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Study Finds iPhone Twice As Reliable As BlackBerry

An anonymous reader writes "As reported at TechCrunch, 'The iPhone is twice as reliable as the BlackBerry after one year of ownership, a new study by SquareTrade finds. SquareTrade, which sells extra warranties for cell phones and other devices, looked at the failure rates of 15,000 phones covered under its plans. The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry and 16.2 percent for the Treo.' The full report (pdf) can be found at the SquareTrade site."

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  1. OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is considered a malfunction? And perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care?

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    1. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that most Blackberry users have devices paid for by their employer. The majority of iPhone users buy their own phones.

    2. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Informative

      perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care?

      Not in my case. I've dropped my iPhone 3G several times, including a three-foot fall onto a hard surface--twice. The shiny bezel got a little scratched but the phone works fine.

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    3. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by mewshi_nya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Basically, having dealt with SquareTrade (they're actually a pretty decent company, by the way), anything that causes the phone to stop working normally, such as broken screen, broken keyboard, broken battery, broken... well, anything that can't be fixed by the user.

    4. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the first TFA the failures are seperated by like components/subsystems. The logically strange thing is that the catagory with the highest failure rate across all 3 brands is "screen/keypad/touchpad". I'd wait a couple more years for more reliable iPhone faulure data to be gathered, it's hard to compare one inoperable button with an erratic touchscreen(don't know about the treo, but iPhone alphanumerics must be entered with the touchscreen as opposed to the crackberry's button-keypad.

    5. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by linumax · · Score: 4, Informative
      If you bother to read the report (yeah I know this is Slashdot) you'd get the answer:

      We divided reported malfunctions into the following problem categories:

      • Software / Features. Includes operating system lockups, frozen applications, voice recognition software, etc.
      • Battery Problems. Primarily batteries that fail to hold a charge.
      • Bluetooth / Camera / Accessories. Includes functional components that are part of the handset.
      • Antenna / Hardware / Casing. Includes all physical integrity issues.
      • Screen / Keypad / Touchpad. Includes burn-in, screen spots, dead pixels, and touch screen dead spots.
      • Call Issues. Includes outbound calling, call reception, poor call quality, dropped calls and microphone issues.
      • Power Issues. Includes power connectors, powering on/off, and inability to stay on.
      • Other. Other issues, not categorized above.

      And, regarding the level of care, and how accident prone iPhones are:

      As it turns out, an iPhone user is more than twice as likely to experience an iPhone failure due to accidental damage than through a handset malfunction. An astounding 12% of iPhone owners have reported a failure due to accidental damage at the 1 year mark, and nearly a quarter of all iPhone owners can be expected to have their phone fail from an accident by the end of 2 years. This accident rate is higher than the 9% accident rate reported on all other phones by one-third...

      Personally, I see and use the iPhone as an appliance, not as a platform, which is what a real Smartphone is. iPhone is not in the same league, and comparisons of this kind, while informative to some extent fail to provide any significant insights.

    6. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by darkmeridian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My coworkers and I get our Blackberries through the firm, and you'd be surprised how many old-model Blackberries get dropped once the new models become available. "Only the partners have the new ones?" "Yeah. We're relying on attrition to wear down the associates' Blackberries." Next day. "I need a new Blackberry. I dropped mine."

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    7. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, I've seen the same thing many times. That was my point. I'd say a sizeable minority of Blackberry 'failures' are people angling to upgrade to the latest greatest model.

    8. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by renegadesx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With 3G Smartphones being so commonplace these days is Blackberry even relevent anymore?

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    9. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by syousef · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to mention that most Blackberry users have devices paid for by their employer. The majority of iPhone users buy their own phones.

      Regardless of who bought it, which would you spend more time protecting? Your personal entertainment device that lets you listen to music etc. or the virtual servant bell which forces you to check your email regularly out of hours and which few people use for personal calls.

