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Examining the Role of Video Games In the US Election
Gamasutra is running an article discussing the influence of games and gamers on the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections. The connection, while minor, is continuing to strengthen, from allowing people to register to vote through their consoles, to in-game advertising, to games about and involving the candidates. However, it may still be an uphill climb as media-sharing becomes easier. From Gamasutra:
"There are reasons games have grown slowly compared to other technologies for political outreach. The most important one is also the most obvious: since 2004, online video and social networks have become the big thing, as blogs were four years ago. Instead of urging voters to 'play my game,' as Loftus and I surmised, candidates urged their constituents to 'watch my video.' Online video became the political totem of 2008, from James Kotecki's dorm room interviews to CNN's YouTube debates."
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Why oh why must the online media trot out these "gamers change the world" stories. Gamers are not special. The games they play are not special. Some gamers are geeky recluses, but they would still be geeky recluses without their games. Some gamers are not geeky. The games don't have any magic special effect on people, and gamers certainly don't have any effect on society as a whole. This stuff is all just hype.
When you play a game, you play a game. THAT'S ALL. You don't suddenly develop special "cultural zeitgeist" powers. You remain what you always were: an insignificant converter of oxygen and food into energy and poo poo. Gaming does not rock society. Society plods along, wars still happen, booms and busts, new bosses that are the same as the old boss, never ending one-hit-wonder girl bands etc etc
Just because we can game on the internet nowardays doesnt mean gamers are plugged into national or international current affairs and just because you can save your game doesn't mean any gamer ever made history. Gamers, get your right hands out of your pants, and get over yourselves. If you cannot enjoy your "duke blastem" or whatever without contriving megalomaniac/oninistic fantasies and spilling them all over the web, perhaps you should try another hobby. How about doing some charity work - that might help you regain some persepctive.
Awesome turn based strategy game, it used to let you pick any of the Candidates running in either primary, I dont know when they changed it, or what else they changed.
http://www.kongregate.com/games/thup/campaign-game
http://kotaku.com/5071682/sarah-palin-to-shoot-moose-obama-in-mercs-2
Pretty clever advertising, I must admit.
So, Barack Obama doesn't think it's "fair" if some people make more money than others, so he wants to redistribute your wealth. But his campaign has brought in significantly more donations than any other campaign. Did he consider that fair? Did he redistribute it to Hillary Clinton in the primary? Did he redistribute it to John McCain in the general election?
Meanwhile, his definition of "rich" has gone from $250k to $150k and will undoubtably drop again, while his timeline for troop withdrawal (didn't Nancy Pelosi promise it in 2006?) has gone from 1 year to 5+ years.
Doesn't seem to me like games are a good medium to spread your political messages - after all, games are... well, games. You play them to have fun, not to be fed loads of political horsecrap. Those so inclined may as well analyze, event after event, the ideological backgrounds of each turn taken by the game's story, but seriously, that's not where the "entertainment" bit is at. And gamers are there for entertainment.
Looks to me like a non-story.
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I'm voting for a Cyberdemon to be president!
This joke fails on so many levels. Firstly, I'm English so I can't vote. Secondly, there aren't any cyberdemons standing. Thirdly, even if a cyberdemon were to stand they'd probably be an independent standing for a niche Military/Satanic party so it'd be a bit of a waste. I can't imagine cyberdemons are very interested in environmental or economic policy. And lastly, and perhaps most importantly, cyberdemons aren't real so you can't vote for them anyway. Mind you, nor is Sarah Palin. I don't know who thought her up but that joke has gone way too far already...
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>>>James Kotecki's dorm room
It's good to see teens and college-aged persons getting involved, but the facts remain, they are the smallest group in terms of voting. They are too easily distracted by other things (homework, classes, parties), and often skip going to the booth on Election Day.
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We're doomed.
...then they'll matter. That and I'll stop playing video games. I mean can you imagine a video game based on the US election? You can play Palin with her bimbo stupidity blast....or Macaine who's old age ray bores the enemy to death....or you can play token black man Obama who confuses his enemy by sounding like Osama. Yeah that's a game I'd play...after a lobotomy.
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The thought of people registering to vote through an XBox is frightening.
But the thought that most such voters will be too caught up in GTA to actually leave the house makes me feel much better!
