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Judge Tells RIAA To Stop 'Bankrupting' Litigants

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The Boston judge who has consolidated all of the RIAA's Massachusetts cases into a single case over which she has been presiding for the past 5 years delivered something of a rebuke to the RIAA's lawyers, we have learned. At a conference this past June, the transcript of which (PDF) has just been released, Judge Nancy Gertner said to them that they 'have an ethical obligation to fully understand that they are fighting people without lawyers ... to understand that the formalities of this are basically bankrupting people, and it's terribly critical that you stop it ...' She also acknowledged that 'there is a huge imbalance in these cases. The record companies are represented by large law firms with substantial resources,' while it is futile for self-represented defendants to resist. The judge did not seem to acknowledge any responsibility on her part, however, for having created the 'imbalance,' and also stated that the law is 'overwhelmingly on the side of the record companies,' even though she seems to recognize that for the past 5 years she has been hearing only one side of the legal story."

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  1. It's too bad by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too bad that our legislators aren't as honest and bright as this judge. Too bad that the mainstream media always sides with the MAFIAA; but it's not surprising, considering the same people who own the newspapers, TV stations, and radio stations also own the major record labels and movie studios.

    The way American campaigns are financed it's a wonder we have any freedom at all. I'm thinking of the movie Brazil and the old TV show Dinasaurs with its "WeSaySo Corporation".

    I'm still trying to figure out how to tell if a file I want to download is one its creator wants me to have, or one that may get me sued and bankrupted. Ray, maybe you could use this angle in a court case?

    1. Re:It's too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Too bad that our legislators aren't as honest and bright as this judge.

      Yeah, uh, no. The judge basically said "this is wrong, and I'm not going to a damned thing about it."

      The judge has bent over backwards to make the trial as one-sided as possible. This statement is just meaningless hot-air, since the judge has absolutely no intention of doing a damned thing about it.

      I'm going to quote directly from the linked article - part of it is already quoted in the summary, but this part is important:

      [Ed. Note. While it is heartening to see Judge Gertner show some recognition of the unfairness in the way these cases are being handled, it is unclear how she can say that the law is overwhelmingly on the side of the record companies when she recognizes that for the past 5 years she's only been hearing one side of the argument. It is also disheartening that she evidences no recognition of how she has herself contributed to the "imbalance" by consolidating all of the cases, thus (a) providing the record companies with massive economies of scale not available to the defendants, (b) providing virtually untrammeled ex parte access to the Court on all common legal issues, and (c) creating a one-sided atmosphere in the courthouse that causes all defendants to abandon hope. How can Judge Gertner conclude that the settlements have come about because the law is on the record companies' side, when she knows full well that the reason the settlements have come about is that there is no economically viable way for defendants to defend themselves? -R.B.]

      I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, it is Boston, the city that rewarded its police for demonstrating "valor" when they opted to not kill an MIT student who had a few blinking LEDs on her shirt...

    2. Re:It's too bad by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I can't figure out is how these statutory damages could ever be considered constitutional. The Eighth Amendment is short and sweet, and pretty damn clear in its meaning:

      Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

      Any person with even the slightest shred of decency can see that fining someone 10,000 times the value of an item they misappropriated is excessive.

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    3. Re:It's too bad by Fennario · · Score: 5, Informative

      Regarding the Eighth Amendment, the Supreme Court has held the "excessive fines" clause inapplicable to civil jury awards of punitive damages in cases between private parties, "when the government neither has prosecuted the action nor has any right to receive a share of the damages awarded." (Browning-Ferris Industries v. Kelco Disposal, Inc., 492 U.S. 257 (1989)) Therefore, while leaving open the issue of whether the clause has any applicability to civil penalties, the Court determined that "the Excessive Fines Clause was intended to limit only those fines directly imposed by, and payable to, the government." (Id. at 268.)

  2. Why should copyright-breakers have it easier? by mi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    understand that they are fighting people without lawyers... to understand that the formalities of this are basically bankrupting people

    Why should someone accused of copyright infringement have it any easier (cheaper), than someone accused of running a red light, or breaking a contract, or committing a felony (tort, civil, and criminal examples mixed here deliberately)?

    The judge is part of the Judiciary, that slowly made litigation a very expensive option — heal thyself, and consider awarding legal expenses to the winners, whoever they are, by default (rather than by special request, as happens now).

