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Netflix Extends "Watch Instantly" To Mac Users

CNet is reporting that Netflix has opened up its "Watch Instantly" feature to Mac users (here is Netflix's blog entry). They accomplished this by using Microsoft's Silverlight technology on both platforms, abandoning the Windows Media Player solution that had been employed in the first, Windows-only, version. Silverlight's DRM capabilities meet Netflix's needs, apparently. Netflix warns that this is beta software. Mac users can opt in here, then watch instantly with Safari or Firefox 2+, with the Silverlight plugin in place. Movie selection is somewhat limited.

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  1. DRM pushes Silverlight by Hannes2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am really afraid of DRM giving Silverlight power and more distribution (and vice versa). While Flash has (or will have?) DRM capabilities too, another "competitor" on the DRM market could really make things even worse than they are.

    1. Re:DRM pushes Silverlight by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am really afraid of DRM giving Silverlight power and more distribution (and vice versa). While Flash has (or will have?) DRM capabilities too, another "competitor" on the DRM market could really make things even worse than they are.

      On the contrary, more "competition" in the DRM realm is the best way to make things better than they are.

      competing formats == more people frustrated and screaming "why the hell isn't this working" at the top of their lungs.

      Of course, base silverlight without the DRM packages will work just fine at doing that. In fact, that's my guess at why it "meets their requirements".

      Nothing makes a more "secure" drm than a codec and playback system with arguably the lowest market penetration and adoption rate as of this post. Security by obscurity at its best.

      In the mean time, there's a better competitor to netflix for those who want their full HD movies in a watchable, savable, and compatible format.

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  2. "Movie Selection is Limited"? by TiberSeptm · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't seem to differ from the normal instant watch selection. Obviously that selection is limited in that it does not encompass the entire Netflix library- that would be infeasible regardless of the player being used.
    As far as I can tell, the beta allows access to the full instant watch selection that IE users would see. The player loads and buffers much quicker than the player in IE7- allowing for much faster skipping forwards and backwards on the old P-IV in my living room. The performance difference is fairly pronounced on my relatively new laptop. Under Firefox it is consistently 15 seconds from clicking "play" while browsing instant-watch to the actual start of the video. In IE7 it will take between 30 seconds 45 seconds. Video quality is indistinguishable in terms of clarity, but I noticed much less stuttering in the silverlight player.
    On the old pentium IV machine in my livingroom, the time to play drops from about 1 minute to 25 seconds. While this is half the time, it was never a big deal when compared to the convenience. What is a big deal is the impressive drop in stuttering compared to the player in IE7. On my dinosaur of a living room computer, the video for all netflix movies would stutter every few seconds or so until the movie was fully buffered. In the silverlight player, there is no noticeable stuttering.
    I did this totally subjective, non-scientific, arbitrary, and slightly drunk comparison on the following two machines:


    Older-than-dirt desktop-
    -2.4 GHz Pentium IV
    -1GB DDR 333 RAM
    -Windows XP Home SP3
    -Ati Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB VRAM)

    Slightly Newer Laptop-
    -2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
    -2GB DDR2 RAM
    -Windows XP Pro SP3
    -Ati Radeon Mobility x1400 (god awful)

  3. Re:Firefox FTW by TiberSeptm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not just theoretical. I'm doing it on Firefox 3 right now.

  4. Re:hilarious by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And they only pretty much did it because they found out it works easily with Silverlight in Intel based macs only.

    Amazing that a company is switching _to_ Silverlight for a cross-platform solution. This is wrong on so many levels.

    http://dotancohen.com/heb/wallashops.html

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  5. Comparing IE7 and Silverlight players, cont. by TiberSeptm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sadly, I titled the first post really poorly. After playing around with the "beta" player on a couple machines for a little while longer I found a few other things worth noting.

    The Silverlight player does not require nearly as much free space as the IE7/WMP player for the "high quality" video to play. I've checked and the library is the same as that availible for the PC as far as the 182 items in my instant queue go.

