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US Army To Push X-Files Tech Development

An anonymous reader writes "The US Army is ramping up the development of technology right out of the X-Files; 'making science fiction into reality' as Dr. John Parmentola — Director of their Research and Laboratory Management — puts it. The list of things currently in the works is amazing: regenerating body parts on 'nano-scaffolding,' telepathy through electronic impulses in the scalp, and self-aware virtual photorealistic soldiers that can be deployed in the battlefield through 'quantum ghost imaging.' To test these they want to use them into a massively multiplayer online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online."

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  1. Order Up!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I would like a footlong - pecker - to go please.

    1. Re:Order Up!! by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sweet, i can finally get my own holoduke. too bad there's no shrink-ray on that list.

    2. Re:Order Up!! by quaero_notitia · · Score: 1

      Not a problem! I'll just forward on some of the thousands of e-mails that offer just that and can purportedly make it prehensile like a monkey's tail. Here ya go...

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    3. Re:Order Up!! by db10 · · Score: 1

      where would you like it?

  2. Well... by Loibisch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll only believe it when I see it.

    *whistles the X-Files theme*

    1. Re:Well... by Smauler · · Score: 5, Funny

      To test these they want to use them into a massively multi-player online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online.

      There's no science here... they just want to play more games. I can imagine the staff meeting :

      Any ideas how we can get more time off to farm uber gear?
      No sir, all our team are working on high tech projects, sir!
      Any chance we could combine my WoW playing with these "hitec" projects, and everyone will be happy?
      Sir yes sir!

    2. Re:Well... by g0dsp33d · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TED has a decent video on the possibilities of tissue regeneration. Not to difficult to imagine more generalized use soon.

      Not sure how easy it is to turn up the gain but how hard can it be to strap a can-tenna to one of the new mind controlled video game controllers?

      CNN already uses holograms. /snicker

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    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'll believe it when they manage to do it on the budget they're gunna have in a few months.

      My guess is it will be paying for

    4. Re:Well... by Manfre · · Score: 1

      I wonder how quickly the US Army will be banned from both games for running bots.

    5. Re:Well... by lara111 · · Score: 1

      hi..... The US Army is very powerful army. By using that they were playing the World of Warcraft. Due to this so many peoples were affected. Link Building

    6. Re:Well... by rwyoder · · Score: 1

      I'll only believe it when I see it. *whistles the X-Files theme*

      I really *want* to believe!

    7. Re:Well... by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      I want to disbelieve.

      Sadly, I can't.

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      Nothing could beat complete denial
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  3. Mutually exclusive? by forceman130 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How can a virtual photorealistic soldier also be self-aware?

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    1. Re:Mutually exclusive? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      In the same way as the matrix representation of people? ;)

    2. Re:Mutually exclusive? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      How can a virtual photorealistic soldier also be self-aware?

      Virtually, of course!

    3. Re:Mutually exclusive? by Maestro485 · · Score: 1

      Only as long as he can recite: "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."

    4. Re:Mutually exclusive? by gijoel · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can a virtual photorealistic soldier also be self-aware?

      Please state the nature of your battlefield emergency.

    5. Re:Mutually exclusive? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      ... You Have 15 Seconds To Comply.

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    6. Re:Mutually exclusive? by mikael · · Score: 1

      "The enemy is shooting at us Sarge! And they're using live rounds as well!"

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  4. stargate tech is better but some of it needs zpm's by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    stargate tech is better but some of it needs zpm's or some other high power source to use them.

  5. Oblig by Phrogman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one, would like to welcome our new Quantum Ghost Imaging Overlords...

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  6. Fringe by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    X-Files is dead, it's Fringe now. Get up to speed or turn the cite over to someone up a current nerd and geek culture~
    Also
    Dr. John Parmentola is a total villain~ just look at him:
    http://www.nano-dds.com/Pics/Parmentola-Bio.pdf

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    1. Re:Fringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've watched Fringe. It's garbage.