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    1. Re:Why should copyright-breakers have it easier? by yincrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What about the falsely accused?

    2. Re:Why should copyright-breakers have it easier? by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why should someone accused of copyright infringement have it any easier (cheaper), than someone accused of running a red light, or breaking a contract, or committing a felony (tort, civil, and criminal examples mixed here deliberately)?

      The other day, my girlfriend got a ticket in the mail saying "You were double parked, pay us $50. Your car wasn't there to give you the ticket, so we're sending it in the mail"

      So you're right. This gross violation of rationality doesn't stop at copyright violations. It's spreading, and it needs to stop.

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  3. Re:With friends like her .... by pilgrim23 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This so reminds me of the tobacco cases that, once won, the wining lawyers turned around and sued the very people they represented because they wanted a bigger share of the blood money..
    Somehow the Judge chiding RIAA weasels seems like a morality lesson from the Sopranos...

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  4. Judge did not create the situation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The judge did not seem to acknowledge any responsibility on her part, however, for having created the 'imbalance'"

    What are you talking about? No, because she didn't create the imbalance. The legislators and litigants created it. The legislators by creating the relevant laws, the RIAA created it by suing people, and the people being sued provoked the RIAA by allegedly sharing the files in question. Copyright law exists to stipulate who is within their rights and who isn't, and the judge is there to PRESIDE over the case and the decision, the procedure for which is also constrained by law.

    The imbalance exists because the RIAA has loads of money and the people they've decided to sue don't. Did the judge establish that situation? No. To imply that she's at fault for even hearing the case is silly (it's her job), unless you think the case shouldn't be heard simply because one litigant has loads of money and the other doesn't. It would be an interesting precedent.

  5. Re:Background by bob_herrick · · Score: 5, Informative

    I believe the point is that the record companies are repesented by lawyers, hundreds of lawyers, who are trained in the law, and who have experience not just in the strategic use of the law, but in its tactical uses as well. The strategic uses include choice of venue, points of law to be briefed and argued, witnesses to prepare and examine, etc. The tactical uses include the taking of depositions, issuing subpoenas, and requiring access to documents and accountings. All of this can be arcane and difficult to fathom for a non-lawyer, and compliance can be expensive. Non-lawyers are at a disadvantage in both depolying these strategies and tactics and in executing them to the satisfaction of a court. It is not that the defendants were not permitted to speak. It is more as if they could not find the right words to say.

  6. With replies like this .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    needs personal pronouns?

  7. Re:Summary is Inflamatory and Unforgiving by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Summary author is a Lawyer who has been fighting the RIAA for years now. I believe he does understand the role that judges fill, one is to make sure that the court is fair to both sides.

    Thank you, Gutboy. I've actually written an article about the very issue of the economic "imbalance" in these cases, and the unlevel "playing field", Large Recording Companies vs. The Defenseless: Some Common Sense Solutions to the Challenges of the RIAA Litigations. It was written for the "equal access to justice" issue of the ABA Judges Journal.

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  8. Re:With friends like her .... by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Interesting

    " companies are represented by large law firms with substantial resources,' while it is futile for self-represented defendants to resist. "
    ..." lawyers turned around and sued the very people they represented because they wanted a bigger share of the blood money.
    "

    It's a symptom of a broken legal system when self representation is "futile" and legal fees become "blood money". Yes, some might argue that lawyers are expert, trained professionals, so it only stands to reason that it would be futile for an untrained citizen to stand against them in court. That argument would make perfect sense if you were talking about pros vs joes in a different venue like sports or some industry specific contest. But the purpose of a court room isn't to determine the best performance or find a winner and a loser. A courtroom is a place to find the truth in a legal or civil dispute. Now is some of the participants are unskilled at the labyrinthine dance of courtroom etiquette, then the process should merely become less efficient at determining the truth, not less accurate. That this is not the case show a onerous flaw in our system. A flaw which has allowed lawyers to become a elite class within our supposedly egalitarian society, just look at their pay scale and tendency to become government officials.

    I realize that I am idealizing what our courtroom and legal system should be, but we have to pursue idealism in our societal systems to minimize the damage done by the imperfect humans that take part in those systems.

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