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    10. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously? iPhone, Windows Mobile, and PalmOS are the only real smartphone platforms. Android may yet prove itself, but Blackberry has the worst development tools and developer community there is. It's big expensive enterprise apps and 1 billion different Solitaire games for $19.99 each.

      The iPhone on the other hand, while it has those billions of redundant solitaire games: they're free, and otherwise has an ever improving mixture of enterprise type, reasonably priced, and free apps of all types. Oh, and Apple lets you write native code with the same APIs they use, rather than forcing you to use Java.

      I'm still skeptical about Android for the same reason, Java-only for 3rd party development. Since it's open source someone could technically "fork" it to a platform that allows native coding, but that'd be it's own thing and not have the industry backing. So far "just fork it" hasn't worked in creating a mass market force for OSS systems on the workstations, and it won't be any different on smartphones.

    11. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by daBass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While no denying your comment, I doubt many companies like yours would be using extra warranty services like this. I am sure SquareTrade's statistics only includes those insured by them - most likely individuals and small businesses.

      So the abuse by enterprise users likely does not come into these figures.

    12. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My coworkers and I get our Blackberries through the firm, and you'd be surprised how many old-model Blackberries get dropped once the new models become available. "Only the partners have the new ones?" "Yeah. We're relying on attrition to wear down the associates' Blackberries." Next day. "I need a new Blackberry. I dropped mine."

      I had a horrible accident with a Blackberry and a prototype mass driver at the lab. When my supervisor offered to have it repaired I handed him a Dust Buster and pointed to a smudge on the wall.

    13. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by More_Cowbell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... well, anything that can't be fixed by the user.

      Just out of curiosity what exactly would you call a user fixable part on a cell phone?
      Aside from the few phones that have interchangeable outer covers, I can't think of a single thing. Not like they sell parts at Radio Shack...

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    14. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by amiga500 · · Score: 5, Funny

      An executive at my employer recently had to have his Blackberry replaced after his wife threw it against a wall while they were on vacation.

    15. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      With 3G Smartphones being so commonplace these days is Blackberry even relevent anymore?

      Yes. The Blackberry platform remains the best mobile data system by far. Strong encryption, fully audited, free dev kits, no restrictions on what you do with it, push email, strong control of the devices by central IT policy, and outstanding integration with Exchange, Notes or GroupWise. Even supports PGP or S/MIME email for additional paranoia.

      Unlike the iphone or googlephone, no one can remove apps from your blackberry (aside from your IT people).

      Now, you might not be interested in all these features, but nothing else comes close.

    16. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. Research suggests that the iPhone are reliable, so their methods must be wrong. Because I know a guy who's iPhone broke, and we all hate Apple anyway, so lets be as dismissive as we can.

      It couldn't possibly be because the devices are durable and designed pretty well.

    17. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by renegadesx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think its funny that I got modded flamebait despite it was a legit question! I could see how it could be interpreted as a troll but flamebait?

      It's just I have found Blackberry to be a pain to maintain and just really expensive. Eventually we just went made do with Exchange, for push email in Exchange/Outlook mobile, that can be done (I dont know about Groupwise) and we were already paying for exchange to begin with. We just felt that was good enough so we phased out Blackberry and got everyone O2's, this was about 05 when smartphones were just starting to come out in the mainstream so the end users loved it (except the first model O2 XDA Atom's caused headaches) If you are paranoid with IT security and/or are a Notes shop I can see your point but for 90% of the market I would consider an Exchange shop to be "good enough".

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    18. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by spyowl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't get me wrong, I have a Blackberry and I like it; but let's not start giving each other blowjobs just yet:

      no restrictions on what you do with it

      Can't do VoIP apps - restricted by RIM.

      outstanding integration with Exchange...

      Purchase/licensing and maintenance of a separate Blackberry enterprise server required. Note that iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component.

    19. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Regardless of who bought it, which would you spend more time protecting? Your personal entertainment device that lets you listen to music etc. or the virtual servant bell which forces you to check your email regularly out of hours and which few people use for personal calls.