    2. Re:Fringe by maxume · · Score: 1

      I haven't watched this Fringe thing, but I get the sense that a third X-Files movie is more likely than a second Fringe season.

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    3. Re:Fringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right, though I think Anna Torv is quite hot in an athletic girl-next-doory sort of way. Of course, they have her gratuitously strip and climb into a tank of water in like, the first or second episode, that's how I know she has a really hot body. And that fringe was utter garbage, granted. But I'll still watch it because, hot.

    4. Re:Fringe by SoapBox17 · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it doesn't look too far off. I don't know who is watching it, but whoever they are, I feel simultaneously sorry for them and enraged at them inflicting more Fringe upon the world.

    5. Re:Fringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Fun fact: Anna Torv was also the motion-capture model and voice actress for "Nariko", the main character in recent computer game "Heavenly Sword". That much hot can make up for a lot of shitty nonsensical antiscientific plot.

    6. Re:Fringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Please. Fox Mulder couldn't heft Kolchak's camera. Now get off my lawn.

  7. Old News To FOX Viewers by TrekkieTechie · · Score: 1

    They're working closely with J.J. Abrams to identify the source of the Pattern.

  8. It's already here! by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

    Yeah? Try logging onto World of Warcraft without either running into gold farmers or getting whispers with prices of the latest susanexpress offer. I think those quantum ghost imaging things are already there, just that the folks in China beat us to it.

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    1. Re:It's already here! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Maybe the US army bought a chinese wow farming bot and modified it somewhat to react on the maps / whatever sent by them instead for RL usage? :D

      Sucks if they run away to pick up flowers or corpse camp though.

  9. !telepathy by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    There is a word for what they are doing but it isn't telepathy

    And is it really that necessary?
    Throat mikes are plenty sensitive as it is and either way, you're going to have to send out RF to communicate.

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    1. Re:!telepathy by lysergic.acid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      technology-enabled telepathy, techlepathy, or whatever you want to call it, is still manipulating objects with your mind. and there are many instances where directly transmitting commands with neural impulses would be preferable over verbal commands. for instance, if you were trying to control a UAV drone it would be far more intuitive to be able to make the plane turn via thoughts than with clumsy voice commands. you'd have a much wider range of control that's both, more natural and also quicker, than voice commands.

      i'm more disturbed by this:

      A project to erase bad memories, which will be critical in helping soldiers with psychological damage.

      --yea, that and carrying out cover ups.

    2. Re:!telepathy by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      i don't think an Army Ranger or Delta Force soldier is going to pull out a laptop and mouse/joystick in the middle of enemy territory during a combat mission. the whole point of voice/thought commands is to keep the soldier's hands free and allow him to issue commands while on the move.

      and muscle memory is still the result of neural signals sent from the brain. for controlling things like unmanned drones you can still exploit a soldier's fast reflexes or autonomic reactions. with training, it'd be possible for the brain to treat the drone as an extension of one's body. and even conscious thought commands can be more useful, or convenient, than voice commands since verbal expression is rather limited compared to the flexibility/versatility of the human mind.

      everything else you mentioned are implementation issues. obviously you're not going to design a thought command system that lets someone accidentally launch a missile with one stray thought. first we just have to develop the neural signaling interface, and then once we can interpret brain activity as thought commands it's just a matter of fine-tuning the system.

    3. Re:!telepathy by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 1

      That is because a joystick is a very easy device to manipulate. Correctly reading a brain as quickly is not nearly as simplistic as a pair of physical sensors.

      Once we can trivially read the mind and interpret what that means, I sincerely doubt that a joystick will remain faster.

      Joysticks/muscle memory comes with practice. Once reading the brain becomes practical, given time and practice...

