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DNA Strands Modified Into Tiny Fiber-Optic Cables

holy_calamity writes "New Scientist reports on the latest idea from researchers trying to make microcomputers use photons in place of electrons — to make optical interconnects from strands of DNA. Mixing DNA strands with the right dye molecule upgrades them into wires for light, like microscopic optical fibers, able to absorb photons at one end and transmit them to the other. One of the neat things about using DNA is it is the right scale to play nicely with existing and future chip lithography. Quoting: 'The result is similar to natural photonic wires found inside organisms like algae, where they are used to transport photons to parts of a cell where their energy can be tapped. In these wires, chromophores are lined up in chains to channel photons.'"

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  1. Robots by pipatron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok great, yeah, give the robots DNA too. Like we'll have any chance now.

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    1. Re:Robots by grimmfarmer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Worse, yet: will hard-up DNA farmers now begin selling their crops at a premium to industry, diverting crucial DNA from where it's needed most: the third world?

    2. Re:Robots by Smivs · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one will welcome the arrival of our photon-brained cyborg overlords.

  2. Right scale... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm...I'm no biologist, but I'll bet it's the right scale for human-implanted computing. Wow. Be afraid...very afraid...

    1. Re:Right scale... by elp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You be afraid. I can't wait. Oh the trans-humanity!

  3. Damn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We had this ability already built into our biology and we instead use chemical signals for our nervous system? It is a pity we didn't have an intelligent designer (one with degrees in electrical engineering and physics).

    1. Re:Damn! by Xerxes333 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps the intelligent designer chose the "home" edition rather than the "professional" edition and we are in breach of some universal EULA.

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  4. The organisation of life by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is yet more evidence, if it was needed, that there is something about carbon chemistry that facilitates the emergence of life. Once you have a DNA or RNA molecule, organisation and replication of small molecules seems to emerge almost from nowhere. This evidence that even a concept as significant as photon collecting and channelling could emerge out of a largely self-organising process is quite extraordinary, because it starts to answer the objections of Creationists to, for instance, the evolution of light sensitivity. Given the sheer vastness of geological time, the range of environments on even a minor planet going around a mid-rank star, the opportunities for something to get started are enormous. It's a kind of corollary to Murphy's law: in a sufficiently large system, given long enough, practically anything possible is going to happen at some point.

    This of course is not evidence for or against any kind of theology in general, because theology is a much more diverse (and interesting) subject than the Creationists and IDers would have you believe. But it does look as though the question "how did life get started", which is vague and ill defined, is gradually resolving down to the question "under what circumstances can ribose nucleic acids form spontaneously, and how many other small molecules can we find which can spontaneously arrange themselves in the presence of ribose nucleic acids?" which is testable.

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    1. Re:The organisation of life by OolimPhon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The explanation that has been given in the Bible is the only one whose source is decidedly not human.

      Proof that the source is not human, please?

    2. Re:The organisation of life by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read the links. For someone divinely inspired, you're not a very good guesser.

      I didn't see anything in there about "1914". Nor do I see the number "1914" anywhere in "the" bible.

      The other "bibles" I'm talking about are those held sacred (and literal) by other faiths, such as the Mahabarata and other Vedic scriptures, any number of Buddhist sutras, the oral traditions of North American tribes, the Greek, Roman or Egyptian texts and traditions, and on and on around the world. Of course you don't think of those as "the bible", but rather just some superstition, but of course their believers think the same of yours, and of each other.

      There are other things that have changed. Even the Hebrew torah changed in important ways about 2000 years ago, and there's plenty of analysis showing it changed from an original form to its form around the time of the Roman conquest in specific sections. And of course the original christian canon of over 400 different texts was reduced to the 4 in the "new testament" by a christian order about 1600 years ago. The persistence of biblical transcription and consistency through the millennia is still remarkable, but owes to the priority for exact transcription, and the fear of punishment for failure in both the living world, and the expected "afterlife". Zoroastrian gospel has been at least as consistent since about 3000 years ago, while spending its first millennium transmitted only orally, with at least as many "efforts to destroy it entirely".

      There is no evidence that "the" bible you prefer is effective for family life, work ethic, view of money, treatment of fellow man, etc. Practically no one follows the entire literal prescriptions of the bible, to the exclusion of any other source of life guidance. And there are plenty of perfectly functional and happy people who follow their own bibles, with little influence sourced from "the" bible you prefer.

