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Apple Quietly Releases Safari 3.2

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF writes "Yesterday Apple quietly slipped out an update to their Safari Web browser to version 3.2. The notable feature is that it finally adds anti-phishing technology, an area where Safari has lagged behind competitors. Aside from that, it provides some security fixes, improved JavaScript performance, and a slightly newer version of Webkit, pulling their Acid3 score up to 77." Apple forums across the Net are reporting frequent crashes in Safari 3.2, some possibly caused by 3rd-party add-ons, others perhaps related to the anti-phishing feature.

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  1. And? by jrothwell97 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    New version of Safari. Does this mean /. is turning into a slightly more fleshed-out VersionTracker? I don't see how this is newsworthy: maybe the addition of anti-phishing capabilities would be worth mentioning in passing, but a minor update which causes a few crashes is nothing new.

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    1. Re:And? by neuromanc3r · · Score: 5, Funny

      An update addressing one of the most important shortcomings of one of the most important web browsers;

      We really need sarcasm tags.

    2. Re:And? by InsurrctionConsltant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the most important for mac users. Mac users may not be the majority but I don't think it's contentious to say they're an important minority.

    3. Re:And? by InsurrctionConsltant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's more, Safari is playing a great role in creating an "arms race of web standards". All in all, I'd say Safari, though not as much as Firefox, is more *important* than IE.

    4. Re:And? by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Informative

      shortcoming yes, important web browser? Dude Im a mac users, a claimed Apple zealot, and all that and even I dont see the importance in Safari.

      There are four major HTML rendering engines right now, two of which are commercial (Microsoft's Trident and Opera's Presto) and two of which are open-source (Mozilla's Gecko and Apple's WebKit). Of these, only WebKit is really growing right now - more and more browsers are being built on it. Safari is the reference implementation for a WebKit-based browser. That's why Safari is important.

      In addition to Safari (and the mobile version of Safari used on the iPhone and iPod touch), WebKit is also used by Adobe AIR, Google Chrome, and Nokia's S60 browser. Also, Konqueror is still using their own KHTML, but they're working on switching over to Apple's fork, eventually.

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    5. Re:And? by vhogemann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have one word for you:

      iPhone

      See now how important Safari is? Oh, and WebKit is used on Nokia phones too, and it's becoming a major player on the embedded browser market.

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    6. Re:And? by dwarg · · Score: 3, Funny
    7. Re:And? by Fri13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple pushED the Safari via iTunes and QuickTime updates, but Apple has not done it long time now.

      Safari is possible to install via Apple Update but you need to select it first from secondary downloads list to get it. It does not come automatically.

  2. Safari still has an annoying bug... by Gundamdriver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A bit off-topic: Both Safari 3.1 and 3.2 (@ Tiger) freezes the loading progress randomly, but ping google.com still works. I have tried to reset Safari, but it didn't help.

  3. Anto-phishing? Fuck that. by apathy+maybe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally I don't use Safari (I don't have a Mac, nor do I use MS Windows). I just thought I would take the time to rant about "anti-phishing" things.

    I always turn such "features" off on my own computers, and would do so on any computer where I was the "tech support" (after appropriate consultation and education).

    Why? Because blacklists don't work. Want to not get phished? Simple instructions that even the most computerphobic person can understand:

    When you want to go to the website of your bank, credit union etc., type in what you see on the printed material you have in front of you! (Alternatively, for the more computer literate folks, create a bookmark/favourite after having typed in the address from the printed material from your bank. And only access it via that link.)

    Never trust a link via an email, never trust a link from another website, not even if the address looks the same. (Character encoding, bad eyes and other things can make two strings look the same, even when they aren't.)

    Simple advice and works for everyone whom I've told it to. (The same with, "don't download files from your email unless you were expecting them, which is a bit over the top, but the slightly more complicated, don't download executable files got reduced somehow.)

    End rant.

    I did have a look at the article, and to be frank, there isn't anything exciting in there. It seems that the only reason this got to the front page is that Safari crashes a lot. Umm..., I guess I don't care.

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    1. Re:Anto-phishing? Fuck that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But anti-phishing is not about blacklists... Some might include that too but it is just a minor addon. Anti-phishing is about browser warning you when link with an anchor text "Your-Bank.com" is about to actually take you to "Your-Bank-fake.com".

      Educating users is important but having a backup feature like that is helpful.