    4. Re:!telepathy by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      i'd believe that. i've taken high doses of benzodiazepines that completely blacked out my memory of the night before.

      it was really strange waking up the next morning and finding a pack of cigarettes that i couldn't remember buying (or who gave them to me) and also finding blog entries that i didn't remember writing. i basically had to talk to all of my friends to piece together what happened the night before, since i had no recollection of talking to anyone, people coming over to my apartment, or going out to dinner with a friend, etc.

      but pharmacologically-triggered anterograde amnesia has limited applications compared to being able to wipe specific memories at will--and after the fact. i mean, you could potentially have all soldiers involved in black ops take large doses of benzodiazepines before every mission. but that could greatly compromise their ability to function, and it wouldn't allow you to cover up unanticipated incidents.

  10. robots in WOW? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > To test these they want to use them into a massively multi-player online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online."

    Doesn't that violate the TOS?

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    1. Re:robots in WOW? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      Not if it makes them money and the army says they will do it anyways and can back it up with executive power/force/etc.

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    2. Re:robots in WOW? by cjfs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't that violate the TOS?

      I'm sure Blizzard would love to have a higher level of AI for its npcs. It would give the players something to aspire to.

    3. Re:robots in WOW? by aliquis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Blizzard don't negotiate with terrorists :D

    4. Re:robots in WOW? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      DOD trumps TOS

      or

      Cruise Missle hitting the server(s) makes problem go buh bye

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  11. Change in administration by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe the director of DARPA typically leaves with a change in administration, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case in other such agencies. Then there's the whole change in funding thing that may happen.

    I know a lot of people in the defense research community are a bit nervous now. Be interesting to see what happens after January.

    1. Re:Change in administration by actionbastard · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Be interesting to see what happens after January."

      It's called February.

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    2. Re:Change in administration by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I sort of meant what happens during the Obama administration, with a particular emphasis on the time shortly after the inauguration, and was using "January" in that context as a metonym.

    3. Re:Change in administration by megamerican · · Score: 1

      The fiscal year for the military is October - October. Their jobs should be safe until Christmas 2009!

      They can always join Obama's 'civilian national security force'

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    4. Re:Change in administration by actionbastard · · Score: 2, Informative

      "...using 'January' in that context as a metonym."

      I was going for the synecdochal aspect myself.

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    5. Re:Change in administration by Eg0Death · · Score: 1

      I was going for the synecdochal aspect myself.

      Do you mean synecdochical? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/synecdochical

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  12. Project funding by cjfs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Step 1: Read theoretical physics journal
    Step 2: Claim principles could be adapted to military uses in unrealistic time frames
    Step 3: Profit!

    No ??? even needed.

    1. Re:Project funding by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Step 1: Read theoretical physics journal Step 2: Claim principles could be adapted to military uses in unrealistic time frames Step 3: Profit! No ??? even needed.

      Heh. You're modded "funny", but you're right on the money (so to speak). This is typical [grant|budget|*] fishing behavior. Nobody's department ever gets funded by saying "we think we may be able to develop and field a 15% lighter combat boot in the next 5 years". No, you get money by saying "we are on the verge of being able to make our soldiers capable of three currently humanly impossible things that would have our enemies cowering before us--- if only we had the funding..."

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    2. Re:Project funding by d20_techie · · Score: 1

      That statement requires an assumption that any human being, especially our leaders, are at all rational.

  13. Re:Obama won't stand for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    He said all programs that were useless would be cut.... now.. put up or shut up Obama.

    Just FYI: Obama doesn't become president till January.

    So you know...

  14. !funny by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    If you want to progress an idea then you need to find some funding for it. Using the military has always been a classic way to get this done. Global Warming research also works these days.

    Sure, what the scientists are doing might one day turn into something that saves a soldier's life, most current soldiers would probably prefer to see some of that rather go towards funding more down-to-earth spending on basic stuff like body armor etc.

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  15. Alternate Ending by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    George W. Bush: What do you want me to do? I thought this was being handled. The truth is out there now. Toothpick Man: The truth has always been out there Mr. President. The people just don't want to believe.

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  16. Quantum ghost imaging not "really" quantum? by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quantum ghost imaging is a real effect that is potentially useful, but there is skepticism that it's an "entangled photon" quantum effect and not just an effect that is due to the ordinary interference of light waves (which is also ultimately quantum of course but can be predicted with classical physics).