      In all fairness, modern BlackBerry handsets do audio and video. Mine even has a 3.5mm headphone jack. Many also come equipped with cameras (although people who need to go places that don't allow cameras can get ones without). It's also good for surfing the Web, and although it comes equipped with a pretty decent mapping application, Google Maps is even better. As for personal calls, well, I really just don't enjoy being on the phone that much. But if I was somewhere away from home and I needed to make a phone call, I imagine pulling my BlackBerry out of my pocket, dialing a number, and holding it to my ear would be the simplest way to do it. Why wouldn't I?

      What's more, all modern BlackBerry handsets have an Auto On/Off feature. If you're really so concerned, have it switch itself off at 6pm and come back on in the morning.

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    20. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's more, all modern BlackBerry handsets have an Auto On/Off feature. If you're really so concerned, have it switch itself off at 6pm and come back on in the morning.

      Most people don't have a problem with the device. Even getting into the habbit of manually switching it off wouldn't be too much to ask. What's more difficult is managing your boss' expectation that the thing is on. For that very reason I don't want a Crackberry.

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    21. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really?

      Boss: Did you get my email?

      Me: Not yet, I just got in.

      Boss: I sent it at 9pm last night.

      Me: Ah, that must be it. I left at 6. So what's up?

      Is that so hard? In my experiences, bosses might expect all kinds of things, but rational people generally have a pretty good grip on what is reasonable to expect and what is not -- unless you give them other ideas.

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    22. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by linhux · · Score: 3, Informative

      iPhone uses SSL for IMAP by default, and I'd be surprised if the Exchange connection isn't encrypted as well. Most Exchange users will use the built-in VPN support to access their Exchange e-mail. That said, you are probably right in that RIM is the only player in the enterprise, but "end-to-end encryption" seems like a bad example.

    23. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?

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    24. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I keep hearing about how our auto industry is in the toilet and they need a quarter-trillion dollar loan from the government (us) to keep going and I wonder if there aren't some entrepreneurs out there who could build reasonably priced, well-built cars that were really efficient and looked cool and who could become the next "Big Three". This won't happen, of course, because of the belief that GM, Ford, etc must be helped because they are "too big to let fail".

      And by helped you must mean "granted a virtual monopoly on auto production in the US". Or at least a piece thereof.

      Whenever I hear that some corporation or bank is "too big to fail" I always think that means they are "too big to exist".

      A situation like that is like going to war - by the time you're fighting, you have already failed. Allowing a corporation to get so big means that We The People have FAILED in our jobs as citizens. Myself included.

      Our government "of the people" helped the big three automakers destroy the working public transportations which predated our all-auto culture. We are all complicit - we let it happen in the name of "personal freedom". Every state in the union has laws to allow it to take your car away on basically any pretext, even if you weren't driving it at the time. So much for freedom.

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    25. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you are really that important for your boss, then he won't fire you that easily either. You are correct of course, there are unreasonable managers around - however that doesn't mean you can never stand up for yourself. Most people (even managers) are not unreasonable. You need to make sure that you assert your rights - don't make it into a fight though, just state your position calmly.

      Think about it - your manager's performance ratings depends usually on yours. If his team is not productive then he is seen to be a failure. If he needs to replace you, he needs to spend time finding a replacement - he loses the experience you have, he runs the risk not finding someone equally qualified. There could even be a hiring freeze on, and that means he'll be a manager of a smaller team. If he's interested in his career, that's something he wants to avoid - headcount looks good on his resume. You are not without leverage in this situation.

    26. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by binaryspiral · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We had this same problem at the college I work at until the IT department changed up the way we handled this. Now if they "break" a phone we charge the department for phone replacements. You'd be surprised at how few managers of departments are willing to slice $200 off their budget to get a new shiny phone. Or if they do - I don't care, because it doesn't set any of my projects behind any longer.

      Also, we initiated a two year rotation on phones - everyone gets a new one (the same model as the deans and executives) every two years. That cut down on the envy-breakage considerably.

