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Pinpointing Creativity In the Brain

The Times Online has a lengthy story about the work being done to solve mysteries regarding the brain and various aspects of neuroscience. They discuss some of the "brain-training" myths and look at the quest to determine when and where creative thought originates. Quoting: "In fact, the whole process seems to be centred on one small part of the brain: the anterior superior temporal gyrus. This seems to be the point at which bits of information stored far apart in the brain are brought together. This may be an important clue as to how the brain organises itself. But it's only the beginning. At Goldsmiths College in London, Dr Joydeep Bhattacharya says the real issue is not the 'Aha!' moment itself, but the way it is produced in the brain and how we recognise it. 'We need to know the brain processes involved, to find how this moment is strong enough to reach consciousness. We know insight does not come from the sky.' This is the problem with all neuroscience. We don't really know what we are seeing."

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  1. Creativity a gift, or learned? by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember talking to one of my teachers once and saying to him that creativity can't be taught. He disagreed and said creativity comes from pressure and deadlines. Not really anything to do with this article, but I thought it was an interesting point nonetheless...

    1. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "He disagreed and said creativity comes from pressure and deadlines."

      I disagree, creativity comes from simply spending time on a problem. There are many problems that take years of sitting on before one comes to a conclusion in many fields, where a person has worked on a problem off and on in their spare time. Much 'creativity' is just as much spending time doing combinations in a random/blind search as anything else.

      If we had the ability to take what was imagined in a persons mind and directly translate it into images and sounds, I think we would see a lot more 'creativity' and 'genius'. Right now the bottleneck is getting the creativity out of the head, not the brain itself, but in expressing inward ideas and notions outwardly.

      I'm sure there are many 'genius' creatives out there who have sick genius imaginations but simply never had the inclination nor the means to express it.

  2. FTFA: the the Mann Gulch fire of 1949 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FTFA:

    At 6pm on August 5, 1949, a fireman named Wag Dodge and his crew found themselves cut off by a wildfire in Mann Gulch River Valley, Montana. A wall of flame was coming towards them at 30mph. Dodge took a match out of his pocket and set fire to the grass immediately in front of him, stepped into the cleared space, covered his face and pressed himself into the ground so that he could breathe the thin layer of air beneath the smoke cloud. The fire rushed over him and he survived. The other 13 members of the crew hadn't heard his order to do the same. They all died.

    The song Cold Missouri Waters is based on that event.

    (Note: There are a lot of bands that covered that song, but I like the cover by Cry Cry Cry the best, so that's the one I linked to. They also do a really good cover of REM's Fall on Me.)

  3. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Without having read the study, my contribution is that it's still early to concede that any particular part of the brain is the center of creativity, or that psychology actually has a specific definition for creativity.

    Ditto on not reading the article. I do however read a lot of Scientific American in it's various flavors. And I encourage you all to read SciAm: Mind Volume 19, Number 5, Oct/Nov 2008: Page 67. It's an article on how "colorful scans have lulled us into an oversimplified conception of the brain as a modular machine". Quite simply to try and suggest there is a creativity center when so many processes in the brain can be involved, and with as little as we really know, is as absurd to me as announcing they found a copy of the "Windows Task Manager" in the brain.

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    On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  4. Re:This article is a mess by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They also picked an unfortunate example here:

    "The discovery of the structure of DNA by Watson and Crick in 1953 was a clear example of convergent thinking â" the one correct answer was a double helix."

    Watson's story of the discovery moment of the double helix is a classic example of just the opposite: he says he was in a dream-like state and he saw the double helix floating in front of him.

  5. And once they pinpoint it... by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They can stop it... FOREVER!

    Or not, but you know there are some rather large and rather vocal groups out there who would rather humanity not be as creative as it is...

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  6. Correct. Crick took LSD and saw DNA structure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life

    BY ALUN REES

    FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

    The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

    Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

    See http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/francis_crick_dna_lsd.html

  7. Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by Atari400 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hi,

    I have bipolar disorder, a reasonably high IQ, and count myself as a creative person. It's difficult to describe how it feels to come up with something new, sometimes someone will just explain a problem to me, and I'll say straight away, "have you tried...." and they'll just look at me. It's kind of instant analysis and solution - I don't know where it comes from. When I was studying for my degree, I would try and come up with solutions that were non-standard, but still worked, just because I thought that was more interesting. At other times I'll get a sense that there's an answer wrapped up in the problem, one that no one else has found, but I have to really sit down and think about it. The longest I've thought about a problem (and come up with a solution) is 24 years. Of course, that was on and off thinking. It felt great when I got the answer.

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    IBM doesn't play chess with the Universe.
    1. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by leomekenkamp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As the poster above me already commented, there seems to be a connection between being bipolar and creativity. I do not know if you can watch BBC programs, but Stephen Fry (of "A Bit Of Fry And Laury (*)" comedy fame) is bipolar as well and highly creative (at times). He made a series of TV programs about it, talking to people with the same 'disorder'. I only saw one, but found it very fascinating.

      If you have not seen it, I would certainly suggest getting your hands on it.

      (*): That's Hugh Laury, who now plays dr. House in the US TV series "House".

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      Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
  8. That is actually well known phenomenon by S3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Creativity and bipolar disorder was studied lately, and it seems there is some correlation. Cognitive deficits in bipolar disorder seems insignificant or absent. Generally mental disorder often associated with super-creative people, and not only artistic. Goedel and arguably Perelman come to mind.

  9. Noisy brains? by VoidCrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exeriments on neural nets suggest that a trained net may generate 'ideas' based in its training if the 'neurons' are deliberately somewhat noisy.

    Some drugs make some people more creative. Weed has that effect on me... is it just ramping up the background neural noise level?

    My brother, who is Mister Focus with respect to my Miss Random, gets little or no effect from weed. Quote: 'It gives me a slight buzz; that's all'.

    Anyone ever done an MRI study on the effects of drugs?