  17. They're manufacturing aliens??? by syousef · · Score: 1

    "The US Army is ramping up the development of technology right out of the X-Files, "making science fiction into reality"

    I can't be bothered reading the article. This is slashdot after all. So can someone please tell me whether they're manufacturing the aliens or they've created some kind of reality distortion machine that literally makes science fiction real? I hope it's the later so we can all like like James T. Kirk and mate with green and blue alien women with excess body parts.

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  18. It's only a matter of time... by dave562 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...before we have enough troops to deal with the situation in Afghanistan. Now, if we can only get the Taliban to watch CNN.

    1. Re:It's only a matter of time... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Once we perfect the killer robot police, we won't need so many troops.

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  19. Great - the gov't is bankrupt... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    and these idiots want to piss billions down the drain to protect a dying empire.

    good move ace. Let me know how that works out for ya.

    RS

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  20. This is a press release by Xeth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Faced with cuts in military funding by the upcoming Obama administration, this is deigned to convince people that the defense department comes up with a lot of gee-whiz things they really shouldn't let their representatives eliminate.

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  21. I like Ike! by dwarg · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

            * and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

    It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

  22. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by beav007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always thought it was CPMs, until someone reminded me that Americans can't pronounce "Z" correctly. Then it made sense...

  23. Episode no. please... by _merlin · · Score: 1

    I don't remember an episode of the X-files featuring an oversize penis. Can you point tell me the series and episode number? It sounds intriguing. Or have you just been watching your XXX-files again?

    1. Re:Episode no. please... by mattytee · · Score: 1, Funny

      Please. *Every* episode featured an oversize penis.

      I think his name was David Duchovny.

    2. Re:Episode no. please... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      "Flamebait"?

      You guys have no sense of humor whatsoever.

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  24. wait, hold on a moment... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    To test these they want to use them into a massively multiplayer online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online.

    Does this remind anyone else of Ender's Game? Hmmm...

  25. The McGowan Institute for Regenerative Medicine by alchemist68 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dr. Alan Russell is the Distinguished University Professor of Surgery and the Founding Director of the McGowan Institute for Regenerative Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh. He has published more than 125 articles in refereed journals, one book, and 10 book chapters. Dr. Russell holds 14 patents, with 13 additional pending patents. Dr. Russell has given more than 250 national and international invited lectures, and has received numerous prestigious awards for his contributions to research, teaching and public service. For more information on Dr. Russell and the Russell Lab, please visit his website at http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/russell/.

    I had the opportunity to attend a lecture entitled "The Hope and Hype of Regenerative Medicine" last Wednesday evening in Cambridge, MA (10/29/2008) hosted by Vertex Pharmaceuticals. This lecture was profoundly interesting and awe-inspiring. Simply amazing what can be done for people in need of replacement of internal organs: bladders have been successfully grown and implanted in 6 children, both a vagina and uterus have been replaced in in pigs, and the tip of a human finger grew back after being accidentally amputated by the propeller of a small model airplane engine. The photographs and videos were quite graphic but show the power of this new type of medical research, some based on stem cell research. Current research is directed at replacing damaged cardiac tissue and the replenishment of islet cells to the pancreas to treat diabetes.

  26. Wouldn't astronomers want this? by JoeGee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From what I read it should be possible to create images from paired photons over any distance. If we can read a photon a meter distant by observing its entangled twin, can't we just as easily do the same trick with photons from the edge of the visible universe?

    -Joe

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    1. Re:Wouldn't astronomers want this? by kvezach · · Score: 2, Informative

      While you can read off entangled states with the particles separated at any distance, you can't get any information out of them faster than c. The observation will mess up the result. You can get around that by transmitting classical information about the error in addition, but that classical transmission will be bounded by c.

      In the experiment mentioned by New Scientist, note that the setup uses an external light source. Some of the photons hit the object, while others are captured at the same time (but through a different path). The photons naturally travel at c, and synchronization is required to get the correct result.