      IF it was just anbout blacklists (blocking sites absolutely known to be scam) why would you turn it off? What harm would that do to you? :D

    2. Re:Anto-phishing? Fuck that. by shitzu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      * Even typing a correct URL you're not free from dns-poisoning

      How does a blacklist of urls address that?

    3. Re:Anto-phishing? Fuck that. by apathy+maybe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yourbank.com...

      command.com...

      Umm, and I seeing a problem with that idea? Yes I am.

      And the reason to turn it off, it doesn't always work (false positives, and false negatives), and it leads to a false sense of security. Like running a virus checker and then not caring about downloading random shit from the web. Better to just not download random shit from the web.

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    4. Re:Anto-phishing? Fuck that. by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If users could be trained, we could solve a lot of problems. Users don't care about learning, only about function.

  4. webkit project by thanasakis · · Score: 3, Informative

    Safari is based on Webkit, which can achieve an almost perfect acid3 score. Anyone using windows or macosx can easilly try it.

    1. Re:webkit project by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anyone using windows can easily try it.

      By downloading Chrome (or the open source version Chromium)

  5. Crashes by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple forums across the Net are reporting frequent crashes in Safari 3.2, some possibly caused by 3rd-party add-on

    Yep, PithHelmet (anti-ad plug-in) causes 3.2 (Mac, of course) to blow up every time when using multiple tabs. Removing its bundle from /Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins/ made it stable as a rock again (no problems at with about 15 tabs open, with varying kinds of embedded content), but, sadly, I'm buried with ads again.

    1. Re:Crashes by frdmfghtr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep, PithHelmet (anti-ad plug-in) causes 3.2 (Mac, of course) to blow up every time when using multiple tabs. Removing its bundle from /Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins/ made it stable as a rock again (no problems at with about 15 tabs open, with varying kinds of embedded content), but, sadly, I'm buried with ads again.

      Try this: Adblock for Safari

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    2. Re:Crashes by DavidDK · · Score: 4, Informative

      GlimmerBlocker is a more stable ad-blocker. It's an http proxy and not an awful InputManager hack, so you can freely upgrade Safari without having Safari going into crash me mode.

    3. Re:Crashes by earthbound+kid · · Score: 2, Informative

      It looks like another input manager though. You can't really trust "plugins" (they're not really plugins but elaborate memory hacks) like those to work when a new version of Safari comes out. The simple solution is just to use a custom CSS file that blocks ads, like the one on http://www.floppymoose.com/.

  6. Re:Quietly? by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure they attempted to force it on every user with iTunes... hardly quiet.

    I hear they're working on iLube to adress this problem.

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  7. What about WebKit? by oreaq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The WebKit nightly builds have been passing the ACID3 test for months and are still 4 times faster than Safari 3.2 according to the SunSpider Javascript Benchmark. Why is Safari so far behind?

    1. Re:What about WebKit? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

      The WebKit nightly builds have been passing the ACID3 test for months and are still 4 times faster than Safari 3.2 according to the SunSpider Javascript Benchmark. Why is Safari so far behind?

      They're probably still working out bugs between Webkit and the applications they have that use it. As I mentioned in the summary, however, most of the javascript improvements seem to have made it in this time. On my machine Safari was getting about 11 on the sunspider test, before this update and is now getting about 3. The nightly of Webkit on the same machine comes in at 1, which is better yet, but not that significantly.

  8. Apple loudly released Safari 3.1 by toupsie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its odd that Apple released this version quietly. Last time a major point release was available, Steve Jobs was walking down the streets of Cupertino firing a shotgun into the air screaming, "Time to download the next motherf*cking version of Safari!" followed by USC Trojan band playing John Philip Sousa marches.

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    1. Re:Apple loudly released Safari 3.1 by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its odd that Apple released this version quietly. Last time a major point release was available, Steve Jobs was walking down the streets of Cupertino firing a shotgun into the air screaming, [..] followed by USC Trojan band

      I guess the anti-phishing feature filtered out the Trojans this time then? ;-)

  9. Great. by danwesnor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apple Quietly Releases Safari 3.2

    Great, now you've gone and blabbed their secret to everybody.

  10. EV-SSL by lseltzer · · Score: 4, Informative

    It also now supports EV-SSL. That and the anti-phishing were two major beefs of companies like PayPal.

