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OpenOffice.org V3.0 Sets Download Record, 80% Windows

thefickler writes "The newest version of OpenOffice, version 3.0, has set a download record in its first week of availability. Most surprising is the fact that over 80% of downloads were from Windows users. As one commentator noted, when it comes to a choice between almost identical software (e.g. Microsoft Office and OpenOffice), price is the determining factor."

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  1. Package Managers? by QBasicer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question here is do the download numbers also reflect copies downloaded with package managers such in Linux distros such as Gentoo and Ubuntu, or does it only count people that only actually go to the webpage to download? The way Windows users and Linux users tend to get software these days tends to be a little different, where windows users expect going to the website, downloading, and using an something like Install Shield to install.

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    1. Re:Package Managers? by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 5, Informative

      while gentoo may have an openoffice 'overlay'(not a gentoo user so that may be the wrong term) most ubuntu users will have to download the deb manually (either from here or a third party repo (cant think of any for ubuntu) or wait for 9.04

      oh and from TFA

      Only 221,000 downloads by Linux users were recorded, leading John McCreesh, head of marketing for OpenOffice.org, to suggest a massive undercount. McCreesh said 90% of Linux users traditionally receive OpenOffice.org updates straight from their Linux distribution's vendor, which would explain the relatively low Linux count.

      but that would still give windows >66% (assuming os x makes up 0%, which is possible due to neo office)

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    2. Re:Package Managers? by bonch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your question is answered in the link, which says the numbers are skewed. Thus, this announcement is a bit of misleading marketing on the part of OpenOffice.

    3. Re:Package Managers? by EvilRyry · · Score: 4, Informative

      Semi-offical PPA for intrepid: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive

    4. Re:Package Managers? by niskel · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's in Gentoo; I have been using it for a few days...

    5. Re:Package Managers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's in Gentoo; I have been compiling it for a few days...

      There, fixed it for you

    6. Re:Package Managers? by De+Lemming · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (assuming os x makes up 0%, which is possible due to neo office)

      Now that OpenOffice has native support for OS X, I switched from NeoOffice to OpenOffice 3. I don't see the need anymore for an extra layer above the original software, and releases which lag behind those of OpenOfiice. I suspect a lot of Mac users are doing the same.

    7. Re:Package Managers? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      McCreesh said 90% of Linux users traditionally receive OpenOffice.org updates straight from their Linux distribution's vendor

      but that would still give windows >66% (assuming os x makes up 0%, which is possible due to neo office

      Let's do the math. The official site sees (scaled down) 2 linux downloads and 8 windows downloads. For every 1 of these linux downloads, there's 9 downloading from the distro archives instead of the official site.

      That gives us 20 linux downloads, 8 windows downloads. Or just above 25%. How did you come up with 66%?

      Even if it's just 25%, that's a fair slice; this means that the plan of moving people over to open-source apps first and moving the OS out under them later has not been shown to be infeasible: windows users are moving to the open-source apps.

      Only 221,000 downloads by Linux users were recorded

      So just shy of 900,000 windows downloads? That's quite good.

      I won't say "we're winning!!one!11ty", but some cautious optimism is probably in order.

    8. Re:Package Managers? by porl · · Score: 5, Funny

      nonsense. there is no such thing as binary packages for gentoo... it's a myth and you know it. i'll have you stop perpetuating those lies right away if you please.

      porl

    9. Re:Package Managers? by dwater · · Score: 4, Funny

      hrm...2hrs for a 2 yo laptop

      so, I guess 1hr for a 1 yo laptop

      I see a pattern :)

      If I buy a brand new laptop, it'll be compiled instantly, right?

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  2. 80% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is 80% surprising? The article makes it sound like that's high, but Windows has more than 80% of the desktop market, so it's still a lower percentage.

    1. Re:80% by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt OOo3 was downloaded by the majority of Windows users.

      And I doubt that it was downloaded by the majority of Linux users also.