    While that doesn't cover the thousands upon thousands of items they stream, it does cover a wide range of properties. So far as I can tell, the Starz! content, the CBS current series content, the NBC current series content, and all the showtime content is still there. Other than that, well who cares if "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians" isn't availible in Firefox. Oh wait, it looks like it is.

  6. Re:Firefox FTW by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm doing it on Firefox 3 right now.

    You've got me beat. I've done it on the kitchen table once or twice, and once _almost_ did it on a bus.

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  7. Re:hilarious by Yold · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think it is NetFlix's choice to adopt Silverlight. They released a press release to their Mac users before, stating that it is the movie companies (probably MPAA) stipulated which DRM they can use. But, true to their word, they finally are opening Watch Instantly to Mac users. Lets hope that the Linux port of Silverlight gets thrown in the mix too.

    I know Microsoft products are unpopular, but sadly, the adage "No one ever got fired for buying (trusting) Microsoft" probably applies here.

  8. Re:hilarious by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Both versions, up to Shake 3.0 were $4,999, and originally Shake was a Linux app (hence the very different interface of the OS X version compared to even the esoteric Final Cut Studio apps).

    With the release of Shake 4 though, Apple cut the cost of the OS X version to $499, and provided unlimited render licences for that version, while keeping the cost and licence restrictions on the Linux version to "encourage" people to use the OS X version.

    They know they can't kill the Linux version off entirely, due to the number of hih end effects houses who are quite happy to have a mixed Linux/Mac environment and don;t want to change out their Shake boxes for Mac Pros, but they want anyone who wants to start up in the field to go all-Mac.

    It all may be academic though, since there are whispers of a from-the-ground-up app to replace Shake at some point from inside Apple, to either go alongside Motion, or to replace that too.

  9. Re:People will pay Netflix for the convenience by jcuervo · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you come home from the pub at night after a few beers you don't want to wait for BitTorrent, you want it NOW!

    After a few beers, I'm streaming a whole different kind of torrent.

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  10. Re:hilarious by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So can you please tell me where I can buy Linux versions of Final Cut Studio, Shake 4, Creative Suite CS, Flix Pro, Sound Studio, Toast, and Sony's XDCAM HD transfer apps please?

    I cannot believe that you got modded troll for that. It is true, there are not enough commercial apps available for Linux at the moment. What I wouldn't do for Solidworks on my Ubuntu box!

    For Creative Suite, write to these folks:
    http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/contact.html

    For Flix, write here:
    http://www.on2.com/index.php?373

    Write to these folks asking about Sound Studio for Linux:
    http://www.freeverse.com/support/

    This is the address for the people responsible for Toast:
    http://www.roxio.com/enu/company/contact.html

    And the infamous Sony:
    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp

    Please, don't be shy and WRITE TO THEM! If we don't write and let them know that Linux is a viable OS with a strong user base, then they will never port their software to Linux.

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  11. Re:How to use it on Linux by coolsnowmen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Of course you have a valid Windows XP or vista Lic but given were talking about a payment service here, the small cost of obtaining any old windows lic if you don't already have one is not really an issue.

    You are wrong; that 'license' is exactly the issue. Why should I have to pay for, install, and maintain another OS, to use a video on-demand service that I already payfor? Is it because they were too lazy and stupid to implement it using an open standard? Or because the mpaa is forcing them too?

  12. Re:hilarious by calmofthestorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hitler?

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  13. Re:hilarious by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hard to get excited when I still can't watch it on my mac (PowerPC) just as it was with the Olympics.

    Don't get exited, then. Instead, write to Netflix and let them know that you, and the millions of other Ubuntu, PowerPC, Fedora, and other non-Windows || Intel Mac _still_ cannot use their service. Let them know that they need a cross-platform solution, not a pick-and-choose platform solution. Here is their address:
    http://www.netflix.com/ContactUs

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  14. Re:Reason #1 this is useless to me by hansoloaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do like foreign films. I do like domestic films as well. And yes I'm deaf. Very little videos on the net (hulu, itunes, netflix, etc) are captioned so it's frustrating to see all the cool technology. Yet it all remains inaccessible to people like me.

  15. Re:hilarious by mweather · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Hitler did use IBM products.