  11. Re:Quietly? by deniable · · Score: 3, Informative

    Worse, I downloaded Safari for Windows for testing and they tried to force iTunes on me. They said it was a security update. I've since removed their update 'service' (like servicing a cow) and I guess I'll have to update Safari manually.

    Admittedly, this was a while back and maybe they've cleaned up their act. Then again, Firefox 3.0.4 refuses to install because I need to run as an account with more rights than a full administrator. All I need now is Opera to give me grief.

  12. I wonder what really got fixed... by ItalianScallion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is something a little odd about this particular update-- Safari on my Mac had been acting very strangely lately-sucking up lots of processor, computer acting a bit odd. This is unusual. This seems to have been fixed by the update. Maybe just a coincidence?

    The question is: why is Apple so quiet about rolling this update out and what it fixes, and since when does a minor Safari update require a reboot?!!

    1. Re:I wonder what really got fixed... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

      The question is: why is Apple so quiet about rolling this update out and what it fixes, and since when does a minor Safari update require a reboot?!!

      It replaces more than the Safari application. It also, slightly, updates Webkit, which is a core library that numerous programs use. You can get by without rebooting if you just kill the update at the end then restart all the programs that use Webkit... but that's a bit advanced for most people and a reboot is easy.

      The erratic behavior of Safari could be caused by damaged resources which were replaced in this update, making it more useful to you than the average bloke.

  13. perfect score by edalytical · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought it was a perfect score. Not a almost perfect score.

    What I really want is some screenshots of what the anti-phishing behavior looks like. For all this talk about Safari 3.2 no one has bothered to try out the new features.

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  14. Want to re-login 250 sites? by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I tell you the real annoying bug. It erases cookies sometimes. Yes, the file itself (~Library/Cookies/Cookies.plist). It was documented by unsanity and said to be fixed at least on Intel but we, poor PPC users who made the mistake of jumping to Leopard still suffer from it.

    http://www.unsanity.org/archives/apple/apple_hates_bug_filers.php

    Ironically, it generally hits you when you report a bug to Apple, that is where the title comes from.

    I had to restore 2.2 MB of cookies from Time Machine today.

  15. Re:Update of Windows version too? by Ilgaz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows version is there too and it is a serious sounding security update.

    The actual release notes are at http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3298

    You should subscribe to Apple Security Updates mailing list for non PR infested update announcements.
    http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/security-announce

  16. Re:Update of Windows version too? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA doesn't call this out at all - does this update the Mac version only or is Windows also at 3.2?

    TFA provides a link to download the Windows version.

  17. That's a lie by donutello · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Trojan marching band only knows how to play one song.

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  18. "Quietly"? by realinvalidname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does putting Safari 3.2 on Software Update, where by default it will be received by every internet-connected Mac OS X user in the world, count as a release that was "quietly slipped out"?

    Granted, they're the new Bad Guy on /., but can we be a little less lazy and more accurate in our snide characterization of Apple's activities?

  19. Reboot by saunabad · · Score: 2, Informative

    And it looks like once again I'll have to reboot my Leopard macbook because of an update in a fucking web browser application. I've been really quite happy with OS X for last five years but lately this all has become really rather pointless. Too many lock-ups, too many bugs, too many reboots. Didn't see any of that with my iBook running Panther before. Looks like Apple tries to compete with price and the quality is gone.

  20. Re:Don't pay so much attention to the Acid3 score by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

    If a browser doesn't score a 100 on the Acid3 test, it fails. Period. A browser that scores an 18 doesn't fail any more (at least officially) than one that scores an 88.

    Then why do they bother with scores instead of just putting up the word "pass" or "fail"? Each part of the test hits a problem area of rendering and the more points a browser gets, the more of those cases they are compliant for. Higher scores do translate into greater standards compliance for the tested set.

    In order to pass, you need a score of 100 and the test page needs to look pixel-for-pixel like the reference rendering (which is a little redundant, but that's what it says on the test page itself).

    More than that, it has to run the animation smoothly using the specified reference hardware... at least according to the authors of the test.

    The higher score should raise a footnote perhaps, but you shouldn't be too concerned about it.

    It's more abut how current the version of Webkit they're including is. From the fact that it scores a 77 means htmlcore is likely a version from sometime last summer. Likewise the javascript performance tells you the javascriptcore is probably more recent.