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Optical Fiber With a Silicon Core

Roland Piquepaille writes "According to the Optical Society of America, U.S. researchers have been able to create a practical optical fiber with a silicon core. As they were able to use the same commercial methods that are used to develop all-glass fibers, this might pave the way for future silicon fibers as viable alternatives to glass fibers. The scientists note that this should help increase efficiency and decrease power consumption in computers and other systems that integrate photonic and electronic devices. Here is a good summary by the lead researcher: 'In the past, we've needed one structure to process light and another to carry it. With a silicon fiber, for the first time, we have the ability to greatly enhance the functionality in one fiber.'"

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  1. Optical + Silicon + The Internet is for...? by Syrente · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's a boob joke in here, somewhere.

    1. Re:Optical + Silicon + The Internet is for...? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Funny

      There would be if people made breast implants out of a semiconductor.

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    2. Re:Optical + Silicon + The Internet is for...? by FinchWorld · · Score: 4, Funny
      There's a boob joke in here, somewhere.

      Its slashdot, theres a boob joke everywhere.

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    3. Re:Optical + Silicon + The Internet is for...? by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You guys (Parent and Grandparent posters) are a couple of boobs.

    4. Re:Optical + Silicon + The Internet is for...? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. We are not so much interested in a silicon core as much as a caramel nougat core.

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  2. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the underlined text in the summary is called a link. Click it and you will see what is called TFA. It actually explains some of the potential advantages of the silicon core.

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  3. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    glass is silicon dioxide. Silicon is pure Si.

  4. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Well, for one thing, glass is transparent.

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  5. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    Glass is typically an amorphous oxide SiOx. TFA says this is crystalline.

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  6. Just How I Like My Women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... with a silicon core.

    1. Re:Just How I Like My Women by Kjella · · Score: 1

      ... with a silicon core.

      Well, at least you should have no problem finding a woman with a cold metal heart. Well, not more so than the other kind anyway since the chance is the same.

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    2. Re:Just How I Like My Women by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Going after the robo-ladies, AC?

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  7. Good! Just what the doctor ordered! by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    More fiber!

    1. Re:Good! Just what the doctor ordered! by pilgrim23 · · Score: 1

      with a chewy nugget inside!

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  8. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by kmac06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So is silicon, at for infrared wavelengths.

  9. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TA. "Usually an optical fiber is made by starting with a glass core, wrapping it with a cladding made from a slightly different glass, and then heating the structure until it can be pulled out into long wires. This works well enough, but for some wavelengths of light, a core made of pure crystalline silicon, like the one developed by the Clemson team, would better carry signals. Additionally, crystalline silicon exhibits certain nonlinear properties (in which the output is not proportional to the input) that are many orders of magnitude larger than for conventional silica glass. This would, for example, allow for the amplification of a light signal or for the shifting of light from one wavelength to another. The development of a silicon fiber opens the way for signal processing functions that are currently done electronically or in separate optical circuits to be performed directly inside the fiber, which allows for more compact, efficient systems."

  10. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Glass is made from silica, which is silicon dioxide. This, on the other hand, is pure silicon crystal. So, it's different in many ways, just as aluminium is different from corundum. Although admittedly silicon crystals are closer to glass than a beer can is to a ruby.

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  11. How do they do it? by tsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, I've read TFA. Now all I want to know is: how the hell do they make many many kilometres of crystalline silicon? Amorphous Si, OK, I can understand, but getting it crystalline is amazing. Or do they mean polycrystalline? Wouldn't that ruin the optical properties?

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    1. Re:How do they do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glass and fused silica is amorphous so I assume that amorphous Si can still guide light. What would matter is how the electro-optics works if it's amorphous and how fast they can make them. I agree that polycrystalline would just ruin everything.

    2. Re:How do they do it? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      The silicon crystals they grow for wafers are huge these days. Presuming that they draw it out the same way that they do traditional fiber optic cable, they'll get plenty of length.

      A BIG optical fiber is 100 microns across (0.1 mm). A big wafer is 300mm. So they stretch down over 3000 times in size, which should give you 9 MILLION times the original length, unless my math fails me. I don't know how long the crystal is that they grow these days for wafers, but one only half a meter long should go a long way at that diameter...