      Most Linux users prefer to upgrade software using the channels for their distrobution. None of my 3 systems have been upgraded to OOo3 yet, but they will be, as soon as it shows up in the repos.

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    2. Re:80% by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is 80% surprising? The article makes it sound like that's high, but Windows has more than 80% of the desktop market, so it's still a lower percentage.

      In fact, I think 80% is surprisingly low.

      First off, we really shouldn't count Macs as part of the equation. I haven't checked recently, but for a long time, OOo's support for MacOS X lagged way, way behind. It was essentially unusable.

      So of OOo's potential audience, I would guess 99% would be Windows users, 1% Linux users. I would therefore expect 99% of OOo downloads to be the Windows version. Not only that, but a lot of Linux users probably aren't going to download it from the OOo web site, they're going to get it when it becomes the default through their distro's packaging infrastructure, and therefore they presumably won't be counted in this statistic. Let's guess (pulling numbers out of my rear end, I admit) that 90% of Linux desktop users won't downloaad directly, and will get it via their distro. So based on these factors, I would have expected the percentages to be more like 99.9% Windows and 0.1% Linux, a ratio of 1000 to 1.

      It's actually pretty darn depressing that the Windows figure is as low as 80%. That's a 4:1 ratio rather than the 1000:1 ratio I would have expected. That suggests that the Windows market for OOo is hundreds of times smaller than it would be based merely on the market share of the operating systems. Some possible interpretations, none of which are pretty:

      1. The Windows users who have never heard of OOo outnumber those who have, by hundreds to one.
      2. For every Windows user who's willing and able to switch, there are hundreds of others who can't, because it's impractical for them. (E.g., they don't get to choose what's on their computer at work, or they have too many documents already in Word format that they're afraid would be a huge hassle to convert 100% correctly.)
      3. For every Windows user who thinks OOo is better than MS Office, there are hundreds who hold the opposite opinion.

      I wouldn't be surprised of #3 captured the essential truth of the situation. OOo is one of the worst pieces of OSS I use. I've searched systematically for something better, and haven't found it. At this point, I feel like OOo was a dead end that had the unfortunate effect of killing off interest in competing OSS office software.

    3. Re:80% by Niten · · Score: 5, Informative

      First off, we really shouldn't count Macs as part of the equation. I haven't checked recently, but for a long time, OOo's support for MacOS X lagged way, way behind. It was essentially unusable.

      No, we have to count Macs. One of the big bullet points on the OpenOffice 3 release notes was its new native Aqua support on OS X.

  3. Price a determinating factor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People don't want to spend money on something they can get for free? That's amazing! Seriously, I know I'm not working at the only company that is getting ready to dump Microsoft Office. It's pretty sad when you realize that the vast majority of your workers would be happier going from Office 2003 to OpenOffice than going to Office 2007.

    1. Re:Price a determinating factor? by Potor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's EXACTLY why I downloaded OOo 3, and use it at home. I was so pissed off that market dominance made me switch from WP to Word, and that the time I spent learning Word has been wasted, since MS changed almost everything around. My desktop at work still has an older version of Word, but my home machine, a company-supplied laptop, has 2007 installed.

      I know I am preached to the converted, but that was the worst marketing decision they could possibly make, imho.

  4. "Almost Identical"? by coryking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that like saying a cordless phone and a cell phone is *almost* identical because they both make phone calls?

    Or did I just get trolled by the summary?

    1. Re:"Almost Identical"? by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have a point. I would conjecture that the dissimilarities of OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Office 2007 are one of the driving factors in OpenOffice.org's adoption.

    2. Re:"Almost Identical"? by westlake · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You have a point. I would conjecture that the dissimilarities of OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Office 2007 are one of the driving factors in OpenOffice.org's adoption.
      .