    2. Re:Wouldn't astronomers want this? by mikael · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Wouldn't astronomers want this? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      In addition to the other responses, a photon here isn't going to be entangled with any distant photons. Entanglement is delicate to maintain. Other particles can't be allowed to interact randomly with the entangled pair. Even in the vacuum of space, over light years, there is plenty of dust, other photons, etc. to ruin the entanglement.

  27. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

    But the Scottish dude always pronounces it "zed-P-M". That should have given it away.

    I heard that guy pronounce it first, and as an ignorant American, it actually took me a couple of minutes to figure that it was an acronym for "zero point module" and not some made up alien words.

    As a total aside, how do you teach the alphabet to children? The end of the alphabet song doesn't rhyme if you pronounce it "zed".

  28. So here's how it's going to go by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    They're going to seem like they have a plan when they develop this tech but we'll be strung along for ten years before we realize they're pulling everything out of their asses?

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  29. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Britain just has/had a different alphabet song, though really Sesame Street has been shown on English TV for so long now (since 1969) the american one has long since "won". You just learn the american song says "zee" but the correct name is "zed", and learn to blame the "dumb americans", too (gotta start indoctrinating kids with prejudices early, you know!)

    Note that and (&) used to be the last "letter" of the British English alphabet, so the old english alphabet song used to end "and per se and" (not "zee"), which was then corrupted into "ampersand" ...and then dropped from the alphabet: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ampersand

  30. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by lordkuri · · Score: 1

    He's not Scottish, he's Canadian

  31. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by beav007 · · Score: 1

    Here in Australia, we sing the same song, but we say "zed" at the end. Screw the rhyming :P

  32. X files technology eh?? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 3, Funny

    How will developing flashlights which constantly have smoke or dust in the path of the beam help the army?

  33. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I don't actually watch the show, I had a roommate who was into it, so I've seen a few episodes.

    I thought there was both a Canadian guy and a Scottish guy. The Canadian guy was a physicist and the Scottish guy was a medical doctor. He may have been Welsh or Irish or something, like I said, I don't watch the show, so I don't remember exactly.

    They may both pronounce it "zed", though I've never heard any of the real life Canadians I know say "zed". They may just be humoring us Americans.

  34. "X files" my butt. They're being Proxmired. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hadn't encountered "Quantum Ghost Imaging" before. (If it provides a practical system for imaging a objects without exposing that an observer exists and/or without the observer having a clear line-of-sight for ordinary optics, the military applications would be obvious.)

    But building replacement body parts and organs on nano-scaffolding is working fine in the laboratory. It's just a little engineering development and regulatory approval from deployment. The military knows how to fund and direct practical engineering development, can fast-track or sidestep regulatory approval, and has a continuing supply of people who need replacement body parts or substitutes to recover function. It makes perfect sense for the military to drive the final development and deployment of this technology, bringing their wounded back to full health rather than giving them a prosthetic and a pension.

    The military is already flying and driving vehicles and aiming and firing weapons in difficult environments using "mechanical telepathy" - magnetic sensors in a helmet detecting the fields from the currents from the firing of nerves in - guess where - the speech center (among others). (While you're strapped into a fighter plane doing a 5-G maneuver or a helicopter shaking from flack: Look at a target and/or point a finger at it. When the targeting marker in the heads-up goggles is on it, think "BANG!". Just for one example.) Meanwhile the same technology is doing a very good job of speech recognition on subvocalization. So why not use it to drive a radio to "think-talk" to another guy in the unit?

    Since at least the Vietnam era the US military has been a consumer and designer of role-playing game system products and video games, for good reason and with very good results. After noting that the soldiers who played the most on the video games in the PX were also some of the best shots, pilots, tank drivers and gunners, etc. they commissioned videogames with realistic weapon characteristics as training aids: Fun and effective, and a LOT cheaper than full-blown simulators. Role-playing game systems, meanwhile, greatly improved "war games" strategy practice and military planning, and they stay current with developments in the field (and are a major customer of some of the companies as well). Using a MMORG to do a Turing test, along with further development, on a computer-simulation of a soldier (in preparation for deploying AI weapon systems) fits right in and makes perfect sense to me.

