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OpenBSD 4.4 Released

Linux blog writes "The new version of OpenBSD is available for download. There are lots of nifty new features to try out including OpenSSH 5.1 with chroot(2) support, Xenocara, Gnome 2.20.3, KDE 3.5.8, etc. Machines using the UltraSPARC IV/T1/T2 and Fujitsu SPARC64-V/VI/VII are now supported. It seems amazing to me that they keep delivering these new results on a six-month release cycle."

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  1. Congratulations by norbot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Congratulations to the OpenBSD team. BSD is far from dead!

    1. Re:Congratulations by grub · · Score: 4, Informative


      I've used OpenBSD for many years (early 2.x days). Before asking questions on the list it helps to gooooogle and read until your eyes are bleeding. OpenBSD has (IMHO) the best manpages of any *nix system I've ever used. The FAQ and How-Tos on the site are excellent as well.

      I've had a few replies from questions I've answered both on and off-list and the people have always been helpful. That includes the few exchanges I've had with Theo over the years.

      In short: exhaust your reading and searches before asking questions on the lists. The OS is free, but developers' time is limited.

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    2. Re:Congratulations by compro01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      KDE 3.5.9 was released February 19, 2008.

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    3. Re:Congratulations by Anpheus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed. When publishing bug reports, mind you, Ubuntu and a few other communities are the exception to this rule, I find nothing but hostility. Suspicion that I'm making it up, that no matter how competent I profess myself to be, it's my problem. It's a hardware issue (effecting just one piece of software,) when Pidgin randomly deleted my buddy list and then kept it deleted, it was entirely AOL's fault. In reality, I suspect Pidgin incorrectly parsed the buddy list sent which works flawlessly for millions of users and clients (including Trillian) worldwide, and then interpreted that as my 'new' buddy list.

      I can't stand the arrogance of most open source developers I've associated with. To be fair, I can't stand the ambivalence most closed source companies have towards their users. Flash Player 10, for example, won't install on Windows unless you have -a- C:\. If you installed Windows onto a spare hard drive, it is given a different drive letter (such as E:\, in my case.) If I didn't have another disk that I could re-assign to C:\, or if I were a less technical person, I could not install Flash Player 10. Interestingly, from installing the trial of Adobe CS4 (the designer tool,) it was the only program that failed to install. I tried to contact Adobe and was told that support would come with a fee. WHAT? I am reporting a bug and they want to charge me money to elevate my call.

      Maybe I just hate other programmers? Perhaps Jean-Paule Sartre should have said, "Hell is other programmers."

  2. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Something like FreeBSD is very similar to Linux although they lack a good pre-built distro like Ubuntu. Hardware support in Linux is better.

    OpenBSD on the other hand performs poorly and is several years behind in certain OS features. In the case of hardware, it's many many years behind Linux (they only relatively recently even got multiple CPU support). Then there is the issue of the many arrogant asses that think they are somehow better than everyone else even though they're basically just off working in some corner in the dark working on already outdated ideas. Of course you find people like that all over but when they run the whole project it can really be a turn-off.

  3. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by torstenvl · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is not flamebait. I encourage moderators to read the guidelines at http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml

    Bad Comments are flamebait. Bad comments have nothing to do with the article they are attached to. They call someone names. They ridicule someone for having a different opinion without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words. Bad comments are repeats of something said 15 times already making it quite apparent that the writer didn't read the previous comments. They use foul language. They are hard to read or just don't make any sense. They detract from the article they are attached to.

    The parent did use "a name" but it was not an insult so much as voicing the consensus judgment of the behavior of the leader of OpenBSD, Theo de Raadt. de Raadt is, in fact, an "arrogant ass[]"; if a moderator thinks this is calling names rather than an accurate description, I encourage that moderator to peruse the history of Slashdot articles about de Raadt, perhaps starting with http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/17/127206

    Thank you and let's all try to make Slashdot a better and more interesting place.

  4. Re:why bother with 6 month release cycle? by this+great+guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those SPARCs are 4 year old machines.

    No, the UltraSPARC T2 was released in October 2007.

  5. Re:why bother with 6 month release cycle? by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

    T1s aren't quite three years old yet, and T2s have only been out for just over a year.

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  6. A site geared towards Linux user, to learn OpenBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This site is geared towards Linux users that want to learn OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd101.com/

  7. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by QuoteMstr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, OpenBSD's performance is behind that of Linux and FreeBSD (which are neck-and-neck.) However, performance is still quite adequate. OpenBSD has a kind of austere simplicity, however, that makes it a pleasure to administer. It certainly has a niche.

  8. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative

    Linux doesn't take anything from BSD. Everything in Linux is free for BSD to use as long as the code stays free, ie under the GPL. While if apple takes code from BSD, you will never see that code again.

    Every bit of BSD code that Apple uses is still available from them (either under the original license, or the OSI approved APSL).

