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IBM's Teri-is-a-Girl-and-Terry-is-a-Boy Patent

theodp writes "The USPTO has granted IBM a patent for utilizing naming conventions to assign gender-based avatars for instant messaging. A user named Teri, IBM explains, would be given a girl avatar, while a user named Terry would be provided with a boy avatar. The three IBM 'inventors' were stymied by users named Pat, who as a result will be assigned a 'generic, genderless human figure image as his or her avatar.' Way to honor that significant-technical-content patent pledge, Big Blue!"

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  1. English names only? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about odd spellings?

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    1. Re:English names only? by Nasajin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was going to say that Marilyn Manson might get annoyed with the automated gender mixup, but then I realised that he probably wouldn't.

    2. Re:English names only? by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Either way, Hua sounds feminine to me.

      You haven't seen many films about US marines, have you?

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    3. Re:English names only? by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Likewise Kyle, which although often male, is occasionally used as a female name. Then there are those that come up with entirely new names, or that use nicknames, or handles to contend with. Yeah, sorry, this sounds like it's utterly useless, you've taken what once was a simple question of "Are you male or female?", and turned it into "Based on your name our software thinks you're X, is this correct?". All they've done is taken a simple question and reworked it so that it makes a potentially embarrassing/insulting/annoying assumption about a person, which then needs to have steps put in place to insure that it's made the correct assumption, all for the sake of avoiding a simple binary question.

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    4. Re:English names only? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

      A gay furry.

    5. Re:English names only? by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doesn't matter. Anyone who calls himself "Legolas", l33t-crypted or not, deserves a gay furry avatar[0], and I'll stand by that assertion until the day I die.

      [0] Unless his parents gave him that name. Then he can be forgiven if he goes Menendez.

    6. Re:English names only? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't matter. Anyone who can recognise "Legolas", l33t-crypted like that, deserves a gay furry avatar[0], and I'll stand by that assertion until the day I die.

      [0] Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  2. Re:So, what did they decide for... by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh deer ... we never thought of that.

  3. Re:So, what did they decide for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    D'oe

  4. Not even that. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Informative

    When ever you try to assign gender on anything except the Chromosomes it will fail.

    Actually it fails pretty spectacularly when you try to determine it based on chromosomes, too. There are XY women with androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), and both XXY and XYY men. In many cases, especially those of AIS, they may go their whole lives without knowing that their chromosomes convey something different than their sex organs.

    And using sex organs starts to fail as well when you get into intersexed and transgendered people; someone's sex organs may not match the gender they 'pass' as in social contexts, or that they prefer to be treated as.

    It is anything but a black and white issue.

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    1. Re:Not even that. by shermo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always thought it was a black and white issue.

      You simply refer to people how they want you to refer to them.

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  5. What's worse, is that it's done dumbly by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amazing that they analyze the name so hard. I would just throw a database at the problem. It's inconceivable that IBM doesn't have a shitload of demographic databases around, which already have name-sex pairs. Just select sex, count(*) where name='terry' group by sex. If the ratio is overwhelming in one direction, choose that, and if the margin of error is too high (and I'd set that pretty low to avoid pissing off Miss Pat), pick neutral. That would work with any language, too (assuming IBM has a database for that culture).

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  6. Re:Standard Behaviour by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Geeze, here we go again. Listen, patenting stupid crap isn't evil. *Suing* other people for your stupid crap patents is evil. Countersuing other people for violating your stupid crap patents after they've sued you for violating their stupid crap patents is simply a business reality these days.

    Big companies like Apple, Microsoft, Google, IBM, and Novell have to patent any little thing that floats into their heads that the patent office will let them patent. They all do it, and the purpose is mostly for the sake of maintaining a defensive-patent war chest to keep the other big companies at bay with mutually assured destruction.

    Start complaining about them being evil when they sue someone.

  7. Re:No one uses boring avatar names by dfm3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even then, assigning a male avatar is probably still a safe bet.

  8. Wouldn't it be easier..... by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to just ASK the user during the sign up?

    Are you [ ]Male [ ]Female

    Would you like to use a avatar that is
    [ ] Male
    [ ] Female
    [ ] Generic Genderless
    [ ] Tentacle Monster
    [ ] Cowboyneal

  9. Why not just ASK?!? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My friends Gail and Carol might have a problem with this method, since both of them are male... Sam and Mel might have problem too, since Sam is short for Samantha and Mel is short for Melonie.
    I prefer the solution used in the interactive game "Leather Goddesses of Phobos": at the start of the game, you have a sudden urge to use the restroom. Your gender for the rest of the game depends on which restroom door you choose.
    Really, I think arbitrarily guessing people's gender is just going to alienate them when you guess wrong.

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  10. Terry & Terry by BHS_Turf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Both my wife and I are named Terry, and yes, she took my last name. The running joke is that I get all the bills, and she gets all the cheques.