      MS Office 2007 has been doing quite well in the real world:

      The Microsoft business division, which includes the Office suite of software, grew 20% to $4.95 billion. Microsoft's Profit Rises, But Outlook Is Damped [October 24]

      20% growth in one quarter. If the tech sector as a whole is in the ICU with double pneumonia, Microsoft has a case of the sniffles.

      Microsoft Office 2007/8 holds 4 of top 25 slots in software sales at Amazon.com.

      In the retail market, Microsoft Office is bigger than games.

      It is bigger than anything.

      "Here's the really interesting statistic," said Chris Swenson, NPD's director of Software Industry Analysis. "Over two-thirds of the dollar volume growth in the U.S. retail PC software market in 2007 can be attributed to Microsoft Office. The ratio of Office dollar growth to total PC software growth is 67 percent." The Year of Office 2007

      The geek tends to quote the max price for the retail box that he can find - and it can be useful to insert a correction.

      Office Home & Student is about $100 at Amazon.com, with a three seat license.

      The price of four ink jet cartridges - and if you can't afford the consumables, you can't afford the office suite, at any price.

      The direct sale academic price for Office Ultimate is $60. The Ultimate Steal If your employer has a volume licensing agreement with Microsoft, Office for home use is the price of the media plus S&H. Home Use Program

  5. I haven't got it yet, not in repository yet. by apathy+maybe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OpenOffice.org 3 sounds like it's going to be great. And I'll start using it as soon as it shows up in the Ubuntu repository and I get prompted to update. Until then, I guess I won't. I guess that a lot of other people are having similar thoughts. (Not to mention, consider the number of MS Windows users compared to all non-MS Windows users, of course the majority of downloads are going to be for MS Windows.)

    As for price, price is not a factor in me not using MS Windows (I just don't like it compared to GNOME, etc.). However, given the choice between MS Office and OpenOffice.org, it is.

    However, it isn't the only thing, I just prefer OOo. I've been using it for a good number of years (and the only thing that used to piss me off was not being able to word count selections, they fixed that), and I've gotten used to the little quirks.

    It also does things simply better! Take creating a business card, MS Word doesn't even come with a template for that job! (Not that OOo makes it easy... Why no bottom and right margin setting?)

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    1. Re:I haven't got it yet, not in repository yet. by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Informative

      You'll be waiting a while. Ubuntu won't have OO.o 3 until next April.

      Long story short: upstream delays made it miss the Intrepid feature freeze.

  6. Almost identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been scorched before on slashdot for praising MSOffice, but again I beg to disagree that this is a "choice between almost identical software".
    The functionality, features and ease of use of MSOffice (as compared to Open Office) still make it far superior.
    Particularly, the new interface of MSOffice makes it much easier and intuitive to use (for most users) compared to any other office automation software.

    1. Re:Almost identical? by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you are a veteran user of the 97-2003 line who used the suite for basic stuff. Then OpenOffice.org looks far more attractive.

    2. Re:Almost identical? by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. I have used Word and Excel for ~15 years. I'm not what I'd consider a "power user," but I've grown comfortable with the UI and basic features over this time. Since approximately version 2.0 or 2.1, I haven't felt the need to use the real Word or Excel even once. The Oo equivalents have been able to replicate the functionality of Word/Excel without fail to the point that I don't even bother installing Office anymore. I have also switched over various family members and a few small businesses (sub-50 employees) with nary a complain about missing functionality.

      I'm sure there are folks out there that can point to some obscure features of M$ Office products that they rely on, but I think the vast majority of us fit into the mold of users that just use the basic features. I can't imagine needing or wanting to spring for another M$ Office license again.

      Cheers,

  7. PPC-based Mac users have to wait too by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Informative

    For some reason, OO.o isn't providing a PowerPC build of OpenOffice 3.0 in English. You can get 3.0 in French or Japanese, but the latest English build is 2.4. During development of 3.0, PPC builds have been provided by a third party, but they seem to have stopped at 3.0rc4. I wonder why.