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    3. Re:How do they do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... crystals don't stretch, yo.

    4. Re:How do they do it? by mapsjanhere · · Score: 4, Informative

      the wavers are actually sliced out of big single crystalline cylinders; making the cylinders bigger was what slowed the progress of waver growth. I don't think you can "draw" the crystal in a conventional sense, but since the material is extremely clean, it should recrystalize back into a single crystal out of the melt.

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    5. Re:How do they do it? by smaddox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was wondering the same thing. Silicon is not a glass, and cannot be stretched like a glass can.

      Glasses have very fuzzy 'melting points'. In other words, they just get gooey rather than becoming a liquid. Silicon on the other hand, has a well defined melting point, and is not gooey.

      Now, silicon crystals ARE grown inside of SiO2 lined graphite crucibles. So, I imagine that they might be able to melt the silicon inside of a Si02 layer, and stretch both. Then, when it cools, the silicon will form microcrystals. So, it wouldn't be crystalline, but it would still be transparent to photons with energy below 1.1 eV (wavelength greater than 1.1 um).

    6. Re:How do they do it? by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 1

      Well, we don't really encounter the melting point of glass because even at room temp it is still a liquid, heating it just makes it less viscous.

    7. Re:How do they do it? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Hasn't this "glass is a liquid" bullshit been debunked countless times?

    8. Re:How do they do it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I meant I wasn't sure how long the single crystal that they slice the wafers from is. They can slice them to about 18 mils - if they want the wafers thinner they have to do an additional step, backgrinding or such. They can get 'em all the way down to 1 mil these days, though the smallest I've seen in production is about 3 times that. Quite flexible at that thickness. At the show, they guy will wrap the wafer around on itself to demonstrate flexibility.

      Am I off-topic yet? :)

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    9. Re:How do they do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it should recrystalize back into a single crystal out of the melt.

      but all different parts will start crystallizing simultaneously and result in part-crystalline part-amorphous structure.

    10. Re:How do they do it? by tsa · · Score: 1

      No, as far as I know it hasn't. It doesn't have a clear melting point, as someone else mentioned already, and you can't crystallize glass whatever you do.

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    11. Re:How do they do it? by CapnGib · · Score: 1

      on both counts, you couldn't be more wrong

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    12. Re:How do they do it? by GanjaManja · · Score: 1

      From the Paper, as referenced in the article, on OpticsExpress:

      2.1 Fiber fabrication
      Three tubes of optical quality silica were sleeved concentrically to yield an overall cladding
      with outer diameter about 50 mm and inner diameter of 3.5 mm. A section of bulk silica rod
      was joined to one end of this tube assembly to act as a seal for the silicon core, which would
      be molten during the draw. This approach to layering of concentric tubes was utilized since a
      single glass tube of those dimensions was not commercially available. Such a thick-walled
      cladding tube was chosen to mitigate potential issue with the weight of the molten silicon
      leaking out or otherwise deforming the softened cladding glass during the draw.
      A rod of silicon measuring about 3 mm in diameter by about 40 mm in length, which had been
      core drilled out of a Czochralski-grown single crystal boule, was sleeved into this end-sealed
      silica tube assembly

    13. Re:How do they do it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      So it looks like they start with a silicon crystal in the middle of glass with a silicon crystal end cap. Then they melt the Si in the glass, leaving the endcap intact and do the draw. I suppose at that point they cool the fiber, which would cause a crystal to propagate from the seed (endcap).

      Or did I read that wrong?

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  12. ohnoitsroland!! by Smidge207 · · Score: 1, Informative

    I think most of you are aware of the controversy surrounding regular Slashdot article submitter Roland Piquepaille. For those of you who don't know, please allow me to bring forth all the facts.

    Roland Piquepaille has an online journal. . . . It consists almost entirely of content, both text and pictures, taken from reputable news websites and online technical journals. He does give credit to the other websites, but it wasn't always so. Only after many complaints were raised by the Slashdot readership did he start giving credit where credit was due.

    Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends serves online advertisements through a service called Blogads, located at www.blogads.com.

    Before we talk about money, let's talk about the service that Roland Piquepaille provides in his journal. He goes out and looks for interesting articles about new and emerging technologies. He provides a very brief overview of the articles, then copies a few choice paragraphs and the occasional picture from each article and puts them up on his web page. Finally, he adds a minimal amount of original content between the copied-and-pasted text in an effort to make the journal entry coherent and appear to add value to the original articles. Nothing more, nothing less. Now let's talk about money.

    This leaves Roland Piquepaille with $647 each month.

    It appears that every single article submitted to Slashdot by Roland Piquepaille is accepted, and he submits multiple articles each month. As of today, it is clear that ten articles were accepted in October, six in November, and four in December (so far). See http://slashdot.org/~rpiquepa [slashdot.org] for yourself. Some generate lots of discussion; others very little. What is clear is that, on a whole, this generates a lot of traffic for Roland Piquepaille. Just over 150000 hits each month according to Blogads. And the higher the traffic, the higher the advertisement rates Roland Piquepaille can charge. So, why do the Slashdot editors accept every single story from Roland Piquepaille? Is the content of his journal interesting and insightful? Of course it is, but not by Roland Piquepaille's doing. The actual content of his journal is ripped from the real articles, but at least he gives them credit now. Does the content of his journal bring about energitic discussion from the Slashdot readership? Yes, because the original articles from which he got his content are well written and researched and full of details. So you may be asking, "What is so controversial about this?" Well, in almost every single article submitted by Roland Piquepaille, Slashdot readers complain that Roland Piquepaille is simply plaigarizing the original articles and .

    Slashdot should instead link to the original articles. In essence, avoid going through the middle man (and making money for him!). The Slashdot readership that can see through Roland Piquepaille's farce objects on the basis that he stands to make a generous amount of money by doing very little work and instead piggy-backing on the hard work of other professional writers. Others argue that he is providing us with a service and should not be ashamed to want to get paid for it. But exactly what service is he providing us with? He copies-and-pastes the meat of his journal entries from professional and academic journals and news magazines and submits about seven or eight of these "articles" to Slashdot each month. Is this "service" worth up to $647 a month? Or, does each "article" represent up to $80 of work? . . .

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    1. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by gnick · · Score: 1

      As of today, it is clear that ten articles were accepted in October, six in November, and four in December (so far). See http://slashdot.org/~rpiquepa for yourself.

      Umm... What? I count 6 in October and none yet for next month or the month after. Did someone forget to proof-read his copy-pasta?

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    2. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by jcnnghm · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Why do you care so much that he makes a little bit of money for his effort? The stories he posts are usually on topic, interesting, and somewhat obscure. It's a shame the commentary is always clouded by the whiners. The people that continue to bitch about this really should just get over it already.

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    3. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      So he's an aggregator. So is Google News, so is Slashdot. He makes money at it. Get over it.

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    4. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by clem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see how unfair it is that Roland Piquepaille should receive compensation for what effectively is online research. It's at least as fair as Slashdot, a for-profit company, getting loads of free online research from article submitters.

      How do you lose out by his $80 an article?

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    5. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He copies-and-pastes the meat of his journal entries from professional and academic journals and news magazines

      Some mods call this "karma whoring", but this is slashdot, and who wants to navigate through 10 pages just to RTFA when half of the participants don't even read the fuckin' articles? :)

    6. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      it's perfectly fair. What isn't fair is the number of articles submitted vs accepted ratio, for most slashdotters this is simply 0, roland p. seems to have an inside line that pretty much guarantees acceptance of his articles, no matter how flimsy. To see this in action have a look at the firehose and how much content there is available of better quality and more relevance (and dare I say more original) than rolands drivel, and yet, his gets selected every time.

    7. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Thats okay, the other half don't understand it.

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    8. Re:ohnoitsroland!! by hannson · · Score: 1

      I looked at that blogads.com site and found it extremely hard to navigate, very raw etc... turns out that adblock+ disables the CSS on the site because it containst "ads" in it :-p

      just my 2c

  13. no mention of durability?? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    will this new silicon fiber be more durable and less fragile than glass-fiber?

    if not, what's the point?

