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Jaguar, World's Most Powerful Supercomputer

Protoclown writes "The National Center for Computational Sciences (NCCS), located at Oak Ridge National Labs (ORNL) in Tennessee, has upgraded the Jaguar supercomputer to 1.64-petaflops for use by scientists and engineers working in areas such as climate modeling, renewable energy, materials science, fusion and combustion. The current upgrade is the result of an addition of 200 cabinets of the Cray XT5 to the existing 84 cabinets of the XT4 Jaguar system. Jaguar is now the world's most powerful supercomputer available for open scientific research."

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  1. Economics? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about economic modeling?

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    1. Re:Economics? by thedonger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There already exists economic modeling. And it is no more impossible than climate modeling. Granted, human interaction becomes a factor when the general population is aware of the economic predictions, but I am talking theory, not necessarily practice.

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    2. Re:Economics? by thedonger · · Score: 2, Funny

      how do you explain the mess the world is in?

      Pre-marital sex?

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    3. Re:Economics? by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Accurate economic modeling needs infinite resources, as the existence of the economic modeler needs to be taken into account, and it could be argued that the entire universe would have to be modelled 100% accurately - one atom being in a different place could cause drastically different outcomes years down the line, causing different economic conditions.

    4. Re:Economics? by thedonger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ultimately human behavior is near-continuous series of yes/no decisions. Our brains iterate pretty deeply, but at some level it's ones and zeros. Though we may need more petaflops than angels on the head of a pin before we can scratch that itch. At any rate, the application of such a model will probably always doom it to failure.

      How much do we really know about climate? Probably a lot less than we think. Scientists are always so sure they are right. And then a few decades pass and they realize they weren't. And then they repeat that same behavior.

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    5. Re:Economics? by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every time you have sex outside marriage, god kills an economist (and a kitten)

    6. Re:Economics? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at the caption on your graph. Hansen's Scenario A is a high emissions scenario which does not correspond to the emissions which actually occurred. If you want to legitimately test the skill of a climate model, you need to compare apples to apples. In this case, Hansen's Scenario B is the one that most closely corresponded to the real emissions trajectory. (Since Hansen is a climate scientist, not an economist, he gave a range of possible emissions scenarios and did not claim the world would follow any specific one of them.) Even Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit acknowledges this.

      Your snide reference to "Saint Gore" indicates that your skepticism has more to do with your emotional biases than with any true scientific motivation. And citing a graph which makes a point of comparing a single month's temperature to another month's temperature makes me question your critical thinking skills. (Well, choosing to get your "science" from skeptic web sites instead of from the scientific literature is the main reason to question your criticial thinking skills.) But if you want to read some science, you could start here.

    7. Re:Economics? by Draek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Scientists are always so sure they are right. And then a few decades pass and they realize they weren't. And then they repeat that same behavior.

      Not really. Most scientists know they're always wrong, they just try to be less wrong each time. Hence the scientific method.

      There's a brilliant article by Asimov about it, in fact, "The Relativity of Wrong" if you care about it.

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  2. Yeah, the supercomputing stuff is nice and all... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I really got it to play Tempest 2000.

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  3. Don't buy it by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, Jaguar might look cool with its advanced capabilities, but there's no games for it and the controller design is lame.

  4. Kudos to Atari by rgo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always knew you could pull it off!!

    1. Re:Kudos to Atari by ari+wins · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, Altered Beast on this thing is SICK!

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  5. good upgrade path by Jodka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The current upgrade is the result of an addition of 200 cabinets of the Cray XT5 to the existing 84 cabinets of the XT4 Jaguar system.

    That sounds like Cray engineered this to aggregate components across product generations. For short product life cycles that seems like a great idea, not throwing out the old system when you get the new one but combining the two systems instead. Though obviously for long product life cycles it would be a losing proposition; The space and power requirements of inefficient older components would be greater than the space and power savings of upgrading to the latest model + the expense of the upgrade.