      I know "the" bible, and its blindered, faithy adherents (of many denominations, many bibles), quite well, thank you. I also know science and reason, which make it easy to debunk any of the bible worshippers' contrived arguments like you've offered here. The only way that bible worship ever meets science and reason with any chance of survival is by willful blindness, or acceptance of science and reason debunking the bible except as a self-programming exercise in pure metaphysics.

      The bible's got some good lessons, co-evolving with a successful style of civilization the dominance of which self-selects for successful life strategies within its constructed values. But it's a work of humans, even if quite an excellent one. Except maybe when it doesn't matter what's true, and what you're looking for is a good story to share with other people you like, when believing it's something supernatural is harmless fun. Taking it further than that is unwarranted, and usually leads to terrible consequences fairly quickly.

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    3. Re:The organisation of life by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no physical evidence of "divine creation". The whole point is that "god created the heavens and the Earth" by some miraculous act.

      You're a Creationist. You "know" that god created existence, and Adam and Eve. The way you know it is by reading a book written before you were born. You have faith in that knowledge, which means you know something that cannot be either proven or disproven.

      Others have their own faiths, like tribal Americans who believe a Creator created some garden plants, then made the first people out of them. Neither of you can prove the other is wrong, because faith is independent of proof. You're both guessing. It's sufficient for you, because you don't require proof to believe things.

      I require proof. Until I get proof, I know that knowledge is merely provisional. And I don't take any serious actions based on provisional knowledge.

      But regardless of the place for your way of knowing things, you are a Creationist. That you deny it just undermines any reason to respect the rest of what you claim to know.

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    4. Re:The organisation of life by bgackle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Recipe for accurate prophecy:

      1) Get a list of 128 email addresses.
      2) Pick a volatile stock.
      3) Send half the list a "tip" that the stock will climb.
      4) Send the other half a "tip" that it will fall.
      5) Discard whatever half you gave bad advice to.
      6) Repeat steps 2-5, five times
      7) Send the remaining guy an email pointing out that you just picked six stock movements in a row, offer to give another tip in exchange for immortal soul and 10% of earthly income.
      8) PROPHET!!

      It's called survivor bias. When you decide which books are the holy ones and which are the heretical ones 1000 years after they get written, it's pretty easy to pick out the ones that were right.

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    5. Re:The organisation of life by Emb3rz · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see you're a believer of Bible Codes

      I can only imagine you're referring to my statement regarding the year 1914. This is a number reached through chronology based on prophecy, not mystic numerical patterns.

  5. Signal loss? by GogglesPisano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As I understand it, fiber optic works because there is minimal signal (light) loss due to total internal reflection, which is a consequence of differences in the refractive indices of the glass and the cladding used in the fiber. Does the structure of DNA somehow support reflecting light in the same way? Pretty cool stuff.

    1. Re:Signal loss? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Informative

      These DNA "optical fibers" are made by inserting chromophores into DNA strands. The DNA is the path between two points, a substrate on which to lay out a sequence of chromophores. The chromophore path can transfer photons from one chromophore to another. The light isn't "reflecting", its transmission is something like the inverse of internally refractive transmission through an optically transparent medium. Chromophores do form the path through which light travels, but this new publication doesn't specify the physical mechanism by which light is transmitted from one chromophore to another along the DNA. However, the chromophores are not a contiguous optically transparent medium, so they're not transferring the photons the way that familiar fiberoptics do, which depends on them acting as a contiguous optical medium.

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  6. Photonic "wires" by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Admittedly I can't be arsed to RTFA, but, hey, let's blabber on.

    I don't think the comparison with optic fibres is valid. This is no reflection phenomenon. The so-called natural optic wires are not reflection based, but rather a series of chromophores chained together. Photon transport is a series of absorption-emission-events channeling the energy down the chain.

    The same is most likely the case with this stuff. The light transport is no intrinsic property of the DNA, but rather of chromophores coupled to it. DNA just serves as a scaffold to arrange the absorption-emission centres.

    Ofc, build this into a computer and I will show you the true meaning of "virus".... Biochemical hacking, oh yes, I am looking forward to that...

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    1. Re:Photonic "wires" by gilleain · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are examples of biological optics:

      A small node on one example

  7. Re:Light beings by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thinking fast doesn't mean thinking wisely. We don't have an AI level high enough to put on robots to make the smarter than us.