Well, the Republican revolution was founded originally in the video game M.U.L.E., which, espoused a free market approach and showed the futility, through play, of trying to manipulate markets. But then, the new generation of gamers leans left because of SimCity, where they play a sometimes benevolent government in a dictatorial role.
let people express their own opinions of the candidates?
http://www.moviestorm.co.uk/MSDB/ContentPackPageServlet?id=26
"There are reasons games have grown slowly compared to other technologies for political outreach." - Yeah, no one would buy them...or pirate them for that matter.
Whoever can get me one of those Crysis nano-suits first wins my vote!
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A really interesting game, where you get to fight for your side no matter what it is, and get to win the election not by having the better message but by rigging the game is this:
http://www.redistrictinggame.com/
You have a 2d grid of squares; for each square, you have a population count and a distribution between blue, red and white. You have to form n connected components (n is given, typically 4), with roughly equal population counts, such that:
- in level 1, true
- in level 2, your guy wins (you pick either red or blue at the outset)
- in level 3, the red and blue have enough votes to shut everybody else out
- in level 4, you have 65% blacks in one area
- in level 5, you learn how it all can be fixed.
Think of it as a "Help America Vote For Me Act" :)
Just wait for next election's ramp up, when the Tron Paul video game is released. Then we'll all find out whether these people were right. http://www.xkcd.com/497/
Except for gamers it doesnt affect anyone, save their immediate families.
There was a great game for the Commodore 64 about running a presidential election.
It was pretty simple, but it involved putting money in various states and campaigning and stuff.
Anything remotely like that available nowadays? Or should I just go back to yelling at kids that are on my front lawn?
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This may be pants, but here is an amusing look at the US voter preferences inside World of Warcraft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Kg-K7em20
It was produced by Sandeep Parikh, who plays Zaboo on the YouTube hit The Guild, and has his own game-inspired web video comedy, The Legend of Neil.
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Gamers as some sort of social group may not be particularly special, but the use of game-like setups for rhetorical purposes has been greatly underexplored. Like most media, it will probably eventually differentiate into different areas, like how you can currently watch films designed for entertainment, films designed to inform, films designed to persuade, and many other kinds of films.
In fact, the author of this article has a book-length treatment of the subject (Persuasive Games, MIT Press, 2007).
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You could rewrite your post to say "films" or "video" also. People go to YouTube to be entertained by silly videos about cats, not to be fed loads of political horsecrap. People see films to be entertained by Hollywood special effects and love stories, not to get some sort of political message. Oh except those aren't true. People do go to YouTube to be entertained mostly, but that doesn't mean they (or other people) can't also go to YouTube to watch political videos. That a medium s primarily used for entertainment doesn't mean that nobody can ever use it for anything else.
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I think there would be a HUGE market for Duck Hunt 2: Dick Cheney's Revenge. Extra points and achievements for hitting your targets in the face.
Seriously, making a video game about the opposing candidate could become a whole new way to get younger demographics thinking about politics and candidates...or at least shooting at them. Who's up for a round of Super Obama Bros. ?
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I was sure this was going to examine voter participation among gamers given the proximity of the release of WotLK to the US elections in November...
Your perspective is skewed. It would actually be more accurate to say everyone else's perspective is skewed, but perspective is one of those weird things that's defined by mass perception (since it reflects public opinion).
You know this. I know this. It still needs saying, because there are a lot of people out there who hold outdated stereotypes. You know the ones, too -- all gamers are 13-year old boys -- and once upon a time (say 10, 15 years ago) they were more true than not. Problem is, too many non-gamers haven't got the message that things have changed.
Well, how are they supposed to find out about this? Thru video game communities? They don't play video games. The fact that many gamers are politically active is news to some people, and they need to be told this or they come to antiquated "get off my lawn" type conclusions. And everyone loses when that happens.
Of course, it IS a good question why this belongs on Slashdot. Arguably it isn't "news for nerds" (it isn't news to us) but it is "stuff that matters". Unless you think it's great that Jack Thompson is one of the only voices on this subject.
Unfortunately, he is not eligible to be on the ballot. His second term expires in January, and he's not allowed to run again.
Gamers don't get to do it with anyone, especially their dead brother's wife, and if they did they wouldn't pull out. They'd keep it in for MAXIMUM PWNAGE!!!1one
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