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    1. Re:good upgrade path by bmwm3nut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then when you get new cabinets you just decommission the oldest ones. Keep rotating the old ones out once they fall below some flop/dollar threshold.

  6. Re:How does that work? by Entropius · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a queueing system. If you want to run a job on a machine like this, you log into the control node (which is just a linux box) and submit your job to the queue, including how many CPU's you need for it and how much time you need on them.

    A scheduling algorithm then determines when the various jobs waiting in the queue get to run, and sends mail to their owners when they start and stop.

    On many machines there is a debug queue with low limits for number of CPU's and runtime, and thus fast turnover; this is used to run little jobs to ensure everything is working right before you submit the big job to the main queue.

    Each project has an al

  7. Re:Please no climate modelling! by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is already a wealth of political will for global warming, whats lacking is evidence ..

    There, fixed that for you.

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  8. Re:translation???? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Informative

    Assume every single person on earth can do a 16-digit operation on a calculator in one second.

    It would take them roughly a quarter million years with no breaks of any kind to do what this machine can do in one second.

  9. Re:Please no climate modelling! by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would say more than lack of evidence is lack of causation rather than correlation. Scientists appear to agree that at least in the short term the earth is a little warmer. What they can't say with any certainty is why. Anthropogenic warming is the desired cause as that is the only one we can do a damn thing about.

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  10. Re:"Used for open science..." by momerath2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You, sir, are an idiot.

    LANL, LLNL, and SNL are all weapons labs. ORNL is primarily a science lab.

    I myself have worked at three of these labs and held an account on an earlier iteration of Jaguar as well as some of LANL's other supercomputing clusters, so I ought to know.

    ORNL's Jaguar cluster, although parts of it are I think "controlled" rather than open so that it can run export-controlled code, is not at all classified. It's used for biology, astronomy, physics, CFD, etc.

    Also, if you knew the first thing about classified security you would realize that disallowing FTP access on a *classified* (Red network) machine to the outside internet is a necessity. To my knowledge, they don't allow *any* interconnection between classified systems and unclassified.

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  11. Re:Please no climate modelling! by Darth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who says the climate modeling they are doing is related to global warming?

    Even if it is, however, if the modeling increases our knowledge of the subject, it is not a waste of resources for scientists to seek the answers they are looking for.

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  12. Re:Please no climate modelling! by leathered · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why do climate modelling?

    Obviously climate modelling has to be carried to out to find out what impact running energy-hungry supercomputers has on the environment.

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  13. Re:Please no climate modelling! by Bunny+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having done my graduate work in fluid dynamics, only half your statement is possibly correct. There is historical evidence for global climate change, both warming and cooling. If is our interest to maintain the current status quo, the climate as we know it, it is not at all clear what interventions we need to take, or what effect they might have. Without simulations, that correctly model the real world. We have no way of knowing what our interventions might do. If anyone is interested, I can elaborate. The short (and scary)answer is - resonance.

  14. Folding@Home Contribution? by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be nice on these sorts of systems to have recurring, perhaps low priority, jobs issued by worthy outside distributed computing projects. Depending upon how busy the system is with other jobs it could make regular contributions to drug research and especially to AIDS research. To have complete and accurate pre-computed models of all steps in the protein folding process for all possible mutations of the AIDS virus, for example, would be a technological triumph and of potentially great benefit to humanity in the development of new drugs and possibly even an effective vaccine.

  15. Re:Silly Me by colmore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hahah, eat it, 3DO.

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  16. Love the paint job! by neowolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out the gallery if you haven't.

    I've always wanted to get some custom graphics like that on my server racks. Maybe a penguin, a butterfly, and a can of Raid. :)

    Supercomputers definitely don't look as exciting as they did in the "old days".

  17. Re:translation???? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, shit, astronomical fail!

    It's not nearly that bad... more like 3 days. I failed to realize that my 270000 figure was seconds not years.

  18. Re:Silly Me by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Informative

    No. Jaguar. 1995 XK12, Six-Litre.

