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Kazaa Founder Wants Us To Find "Legitimate" Files

Just because I'm an writes "The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Kevin Bermeister and Michael Speck have been developing technology to return search results on file sharing programs that point to pay-for content from the copyright holders. The article reports that there are trials planned for Australian ISPs, with interest from elsewhere on the globe."

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  1. kill it by Smelly+Jeffrey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    kill that dead horse

    1. Re:kill it by theaveng · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kill what? Kazaa? Nah. It still has a useful purpose, even as "only" the second most-popular method of filesharing.

      >>>When an ISP's customers use a file sharing program such as LimeWire to search for a pirated music track, they are instead presented with a list of search results containing legitimate versions of the song and are given the opportunity to buy it instantly.
      >>>

      I think this is a good solution. Not that I would buy the song, since I prefer uncompressed CDs, but still it's a good way to remind people that there are legal methods of obtaining entertainment. An even better idea would be links to free websites. If for example someone searches "Heroes", they would be directed to either nbc.com or hulu.com where the show is available for free (but legal) viewing.

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      FOX NEWS.com should be BANNED from television and internet. Have the Congress take it over and give us Truespeak.
    2. Re:kill it by whoda · · Score: 5, Funny

      It has a useful purpose as a Spyware infection delivery device.

    3. Re:kill it by risk+one · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you serious? A good solution? The ISP not just throttling my traffic when I use a P2P program, but actually modifying it, to show not what the application I'm running should show me, but something they think I ought to see. That's worse than DRM, that's worse than most things they've come up with so far. This isn't a creative solution, it's a a fucking man-in-the-middle attack. And all of it on a very dodgy definition of illegality. Downloading is not illegal (just making the material available) so searching definitely isn't illegal. So I'm doing something that's not illegal, and they start interfering with my traffic because they think it would be 'better' if I downloaded some other version.

      What if I already own the cd? What if I don't want DRM-laden crap? What if they got it wrong and I did actually want free content? Come to think of it, it would actually be quite lucrative for them to accidentally set their threshold too high, so I can't find my free content through all the paid-for DRM'ed content. Any ISP that implements this completely betrays their customers trust and deserves to die quickly.

  2. What planet are these people on? by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What planet are these people on?

    If people want to pay for it then they'll go to iTunes.

    If they do not then they will use another P2P system instead.

    Having the ISP intercept and redirect their traffic will only annoy the consumers and damage the reputation of the ISP. Much like the trials of Phorm in the UK - which has lead to customer desertion and legal challenges.

    I wonder if the people who come up with such stupid ideas even use the internet sometimes.

    1. Re:What planet are these people on? by iosq · · Score: 5, Funny

      What planet are these people on?

      Australia We seem to be the Guinea Pigs for half these retarded plans.

    2. Re:What planet are these people on? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Want to know why?

      A "western" "developed" (capitalist) country, English speaking (in the main), and a relatively small population. Things can be tested out and tried, and if there are objections, then these can be taken into consideration before (if) the product ever makes it to market.

      Potentially pissing off 21 million people is a lot better then potentially pissing off 60 million or 300 million.

      Why not New Zealand? Well, maybe less then five million people means that the sample size isn't quite big enough? I don't know.

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      I wank in the shower.
    3. Re:What planet are these people on? by Sleepy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice way to damage your own argument, by introducing off-topic and irrelevant "socialist/democrat" McCain flamebait.
      At least get your terms straight. :-)

      Socialism, BTW, is when the state controls corporations.

      When corporations control information (and the state, since people don't like information control) it is called "fascism". Fascism shares a lot in common with 'mercantilism', the system of corporate rule in the Colonies which lead to the Boston Tea Party, and so the USA.

    4. Re:What planet are these people on? by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wait wait Pro-IP and the Patriot act was pushed by which party?
      Oh yeahhhh, every senator that initially voted against the patriot act or abstained was a democrat. In final call 62 dems and 3 reps voted against it. In renewal 124dems and 13reps voted against it. For Pro-IP 29dems opposed/abstained 23reps opposed/abstained.

      So maybe you should think about who has been trying to control the populace (not saying either side is good but...).

      Also: "Anyway, I was under the impression that this new idea merely offers the suggestion of legal methods, like watching "Lost" at abc.com..... it doesn't block access to a bittorrent of Lost if that's what you actually desire." i suggest you RTFA ....
        "In plain English, that means when people search for illegal pirated files they will find only legal versions, which they may then buy. The legal version is delivered by the ISP, which receives a cut of the revenue, and the charge is added to the customer's monthly internet bill."
       
      Also from the article they practically Godwin themselves. "the technology can be used to block child-porn searches" somebodythinkofthechildren.

  3. Not interested by owlnation · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those Kazaa folks cheerfully installed adware and spyware on users computers for personal profit. It's worth remembering this when they say anything. They are greedy, selfish, mindless jerks, and most certainly can never be trusted whatsoever.

    1. Re:Not interested by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll install Kazaa on my system right after I install Realplayer, Quicktime, and an exe file some nice Nigerian prince sent me.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:Not interested by ksd1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to install Bonzi Buddy. And I can send you some really cool smileys for free!