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  9. Re:EOL cycle by Blackknight · · Score: 2, Informative

    Normally you don't NEED to upgrade it. Set up the device and forget about it, unless there's some type of remote exploit you'll be fine.

  10. Re:KDE version by calidoscope · · Score: 2, Informative

    The quality of most Linux-oriented code leads to a great deal of time spent porting it to other systems

    While I can understand why OSS developers would be content if they can just get their code running on Linux, they do miss out on the debugging opportunities inherent with porting to other systems.

    The other aspect is that the OpenBSD team would like to make sure they are not introducing more security holes with the "latest and greatest" from the various projects. Something like KDE or Gnome could be loaded with hard to detect security holes.

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  11. Re:EOL cycle by imus · · Score: 2, Informative

    CARP. Google upgrades backend stuff all the time, but you never know it. OpenBSD does CARP better than anyone. Try it. I can re-install in less than 10 minutes. Sparc64 or Intel machines. No one is aware as services are still available.

  12. Re:KDE version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, they don't, they audit base, not ports.

  13. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by menkhaura · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let me just point out that PC-BSD's kernel is the very same FreeBSD, nothing related to OpenBSD; let me also just point out that the standard FreeBSD distribution combines the advantages of Gentoo's (customizing the building of packages to your needs or desires) and of Debian (superb dependency tracking, very fast on searches, always up-to-date (if you consider Debian Unstable)).

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  14. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by cbhacking · · Score: 3, Informative

    PC-BSD, like DesktopBSD, is FreeBSD based. Don't confuse FreeBSD and OpenBSD - they share many userspace utilities and their kernels have some common history, but they are not the same OS.

    Basically, OpenBSD is the one that is rabid about security - makes great server software.
    NetBSD is the ultra-portable one - good for unusual hardware.
    FreeBSD has excellent support for commodity hardware. It is the one used to make the user-friendly distros.

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  15. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 5, Informative

    > What does Linux take from BSD? All those vendor supplied drivers? The userland? The vast array of high quality filesystems?

    The overwhelmingly dominant SSH implementation?

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  16. Re:KDE version by OmegaBlac · · Score: 5, Informative

    They audit every line of code they ship, including the external stuff they don't write.

    I keep seeing this, but it is not entirely correct. According to their own FAQ they do not audit ports or packages to the same degree as the base system. One must assume that the "external stuff" has not been through an audit at all when installing a port/package.
    http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Intro

  17. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by laffer1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes and don't forget the other three since you're trying to be complete:

    DragonFly BSD - clustering (freebsd 4 fork) good for servers.

    MirBSD - OpenBSD fork (3.x i think)

    MidnightBSD - FreeBSD 6.x fork (although bringing in 7.x features now) Focused on desktop use. Not at PC-BSD usability levels yet.

  18. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by Warped-Reality · · Score: 2, Informative

    Spend $20 on a new ethernet card? I used a cheap off-the-shelf realtek on openbsd for years. On a Sun SPARC, no less.

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  19. Re:Package security? by incripshin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anonymous cvs access is done over ssh, and the public keys are listed on the OpenBSD website. The ports tree includes checksums, and these are all verified automatically. So if you check the ssh key of the cvs server, all your ports are safe.

    As for pre-built packages from FTP, I don't think there's anything in place for verification.

  20. "Assumption is the mother..." by RT+Alec · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wasn't that one of the bad guys in "Under Siege: 2"?

  21. 4.4 song by c0nst · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's the song with lyrics for this release: 4.4: "Trial of the BSD Knights" http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#44

  22. Re:Mebbe I should try it some time by Anpheus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple releases the free code if and when it chooses to, sometimes only after repeated prodding. Apple is very likely going to be on the bad end of a lawsuit regarding GPL violations because there are still versions of XCode that they have never released the GCC source for (XCode 2.5 I think? I don't recall which.)

    Apple regards the open source community as a convenience, not as partners.

  23. Re:KDE version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They don't put it through the same rigorous auditing that goes for the kernel and the core parts, but they do a lot of parameter checks, and run code examination software. Also, because it's somewhat a fringe OS, uses slightly different libraries, and has *very* aggressive security features built into those libraries (StackGhost, ProPolice, W^X, random mmap and PID allocation, etc), they find a larger volume of bugs in multi-platform software as compared to other software projects (they usually submit platform-agnostic bugfixes, but since the maintainer of glibc refuses to implement strlcat and strlcpy, and most of the bugs can't be easily reproduced on more mainstream systems, there is rarely a fix applied upstream).

    The upshot of this is that the OpenBSD version of a program is almost never less secure than whatever version Linux distros are putting out, and very often is much more secure, and stable.

  24. Re:Rock Solid by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    man acpithinkpad. man apm.

    Yes, it works fine.

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  25. Re:KDE version by jggimi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps you're thinking of another OS? Polipo 0.9.9 was added to the tree on 24 September 2005.