      Your tax payer dollars hard at work...

    27. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by JonDorian88 · · Score: 2, Funny

      See, if it had been an iPhone, she might have just left him for it.

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  2. bias. by Kingrames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds heavily biased.
    There are plenty of people who would wait until there was more than one problem with their iPhone before calling it in for repairs. But those with a blackberry might be more quick to respond to problems.

    Did the study really only count the number of times someone sent their phone in for repairs, or the actual defects in the hardware?

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    1. Re:bias. by powerspike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to agree with this totaly. As a business user, if something goes wrong, i want it fixed asap, as it will affect my job in someway (this is a generic view on any device i use as a part of my workflow). As an indivual, I have a itouch, i have had several issues withit, but it still does what i want it to, so i haven't bothered to take it in for repairs yet, but it needs it (the case is coming apart - bad glue?). but you get the point. business users will raise issues alot faster then retail ones.

    2. Re:bias. by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of people who would wait until there was more than one problem with their iPhone before calling it in for repairs.

      are you joking? the people who buy apple products are generally complete nuts when it comes to returning stuff. shit, I remember ibooks (or were they macbooks?) being returned because of discolouration where you wrists like. discolouration!

      if there's the slightest flaw in an apple product their is almost always an outcry demanding a recall. where are you getting the impression people buying iphones are less fussy than blackberry buyers? because it sure isnt this reality

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    3. Re:bias. by catwh0re · · Score: 5, Informative
      actually, the apple consumers are usually very pedantic about their product and rightly so, the product is usually marketed as a premium item and costs a little more than the competitor.

      So far even minor issues found in the iphone have been turned into a maelstrom of users, fanboys and haters all cashing in their feedback. There are people actively petitioning the iPhone for the following: Canadian pricing, the autocorrection feature having a disable switch, iphone unlocking/drm, 3rd party application NDAs, iphone in china & other providers, chrome for iphone, mms, 802.1x NACS, etc etc.

      The blackberry is not getting anywhere near this much attention, petitions for the blackberry are aimed at the service providers disablement of a particular BB feature.

      However all this vocal activity is a good thing for apple, as it gives them ways they can improve their product.

    4. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      the case is coming apart - bad glue?

      That's not broken. You're one of the lucky ones who got one with a user replaceable battery!

  3. excuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm having a boring day, but am now looking forward to reading the excuses from the apple haters. bring on the comedy gold!

  4. Who protects a Blackberry? by NevDull · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have and carry both a Blackberry for work, and an iPhone because I wanted something that wasn't under the control of IT overlords. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who carries a Blackberry in the default plastic holster and drops it onto the floor at least once every few weeks... and it's got nothing to protect it from that dive. My iPhone, however, being my personal property, does get better care. It's usually in a case in a pocket, and only small portions of its surface are directly exposed... I'm not surprised that iPhones fail less. People take far better care of them.

    1. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by oGMo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not surprised that iPhones fail less. People take far better care of them.

      No kidding. My blackberry gets near constant use all day. In and out of the holster, keyboard pounded on. I've spent 6 straight hours (leashed to a power outlet) doing emergency work over SSH on one. Dropped it repeatedly. Had it on and awake for months of uptime. And you know what? It works just as well as it did the day I got it.

      If iPhones have a better fail rate than Blackberries, my guess is because people simply use them less.

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  5. Re:Hrm by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if this also takes into account how many iPhones are sent back to Apple for some type of repair. Seems like a poorly done study.

    Exactly. This study's findings are applicable only to people who have SquareTrade warranties--but I'm sure diehard Apple fans will point to this study as more proof that the iPhone is the best thing since sliced shit.

    (Disclaimer: I own a MacBook.)

  6. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by smussman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm willing to make that measurement for you in a highly standardized way, but I'm not sure what the SI units for "cuteness" are. Could you enlighten me on this?