    So it looks to me like somebody is "pulling a Proxmire" - finding some government research that SOUNDS screwy and characterizing it to make it sound as ridiculous as possible in the public press.

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  35. How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can someone please exlplain how it is that a bunch of irregulars with poorly maintained AK-47 rifles and surplus Katyusha rockets that date back to the cold war can keep us on our toes in Afghanistan when we have all of this high tech and expensive army gear? Heck, the amount that we spend to equip and train one US soldier would probably equip a whole company of Taliban. If the army wants more and better soldiers then how about doing simple things like raising base salaries for our military, improving the quality of our training programs, and taking back control of supply and logistics from Halliburton and KBR who seem to be much more interested in how much they can possibly bill the government and much less interested in actually helping our fighting men and women.

    1. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those guys have been fighting wars on one front or another for centuries. They are very good at it.

    2. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by rainer_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No mod points, too bad.
      To make it more clear: they have been fighting modern asymmetric wars for a very long time.
      The people doing it now have practically grown up with it.
      Even the USSR, with all their resources (and absolutely no qualm or HRW really worrying them) couldn't defeat these people (OK, so they had Uncle Sam's help - but anyway...)
      Unfortunately, it also means that a western-style democracy is highly unlikely to work in such an environment.
      There's just no concept of a "loyal opposition" in this region.
      When you're defeated, it only means you have to try harder to overthrow your opponent next time.
      And god forbid you follow the orders he issues from the capital - your peers might think you're a wuss.

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    3. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by johannesg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can someone please exlplain how it is that a bunch of irregulars with poorly maintained AK-47 rifles and surplus Katyusha rockets that date back to the cold war can keep us on our toes in Afghanistan when we have all of this high tech and expensive army gear?

      Does a bullet from an AK-47 kill any less than a bullet from a hi-tech rifle? Does a Katyusha rocket demolish vehicles and buildings less effectively than modern explosives? Both weapons are basically good enough, especially since the enemy is hardly interested in prolonged battles and control over territory. Their war is mostly one of symbols; have a little bombing here, kill a few people there. It means little in the grand scheme of things, but it locks their respective countries in a state of fear, something from which they ultimately hope to profit as the US inevitably will have to withdraw at some point.

      How would you win such a war? The only way, I think, is to increase the wealth of that country: give them something to lose. Maybe if all the money invested so far had instead been used to buy agricultural products from them, they would be preparing for the next crop now instead of deciding where to put the next roadside bomb. Of course, there is little profit in that for the very large industry that rides on the back of those wars...

    4. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by master_p · · Score: 1

      Another solution is to flatten the place with nukes.

      (yeap, I've been watching Sledge Hammer lately...)

    5. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by Warhawke · · Score: 1
      Not just that... The Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down) puts the kill to death estimates for Americans at 700-1000:18. Modest estimates would put that at 40 kills per death, which is an extremely respectable figure (try doing that on Call of Duty). Yet we still consider the Battle of Mogadishu to be a failure on the part of the United States military.

      The U.S.'s casualty tolerance is a significantly lower threshhold than that of the enemy geurilla fighters. Our idea of war has become so skewed by technological and military dominance that our definition of "failure" has come to mean anything but "flawless victory." It's an admirable perception, but it's somewhat unrealistic and perhaps too proud to think that Americans can become invincible in war against even "cheap" prolific weapons with significant killing capacity.

    6. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by brennz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Light infantry warfare is still fought for the most part the same as it was during Vietnam. Sure, we may have some better sensors in things like AUVs and GPS bombs, but much of the combat still devolves into M4 vs AK-47, backed up by mortar squads and artillery. Throw in landmines, IED/VBIEDs and other things that favor insurgent forces. It is unfortunate that so little of our massive Defense budget has gone towards improving the combat effectiveness of our light infantry.