  4. Don't mess with my searches by TheP4st · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA:

    "When an ISP's customers use a file sharing program such as LimeWire to, for example, search for a pirated music track, they are instead presented with a list of search results containing legitimate versions of the song and are given the opportunity to buy it instantly."

    The day my ISP start manipulating my searches is the day when I cancel my subscription and move to greener pastures.

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    "I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records, why would I care if somebody downloads ours?" Robin Pecknold
  5. Sign me up! by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Funny

    FTFA:

    "Files that aren't present on the list of illegal files are not blocked or impeded in any way."

    Great! I'll just take your word for it then.

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    Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
  6. "legitimate" != "paid for" by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yahoo! had their music search, and I was incredibly disappointed that it simply refused to return any free (as in beer) content. A friend of mine (Joe Frew, I wrote about him in the old K5 Paxil Diaries) had another friend host dozens of his original songs, I linked them from my (now defunct) web site, and you could not find these MP3s on any search engine!

    Google is just as bad, even though they're getting better; tha last time I searched "Huckleberry Finn" (in the public domain) the first three hits were Amazon and the like. This is IMO incredibly shoddy.

    There are literally thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of songs out there in myriad places whose artists WANT you to hear.

    Trying to sell bits is insane, actually "buying" bits is even crazier, as crazy as buying a bottle of water when there's a perfectly good drinking fountain handy. Don't sell bits, sell the medium that stores the bits! If you're a band, sell tickets and merch and use your bits to make fans.

    Nobody talented ever starved or was forced into another profession from copyright infrinegent, but many talented folks have starved or been forced out by obscurity.

    BTW, there are thousands of FREE MP3s, OGGs, SHNs and FLACs on archive.org. If Kazaa's founder wants to go legit, he should make a service that allows us to find the truly free songs. If I want to hear the top 40 I'll just turn the radio on.

    1. Re:"legitimate" != "paid for" by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with free indie music is that it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. The existing studio system might suck as gatekeepers (these were the people who gave Britney Spears a recording contract, after all). But at least when you see a studio-signed recording artist you get SOME assurance that the album will at least be professionally produced and that the artist has SOME talent (Ashley Simpson and Kelly Osbourne aside).

      If indie music is to really overthrow the studio system, the field needs some form of gatekeepers. Mere word of mouth isn't enough (too many really talented artists will be ignored in favor of talentless hacks who just happen to have a lot of myspace friends).

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:"legitimate" != "paid for" by eiapoce · · Score: 2, Informative

      Suggest this to your friend:

      http://www.jamendo.com/ Jamendo is a website with free, legal and unlimited music published under Creative Commons licenses. You can loose one or more weeks listening to the traks there... all legit and free.

  7. Kawhazaa? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People still use Kazaa? I gave up on that lame duck the moment I realized that 99% of all songs listed where just 15 minutes longs recordings of static, screeching noise and one highly interesting instance of a 7 seconds long recording of Madonna saying "You stupid F***!!!"

    1. Re:Kawhazaa? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who would have thought that a classy lady like Madonna would have such a potty mouth? I guess nursing homes really do change people.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  8. Almost got it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want a system that consolidates searching and links to all freely licensed content. There's plenty of it, if you know where to look, and it's all I need. It's just kind of a pain to track it down.

  9. Target Audiance? by FrostDust · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think people searching on P2P networks for free music are willing to acquire the same music at a higher price.

  10. Well, I already paid for it... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bought a full Pink Floyd set when I was younger.

    now all the cds are scratchy and doesn't want to play anymore.

    Nevertheless, if I am to believe the editors screechs, what I really bought is a licence for those songs...

    => I shouldn't have to buy full price for a new set, they should sell me the cds at cost of plastic and I just exchange them with the ones I have. Or I can argue that I have the RIGHT to download them, as I already have a licence for them.

    Don't believe me ? Have a look at Walt Disney dvds. They are the only ones that propose a replacement disk at cost because they only sell you a licence to view...

    =>Then the editor turns out a REMASTERED version ,which is covered by another licence, and that I don't have the rights for. The version I had is not findable in the market anymore, the editor changed names or something else, and I cannot get a replacement disk. Which they never offered in the first place.

    Also I pay a tax on every recording medium I buy, to compensate the copies I will make for my private use, as I do not resell them.

    Astonishingly the law doesn't recognize this tax as a blanket licence for use as a person. They want us to pay the tax and then pay an additional blanket licence.

    So the market is skewed in favor of the editors that make it so that you have to pay and pay again FOR THE SAME THING.

    A form of racket...

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    It takes 40+ muscles to frown, but only four to extend your arm and bitchslap the motherfucker
  11. Why not New Zealand. by professorguy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Why is Austrailia the incubator for the new fascism? Two words: Rupert Murdoch.

    Where ever his media has significant market share, the population has made wild swings toward corporatism.

  12. CC/XMP by c_g_hills · · Score: 2, Informative

    It occurred to me that one could use Creative Commons in conjunction with XMP (metadata tagging) to construct a peer-to-peer network for easier sharing of legitimate files combined with attribution.

    More information about XMP and CC:-
    http://wiki.creativecommons.org/XMP