  8. Re:Does this beat Firefox's record by Firewing1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope - Firefox had roughly 8 million downloads in a single day, versus the 3 million OO.o 3.0 downloads in the first week.

  9. Re:Almost identical? Not quite. by aurelianito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should have sent a PDF instead and avoid all the problems.

  10. Apathy trumps price for most users by celest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    when it comes to a choice between almost identical software (e.g. Microsoft Office and OpenOffice), price is the determining factor.

    Actually, I'm currently doing my Master's thesis on this exact topic, namely the switching barriers between Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org. I'll post a summary of the full empirically assessed results to Slashdot when the study is complete. Currently, however, it looks like that Apathy is a much stronger factor than price. In fact, the author of the article hints at this:

    In the past, it's always been included on my computers which is fine

    Another important factor which I have hypothesized (and the literature suggests is accurate) trumps price is user inconvenience. Most users will pay to avoid hassle of any sorts. Further, most users will pay to avoid PERCEIVED inconvenience, even if, in reality, there would be no inconvenience. The FEAR of inconvenience is enough to make them continue to pay.

    If you would like more details about my empirical research on this subject, feel free to contact me. A paper on the subject will be published by the Open Source Business Resource in the spring.

  11. Insensitive clods by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an English speaking PPC OS X user, you insensitive clod. I finally gave up waiting and grabbed the Spanish language version. But there still in no English version for OS X on the PowerPC.

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  12. Re:Almost identical? Not quite. (MOD PARENT UP) by kklein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are going to flame you and call you stupid, so let me just head off some of their inevitable criticisms:

    You should have checked!

    No, you shouldn't have had to have checked. Besides, this assumes that you still have to have MS Office and OO.o, and isn't the whole point of this bru-ha-ha to say that you don't need MS Office if you have the free and wonderful OO.o? No, Word did not screw up your CV. OO.o does not export to Word correctly. It's OO.o's responsibility to properly support the de facto industry standard.

    You should have sent a PDF!

    Okay, smart guys, you try sending PDFs instead of Word documents. There are still lots of moronic HR departments (well, are there any other kind?) who don't even know what they are. The first time I started sending those, I got a call back from an angry HR person saying "We don't take scanned CVs!" I was honestly confused. "I'm sorry, but that is just a PDF of my CV. It's not scanned." "We have to be able to search the text. Please send us the original Word document."

    Well you know, and I know that you can very well search the text of a PDF, but that isn't the point; the point is whether HR knows, and, as I think I've already established, those people are borderline retarded.

    Also, a lot of places actually request .docs. If OO.o can't produce them correctly, then you look like an idiot. In my case in the above story, where I was requested to send a .doc? It meant I had to get ahold of MS Office, because I'd been using (and liking) OO.o for a year. Hell, the next problem I had was that I had my "letterhead" in my header in Word, and an HR guy called me complaining that I'd used a "gray font," and that it was no wonder I didn't have a job if I didn't know how to format a Word document correctly. "It's conventional to make your name and address legibile to the person looking at your CV," he said. So I went back and reformatted all of that stuff by hand, like an idiot who can't use software. In all of these cases, I did the right thing. In none of these cases was the company itself really to blame. They might have been nice places to work. But when you're applying for a job, you first have to get through the imbeciles in HR who stand guard at the gate. Anything that they don't understand--and that's a lot, it turns out--is going to get your CV tossed in the bin.

    Why would you want to work somewhere that wants .docs and doesn't worship at the throne of OSS???

    Because he needs a job so he can, you know, eat.

    OO.o is damn nice for being free, and I really liked some of its features that are missing in Office. But, in all honestly, Office does more better and is the industry standard.

    And finally, to all the people going on about having to pay for PDF export? Um, sourceforge up yourself some PDFcreator. It's free. I've been using it for years without issue.

  13. Re:Something better than OOo by beav007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    what-you-see-is-a-bit-like-what-you'll-get editor

    That's better than the WYSIWTF that Frontpage managed...