    7. Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? by BCGlorfindel · · Score: 1


      Can someone please exlplain how it is that a bunch of irregulars with poorly maintained AK-47 rifles and surplus Katyusha rockets that date back to the cold war can keep us on our toes in Afghanistan when we have all of this high tech and expensive army gear?

      It sounds like you are missing part of the picture. In the first days of Afghanistan, the Taliban forces still attempted to hold territory and maintain a military presence in Afghanistan. They were cut down so badly they have abandoned that notion. That's why you see them using their current tactics. Hide in Pakistan, or frightened/sympathetic villages and place IED's in areas that are travelled but not well defended by our forces. Just look at the casualties our troops suffer in the region, they are almost exclusively due to IED's and suicide bombings. Look at the operations where they even use rifles, virtually all of them are against aid workers and the few that are against actual soldiers are largely unsuccessfull.

      Now, with that picture in mind the question of how we are still not in better control of the country looms all the larger. Other posters have pointed out the safe haven in Pakistan, which is a problem. I'm pretty sure that the larger problem though is economic. With far more than half the country's GDP dependent on the opium trade, the fact that the Taliban are one of the only buyers looms large. It's hard to get the support of people who can't feed their children without selling their crops to your enemies. The summary being that the Taliban's persistence has nothing to do with military capability. IMHO we should be buying the opium from civilians at market price and if we can't find a good use for it just throw it in an incinerator. The support it would gain is worth the expense 10 times over. The national GDP is around $10 billion, I'm from Canada and even our relatively small presence there has already doubled that in cost.

  36. I don't even understand what that means... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    "self-aware virtual photorealistic soldiers that can be deployed in the battlefield through 'quantum ghost imaging.'"

    What the hell is this project - Artificial Intelligence? Virtual Reality? Robotics?

    1. Re:I don't even understand what that means... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      From what I understand its like a holodeck. (self-aware virtual photorealistic soldiers that can be deployed in the battlefield)
      Only without holo-emitters present. (through 'quantum ghost imaging.')

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  37. I know about these things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    As a Linux user, I appreciate the Army wanting to push X-files tech development. I know Xorg.conf could use some cleanup, Xsession.options, Xresources, Xsession and Xsession.d, Xinit and Xkb have been around for quite some time, and anything the Army can do to make them 'uber' would be great. Oh wait...

  38. Re:Fuck The Army! by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    Yeah.....I don't see that happening.

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  39. Combat Telepathy Problems..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soldier 1: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

    Soldier 2: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

    Soldier 3: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

    Soldier 4: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree. Hey, wait a minute! That reminds me, the mailman and my wife were pretty friendly last time I was home...:::

    Soldier 5: :::Enemy behing the wall on the left by the palm tree:::

    Soldiers 1, 2, 3: :::WTF?! Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree!:::

    Soldier 5: :::I'll bet he's got a package for her!:::

    Soldier 4: :::What's THAT supposed to mean?:::

    Soldier 6: :::Dude, your wife's bangin the mailman!:::

    Soldier 5: :::HE'S GOT AN RPG!!!:::

    Soldier 4: :::Dude, that's not funny!:::

    Soldier 5: :::NO! THE GUY BEHIND TH-.....

    Fwishhhh! BOOOOOM!

    Soldiers 1, 2, 3, 4, 6: :::Oh... *That* guy.....:::

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  40. Sanctuaries by G-Man · · Score: 1

    In any counterinsurgency, if the enemy has a sanctuary to run to, you're going to have a tough time. It doesn't matter how badly you kick his ass every time you meet - he gets to retreat, regroup, resupply, retrain, and reattack at the time and place of his choosing. The VC had North Vietnam, the Taliban have Pakistan. If you cannot enter a sanctuary area, you'll likely never knock them out completely. I find it humorous that BHO and the Democrats pledged to really go after Bin Laden rather than wasting time in Iraq - well, if Osama is alive the smart money says he is in Pakistan. Are we supposed to invade them now?