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  14. I think his question was fair... by PortHaven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read the article and even did a quick google and did not gain any insight.

    However, a Slashdotter replied to his question:

    "glass is silicon dioxide. Silicon is pure Si."

    And now I have learned something...woo-hoo!!!

  15. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice, cheaper FIOS in the near future.

  16. Linear Computing? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    Linear computing perhaps? Much more interesting than wearable computing. Reading TFA made me imagine multi-strand silicon core cable, one core being a sort of stacked CPU, another core being RAM, inductive bus (semi-conducting insulation perhaps?) another core power, one a colossal shift register, another a sort of EPROM for archival storage, etc. Why send bits along the wire when the wire could supply the bits directly? Wire archive?

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    1. Re:Linear Computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >wire archive
      Oh no no no no.

      "Wirechive."
      Be right back, patenting to do.

  17. Arrogant editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why in hell are you people still running Roland stories? You really don't care what your readers think, do you.

  18. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet unfortunately, there is no better analogy, since the only other semiconductor that people have heard of is carbon, and we all know that the oxidized form of carbon is very different from glass (at stp, anyways).

  19. Re:Dear John McCain: +1, Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1 offtopic
    +1 informative

  20. Re:how is glass different than silicon? by SaintOfAllChucks · · Score: 1

    Optical fibers are made out of Fused Silica (SiO2) and typically have a germanium doped core. As someone that does research with optical fibers I am very interested to look at their findings and see what research ideas I can come up with.

  21. Cheaper net for the aussies by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first thing I think of when I hear increased efficiency is not "oh great now my GBIC's will save a few mW of power" it's "that's great for international communications". The reason is a big part of the cost of an undersea cable is the boosting equipment and the weight and bulk required to provide power to them.

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  22. Hitchhiker by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

    Does this mean the Earth is a giant computer powered by lightning? :)

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  23. The real advantage... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    ...lies in the accentuated non-linear effects of Silicon over glass. As the article states, frequency-shifting and other optical processing feats can be performed in the fiber instead of having to do the photon-electron-photon dance. This makes WDM signal generation/detection much simpler. Imagine doing all the functions of one of these by choosing the right frequency-shifting fiber. The industry could standardize on a single laser frequency (193.10 THz) and insert DWDM signals by using fibers that shift the frequency by multiples of 25/50/100 GHz.

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  24. big leap to computing by GanjaManja · · Score: 1

    from the OpticsExpress paper:
    "measured propagation losses were 4.3 dB/m at 2.936 μm"
    100x more than regular fiber, at wavelengths we don't use for communications... I'm not sure if I see how this is useful.
        I suppose it's cool to have a Process to make Si-core fibers, but it's not like computer chips need 2 km of fibers inside, and it's clearly not useful for C-band optical communication,

    Seems like it's just a buzzword due to "Silicon" being placed nearby "photonics".

    *maybe* you can couple to chips better, simply because light's more tightly confined by the high-index Si?

    1. Re:big leap to computing by kooma · · Score: 1

      from the OpticsExpress paper:
      "measured propagation losses were 4.3 dB/m at 2.936 μm"
      100x more than regular fiber, at wavelengths we don't use for communications... I'm not sure if I see how this is useful.

      Actually, it's worse. You failed to note that these guys measure in dB/m, whereas typical fiber losses are in dB/km...

  25. Debunking the "glass is a liquid" myth by LionMage · · Score: 1

    Hasn't this "glass is a liquid" bullshit been debunked countless times?

    Yes, it has.

    Here are some links:

    http://sciencegeekgirl.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/liquid-glass/
    http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/5_30_98/fob3.htm
    http://www.thefoa.org/tech/glass.htm
    http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html

    This urban legend has been thoroughly debunked. An amorphous solid (which is what glass is) is still a solid.

    As for the other posters in this thread and in parallel branches who claim that there's no melting point for glass... this is also factually untrue. See this article for details.