  7. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by rnaiguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Puppies

  8. Re:Or?? by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't speak of iPhone - I can only say to BlackBerry.

    In my company we have so called "standby support," when people are getting a BlackBerry from company and have to respond to customer calls.

    The amount of abuse BlackBerry can survive is really impressive. Generally, BlackBerrys assigned to standby support pool last for 8-14 months. But the phones rarely have a quiet hour in their lives.

    So my biased theory would be that BlackBerry and Treo are failing more because they are used in business more and thus are open to more abuse.

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  9. Re:Or?? by c_forq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually think a major factor would be fewer points of failure. You have 3 buttons, one switch, the screen, the case, the chip and the battery. I would imagine the failure rate of highly used keyboard buttons on the blackberry would be much higher than the touchscreen.

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  10. Twice as reliable? by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry

    To me that suggests the iphone is 94.4% reliable and the blackberry is 88.8% reliable. That's just me, though.

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    1. Re:Twice as reliable? by mblase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry
      To me that suggests the iphone is 94.4% reliable and the blackberry is 88.8% reliable. That's just me, though.

      That makes sense if you're a reseller or insurer, and you're interested in how many iPhones or Blackberrys will be sent back for replacement.

      However, the consumer who only owns one such device at a time isn't interested in that probability. He's interested in the probability of this individual unit failing tomorrow. From that point of view, the iPhone is twice as likely to not-fail on any given day -- making it, to him, twice as reliable.

  11. Obvious reasoning by ninjapiratemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you stop and think about it, it makes a lot of sense that the blackberries /fail/ much more than iPhones.
    The reason is because the blackberry is treated as a tool, more likely to be thrown around, and while it can probably handle being thrown around much better than an iPhone, but it'll break eventually. People who get an iPhone will carry it around in their little plastic cases, polishing it with a cloth after every conversation, and protect it with their life.
    Also, the lack of mechanical parts (ie buttons) will make it fail slightly less...

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    1. Re:Obvious reasoning by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you stop and think about it, it makes a lot of sense that the blackberries /fail/ much more than iPhones. The reason is because the blackberry is treated as a tool, more likely to be thrown around...

      Unless, of course, you RTFA in which case you see iPhones fail more often due to accidental damage, but still have significantly lower failure rates overall.

      Also, the lack of mechanical parts (ie buttons) will make it fail slightly less...

      Yup and that probably accounts for that one of the eight categories where the BB lost.

  12. Not necessarily true by Cyberllama · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you don't have an AT&T contract, you cannot get your iphone serviced. With that in mind, I'm sure many minor issues aren't sent in for repair and people simply learn to live with them.

    For instance, my iPhone has, ever since I got it, had one dead speaker (the left one). But because I've been using prepaid sim card (AT&T) and I used a jail breaking program to activate my phone, Apple won't do anything for me about it. So, as far as they are concerned, my phone is working great. It's not a huge deal so I don't worry about it.

    They don't specifically say you must have an AT&T contract to get warranty service, but it's more or less required via the other terms. They wont' service your phone unless its activated ("How can we see if it's working or not?). They won't service phones that aren't activated legitimately (at least not if they know about it). You MUST sign up for a contract to activate your phone (not actually true with the 3g, it'll apparently activate on a prepaid sim).

    1. Re:Not necessarily true by nathana · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, good grief; not you, too?

      Neither iPhone model has stereo speakers. It's not a dead speaker, it's the fricking MICROPHONE.

  13. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by RuBLed · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's the imperial measurement, the SI one is juvenile dog

  14. Speaking as an iPhone user... by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm so completely used to random crashes to the main screen, random complete lockdowns, random freezes, dropped calls, you name it... that it'd have to take something pretty remarkable before I even realized it was a fault I could make a warranty claim over as opposed to just "buggy as usual" functioning.

    Looking at the typical blackberry users who regard it as a critical piece of their god given right and duty to answer emails even when on the can... I'd imagine they're vastly less tolerant than iPhone users.