  41. Bots on WoW by Kryptic+Knight · · Score: 1

    Great

    As if we didn't already have enough problems with chinese goldfarmers and bots on World of Warcraft, now the USArmy wants to put in goverment sanctioned bots.

    I can't wait to see Blizzard try and enforce their no-bots terms of service on the USArmy.

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  42. I want the parent post... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...printed on a T-shirt.

    No... really... look at it...

    Obama will fix the universe and end the wars with "change" - check.
    Spewing nonsense about "them there jungle country that lives in peace with everyone" while comparing it to a global superpower - check.
    No idea about the real world - check.
    Not one but TWO Star Trek references - check and check.
    " The world is a peaceful place except for some freedom fighters who feel oppressed " - this line is just pure gold.
    " Plus the world will no longer see us as a threat so they'll leave us alone and there will be peace in our time. " - another pure goldie.
    Presenting all of the above as a viable plan for " bringing real change to America and hope to the world " - fucking beautiful.
    " That is what Obama must do for the good of the world and the freedom fighters will stop fighting once there is no military to fight against and th oppression stops. " - you just can't fake this level of crazy.
    Haven't seen these kind of lines since the Star Wars prequels dialogs.
    Not only is Obama Jesus-elect, but " the freedom fighters will stop fighting once there is no military to fight against and th oppression stops ".

    STOP th oppression!
    FREE them freedem fighters from fighting fer freedem!
    Screw the paragraphs and the ENTER key!
    Anonymous Cowards FTW!

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  43. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead.

  44. Dr. John Parmentola by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read the name "Dr. John Parmentola" in the summary as "Dr. John Paranoia"?

  45. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by maddskillz · · Score: 1

    In Canada, the alphabet song on Sesame Street ended in zed

  46. Don't worry about it by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

    Obama has already committed to significantly slowing down the development of new military technologies.

    Barney Frank suggests this means a 25% cut in the entire defense budget.

    This stuff will never happen. Research on it will be cut in a matter of months.

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    WhiteWolf666 an exBush supporter. All you new-school,compassionate,save the children Republicans can rot in hell
  47. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by Ifandbut · · Score: 1

    I never knew that "zed" was a letter until I started watching the show. I was just like zed p m...whats zed suposed to mean its Z not zed!

  48. Re:"X files" my butt. They're being Proxmired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it provides a practical system for imaging a objects without exposing that an observer exists and/or without the observer having a clear line-of-sight for ordinary optics, the military applications would be obvious

    It does not, and anyone who implies it does is either ignorant or a liar.

    Quantum ghost imaging requires a light source and detector that both have line of sight to the object being imaged. The "magic" comes from the second detector, where the image is formed, NOT requiring line of sight to the object, although it does require line of sight to the light source, and it also requires a classical communication channel to the detector near the imaged object.

    So given you have to have a detector near the imaged object anyway, why not make that detector a camera, and dispense with the millions of dollars being wasted on this research?

    The simple question for anyone advocating the use of quantum ghost imaging for stealth purposes is, "Are you claiming that quantum ghost imaging requires NO DETECTOR OF ANY KIND that has a clear optical path to the object being imaged?" If they say YES they are either a liar or an ignoramus.

  49. Good time to join the army? by spectro · · Score: 1

    So this means I can join an Army research project and get paid to play Eve Online all day?

    Where do I sign?

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  50. Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp by beav007 · · Score: 1

    Nearly. It's 'Z', not 'Zee'.

  51. Depends on how you measure Cheap by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1

    The British Parachute Regiment in Afghanistan had over 700 confirmed kills on their last tour alone.
    The British forces have lost of 122 men since the start of the conflict.

    Their strategy may be cheap in money but is costly in casualties.

  52. 'Trode nets, vat-grown limbs, augmented reality... by Morbid+Curiosity · · Score: 1

    Ye gods. I know Cyberpunk is dead, but what does any of the tech mentioned have to do with The X-Files at all?