    I'd rather doubt the 1995 XK12, as cool as it was, was any competitor to the Jaguar XJ220.

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  19. Re:Climate modeling ves. fusion energy by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Climate change is gradual, but the emissions we put into the atmosphere today will last for centuries. Even if we switched over to all fusion power tomorrow, we'd still see more climate change, and the longer we wait to replace fossil fuels, the more we will see. Realistically, it takes a long time to widely deploy a new energy technology. Fusion isn't even feasible in the lab, let alone ready for deployment, let alone widely deployed.

    Also, even if fusion were widely deployed, that doesn't mean we'd necessarily have less fossil fuel emissions. Coal plants are cheap because they're already built, so we might just keep running them instead of shutting them down and having to build a new fusion plant, even a cheap one. They typically have operating lifetimes of over 50 years.

  20. SETI by madcat2c · · Score: 2, Funny

    That is a lot of SETI@home power!

  21. I bet the guys at... by glitch23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Los Alamos are jealous since they just got a 1.026 petaflop supercomputer installed earlier this year by IBM called RoadRunner. It was featured in last month's Linux Journal.

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  22. Re:AMD vs Intel by kpesler · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe Cray made its partnership with AMD quite a while ago while they were still ahead of Intel in the performance/power ratio. In addition, these machines have a very fast interconnect (SeaStar) that is based on HyperTransport links. I believe it was recently announced that Cray has formed a partnership with Intel, and I imagine they will port the technology to QuickPath for future machines, but QPI was not available at the time this machine was commissioned. One does not simply order a machine like this at the drop of a hat. Vendor decisions are typically made years ahead of time.

  23. Beep Beep by PingPongBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the not too distant future, we shall see a new Top 500 list. It just seems like yesterday that RoadRunner cracked the Petaflops barrier, and the whole world seems to have fallen on its ass in the interim. Banking failures, government bailouts, people losing their retirement portfolios. The irony is too much. Even as the computers get better, the answers that people need don't come fast enough.

    Then the light turned on for me. People in general, the people you see on the street going on their busy way to whatever, are mostly relying on "someone else" to come up with the answers. Most people have little confidence in their own ability to answer hard questions.

    Well, maybe things will turn around because of the power of supercomputers. It would be about time, wouldn't it? Here's how it may play out. Supercomputers so far, good as they are, serve up expensive results, so they are applied to difficult problems that are useful but far removed from everyday life.

    As supercomputer clock cycles become more abundant, researchers can apply them to do more mundane things that the unwashed can relate to. The result could be revolutionary. People who have always aspired to some inconsequential achievement that requires some expertise or training may suddenly have access to highly instructive supercomputer-generated procedures that explain both how and why. Not only will people become more expert do-it-yourselfers, but robots will become far versatile, with amazing repertoires.

    Crossing the petaflops barrier may be sufficient psychological incentive for people to request that governments begin to make supercomputing infrastructure available for public consumption, like roads and other services. Certainly, exciting times are comiing.

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  24. Re:How about... by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    creating better algorithms? Or at least educating a little bit all non-CS scientists about performance and optimization?

    The guys who work on the the dynamic cores for the biggest climate models (NCAR, GFDL, NASA, etc.) do world class numerical hydrodynamics. Maybe not quite on par with the nuke guys at, say, Sandia, but pretty good. And they do hire programmers and numerical methods people to do algorithm design, optimization, and parallelization. They're cutting edge in terms of grid solver algorithms for these sorts of problems. There are lots of complications from irregular topography, coupling between atmosphere, ocean, biosphere, and cryosphere, etc.

    If you go over the climate-prediction loop many many times, you should consider some caching..

    Caching does little good, because none of the grid cells have the same value after each time step. Some things just require a supercomputer. There's a reason why people use supercomputers for big 3D fluid dynamics simulations (nuclear explosions, virtual wind tunnels for aerospace, climate/weather models, etc.)