    Most iPhone users I know, who haven't previously used Blackberries, are pretty happy with their iPhones. Just about every former Blackberry user I know who converted to an iPhone hates the thing's unreliability and wants to go back.

    In short: Relying on reported failures doesn't always tell you which device is more reliable. It can just be an indicator of which user group is more tolerant.

    1. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking as an iPhone user, WTF are you doing that causes your phone to crash so much? I have some problems with safari, but other than that it works fine.

      It checks an imap mailbox with at least a hundred folders, and several hundred messages in the inbox itself at any given time, I use the clock for alarms, cal for future events, sms very lightly, a couple pages of downloaded apps and it just works.

      Today was the first day where I've had a real problem, and you better believe I was on the phone with AT&T to resolve it instantly. Sadly it is a real problem and it looks like it has to go back for servicing due to some sort of call connection problem. This is my second iPhone, the first of which was stolen (due to my own stupidity mind you), and while the software has been a lot more laggy than the original, pre-2.0 firmware, it has up until today worked fine.

      I'm sure some people may deal with failures more, but most people don't like the idea of paying that much for a device that doesnt work, especially with the 1st gen phones which were more up front plus contract costs.

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  15. I call BS on this one by Coraon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for Rogers in Canada on the tech support line, we have to replace A LOT more Iphones then blackberries. People are just rougher of the blackberry, I would say that customer induced damage on the blackberry is higher, but as for catastrofic failure the iphone takes the cake. I've worked on every smart phone rogers has produced and trust me, the Iphone queue is the longest.

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    1. Re:I call BS on this one by randyest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm, we have a report with actual data and methodology given, but some bloke on /. calls "BS" and says "trust me" as his evidence that the data are wrong.

      Yeah, it's a close one, but I'm going to go with the study in TFA.

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  16. Re:Fine. by limaxray · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ummm, when you're a salaried employee, you are effectively owned by the company 24/7. You are paid to do a given job description, regardless of what hours you need to do them. If you don't like it, you can spend your life as a contractor and get paid by the hour - you'll make more, but you can be fired at a moments notice with no recourse. It's all a matter of what's more important to you - job security or not being owned by 'the man'?

  17. re: salaried work by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd argue that you're absolutely wrong. Paying someone a salary, vs. an hourly wage means there's an understanding that neither party thinks it necessary to track every minute that you're working. The employer benefits because he/she gains flexibility. (EG. You might be asked to stay late when a new piece of software is rolled out, and part of the setup can't even be done while the 9-5 employees are around and using the app.) The employee benefits because he/she is freed from a degree of micro-management. (EG. No more getting "write ups" and "warnings" just because a traffic accident or snowstorm caused you to get in 3 minutes late. No big problems if you wind up taking an extra long lunch break when you meet up with some friends you rarely see.)

    It's sort of a "gentleman's agreement", not written anyplace, but understood. If either employer or employee abuses it too much, then it creates problems, and the other party is going to consider terminating the employment contract.

    Salary was never a written agreement to become a corporate servant.

  18. Re: salaried work by limaxray · · Score: 2, Funny

    How is that any different than me saying 'you are paid to do a given job description'? Unless your job description is 'corporate servant' I fail to see how you could come to that conclusion. Obviously if your employer expects more of you than what you feel is worth your salary you can ask for a raise or quit.

    Although if your job description is 'software developer' and a customer in Europe finds a show stopping bug at some inconvenient hour, it is perfectly reasonable for your employer to try to contact you at an inconvenient hour. You are paid to deliver a product - not just to be in the office from 9-5 - and the fact is the world doesn't stop at 5PM EST. This is the point I was replying to.

    Contractors/hourly employees on the other hand, are paid to be in the office from 9-5.

    And the last time I had to worry about 'write ups' or 'warnings' for being late or constraining my lunch time was when I flipped hamburgers at Wendys. None of my corporate jobs - salaried or contracted - have ever given two shits. If that is supposed to be a benefit of a salaried job then I'm either lucky or you've had douche bag employers.