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  8. Think Photosynthesis, not Fiber Optics by cynicsreport · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These modified DNA strands seem to act more like the photosynthetic electron-transport system than they do optical fibers. In fact, one of the applications listed is "light harvesting in artificial photosynthetic systems." It is curious that TFA describes this as a fiber optics corollary.
    Fiber optics works based on the principles that photons will reflect off of a surface given a sufficient difference in refractive index and approach angle, allowing high-bandwidth communication. This new DNA photon transport system seems to have very little resemblance. I would guess that using DNA for communication would be very slow and very low bandwidth, to the point of being practically infeasible.

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  9. new plan, people by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Use DNA-based fiber-optics in the major backbones of the internet
    2. Spread rumor that the DNA comes from fetal stem cells from forcibly aborted babies, white christian babies!
    3. Watch right-wingers shut down their sites and flee the internet so they won't be taking part in the satanic evil of telecommunications.
    4. Remind them that their phone calls go over that same satanic fiber so they can't use phones, either.
    5. Gin up a new rumor that the power lines are being replaced by baby DNA fiber-optics, too, mail that to them in a chain letter.
    6. Watch them become the new Amish, shunning baby DNA-based demon technology, spinning their hate into hand-crafted quilts sold by the roadside.
    7. ??? Maybe if we're still feeling malicious, convince them buttons use baby DNA, too.
    8. Profit!

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  10. Which Bible is that? Not the original. by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Funnily enough, I actually learned at little Hebrew at University. Enough to be able to read parts of Bereshit, anyway. (Why call an English translation Genesis, which is not an English word? Either call it by its translated name "In the Beginning", or its actual name which is Bereshit.) Enough to know that there is no such word as "Jehovah" in the Bible (it's an interesting story how the error arose, but rest assured it is an error.) Bereshit actually begins, in a fairly accurate translation, "In the beginning the Gods created the Heavens and the Earth" - the word "Elohim" is in the form of a Hebrew plural. YHWH turns up later in the book. If you actually read it in anything like a literal translation, you will find that there are at least 3 different gods wandering around the first book of the Bible, along with some angels who intermarry with human beings.

    So either we have to believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses and other "fundamentalists" have been supplied with a heavily corrected version of the Hebrew Bible by a God who keeps supplying different versions in different versions of English (King James, Revised etc.) or that they have been misled by a series of incompetent scholars who never bothered to learn Hebrew.

    It's strange, is it not, that Roman Catholic and Episcopalian priests (most of whom do know Hebrew) are quite comfortable with the age of the Universe and the Theory of Evolution, and it is the unlettered fundamentalists, who don't know their k'thibh from their qu're, who aren't?

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  11. They strain at a gnat by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And swallow a camel. You are not, of course, answering my main point (that the first Book of the Bible is a collection of heterogeneous legends with more than one theology) while trying to absorb the oddity that Elohim _is_ a plural, and the claim that it isn't in this context is based on bar'a and bar'u. To give a simple analogy from German, if I wrote "Der Goetter" rather than "Die Goetter", it's more likely that I didn't know the correct form of the article than that I really mean "Der Gott". In the Biblical case, if I was a scribe coming along later who wanted to clean things up a bit as regards monotheism, faced with the difference between changing a single letter and replacing a whole word, I might well decide to slide in one of the few vowels that actually appears in unpointed text. Especially as vowels are less sacred than consonants. (Wikipedia writer, btw, hedges bets by writing "is traditionally understood").

    The second issue is quite basic. Fundamentalists, to preserve their interpretation against the evidence, have to pretend that the Bible is literally correct. If you preserve an actual mistake - because the word Jehovah is a mistake, not a mispronunciation - you are admitting to your Bible something that is not literally correct. And if you have done that, how many other scribes and copyists may have done the same?

    It's OK. Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens, and I know the battle is unwinnable. I wouldn't have bothered, had not your original post been so ridiculous.

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  12. Re:Yeah, because our brains are light based by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you kidding? Yeah, it's been done using current technology, but to date there isn't one that isn't some clunky, oversized, borg-looking construction that requires an impractical amount of power. We need a "transitor" of the man-machine interface, something compact, efficient and reliable, and this looks like a step in the right direction.

    The brain communicates chemically/electrically. A way to turn DNA strands into optical fiber isn't a step anywhere NEAR the direction of interfacing with the human brain.

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