by Snospar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wish I had mod points right now as the above comment is a top tip often overlooked by people.
      You can use VLC in a similar manner to play-and-record "troublesome" DVD's.
      Keeping everything in the digital domain cuts out any interference from the digital/analogue conversion stage.

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    2. Re:Even easier... by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      Set your recording device to be "wav" or "what I hear" or something similar in your soundcard's mixer's "recording" view.

      Secure Audio Path (Windows XP) or Protected User Mode Audio (Windows Vista) is mixed into the output after the "what you hear" patch point. But line-out to line-in works just as well, and the quality loss is negligible for a typical overcompressed pop song.