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Pinpointing Creativity In the Brain

The Times Online has a lengthy story about the work being done to solve mysteries regarding the brain and various aspects of neuroscience. They discuss some of the "brain-training" myths and look at the quest to determine when and where creative thought originates. Quoting: "In fact, the whole process seems to be centred on one small part of the brain: the anterior superior temporal gyrus. This seems to be the point at which bits of information stored far apart in the brain are brought together. This may be an important clue as to how the brain organises itself. But it's only the beginning. At Goldsmiths College in London, Dr Joydeep Bhattacharya says the real issue is not the 'Aha!' moment itself, but the way it is produced in the brain and how we recognise it. 'We need to know the brain processes involved, to find how this moment is strong enough to reach consciousness. We know insight does not come from the sky.' This is the problem with all neuroscience. We don't really know what we are seeing."

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  1. Creativity a gift, or learned? by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember talking to one of my teachers once and saying to him that creativity can't be taught. He disagreed and said creativity comes from pressure and deadlines. Not really anything to do with this article, but I thought it was an interesting point nonetheless...

    1. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's different for different people I suppose. Those nuts who are always saying "I love a challenge, I love working under pressure."

    2. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely wrong. Stress increases focus on a singular task, while creativity needs to look at how many bits fit together.

      Cortisol, commonly referred to as the stress hormone. I believe is less about focus and more about creating memory for difficult or life threatening situations. Of course that only works when the stress is short term. Nowadays... well you know...

      --
      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  2. This article is a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is some sloppy neuroscience journalism for sure. For example, Phineas Gage *didn't* recover, he was left with an altered and uncontrolled psyche by his tamping rod accident--they missed the entire point of his story.

    The article is a wandering slop of poorly presented and disparate facts.

  3. Brain Workshop by De+Lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article:

    But don't despair: Susanne Jaeggi, a psychologist at the University of Michigan, may be able to help. She has devised a brain-training game that actually works. It's a strange, complex game involving sequences of squares on a computer screen, and it definitely improves "fluid intelligence" - the part of your mind that deals directly with the raw newness of experience or, as defined by Jaeggi, "the ability to reason and to solve new problems independently of previously acquired knowledge".

    Here is a link to the abstract of her study. And the project Brain Workshop has released an open source version of the game used in the study.

    1. Re:Brain Workshop by negRo_slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      âoeThereâ(TM)s no empirical evidence that these games produce improvements,â says Nancy Andreasen

      That may very well be the case but are they forgetting about the Placebo effect a game like Brain Age might induce? Or for that matter, isn't using your brain in any active matter preferable to just letting it sit idle and passive in front of say, a tv?

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      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  4. AHA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they are not looking for the 'Aha! moment', but for the 'Aha!, an Aha! moment'... I feel some sort of recursive problem arising.

    wait...

    AHA!

  5. Dr. Joydeep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I've found my new porn star name!

  6. Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by davecrusoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without having read the study, my contribution is that it's still early to concede that any particular part of the brain is the center of creativity, or that psychology actually has a specific definition for creativity.

    My own work focused on a different squiggly piece of cortex, called the Prefrontal Cortex, that is implicated in a range of abstract thinking processes, including those that don't seem to emerge until later adolescence.

    The good Doctor does seem to have an important insight in his work, which is that the locus of creativity (probably) starts much earlier than a thought present in our conscious mind.

    One possible idea is that our brain is constantly combining and recombining disparate data stored in memories; the presence of a creative thought is a novel combination that, when applied to a specific problem, results in a novel and perhaps workable solution.

    And, in finishing, I would agree that short-term training is unlikely to produce creativity, unless a) the training is extremely specific and b) the test is extremely specific, in which case I would wonder whether we're measuring creativity.

    Overall, however, scientific processes (MRI, etc) are so rough that it will be quite some time before we're able to actually "explore" and "find" the center of whatever creativity really is, and identify how it differs from other, more pedestrian thought processes.

    Cheers,
    --Dave

    1. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Without having read the study, my contribution is that it's still early to concede that any particular part of the brain is the center of creativity, or that psychology actually has a specific definition for creativity.

      Ditto on not reading the article. I do however read a lot of Scientific American in it's various flavors. And I encourage you all to read SciAm: Mind Volume 19, Number 5, Oct/Nov 2008: Page 67. It's an article on how "colorful scans have lulled us into an oversimplified conception of the brain as a modular machine". Quite simply to try and suggest there is a creativity center when so many processes in the brain can be involved, and with as little as we really know, is as absurd to me as announcing they found a copy of the "Windows Task Manager" in the brain.

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      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    2. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing you have to remember is that those colourful scans are basically showing p-values. The coloured bits are the parts that are statistically associated with some stimulus to some significance threshold.

      fMRI can't even image anything except change, and even then, if you look at the raw data you get something MUCH more complex than the neat little statistical blobs.

  7. It is that spot... by retech · · Score: 3, Funny

    most surrounded by THC and alcohol. Very easy to pinpoint.

  8. Correct. Crick took LSD and saw DNA structure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life

    BY ALUN REES

    FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

    The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

    Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

    See http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/francis_crick_dna_lsd.html

  9. Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by Atari400 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hi,

    I have bipolar disorder, a reasonably high IQ, and count myself as a creative person. It's difficult to describe how it feels to come up with something new, sometimes someone will just explain a problem to me, and I'll say straight away, "have you tried...." and they'll just look at me. It's kind of instant analysis and solution - I don't know where it comes from. When I was studying for my degree, I would try and come up with solutions that were non-standard, but still worked, just because I thought that was more interesting. At other times I'll get a sense that there's an answer wrapped up in the problem, one that no one else has found, but I have to really sit down and think about it. The longest I've thought about a problem (and come up with a solution) is 24 years. Of course, that was on and off thinking. It felt great when I got the answer.

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    IBM doesn't play chess with the Universe.
  10. That is actually well known phenomenon by S3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Creativity and bipolar disorder was studied lately, and it seems there is some correlation. Cognitive deficits in bipolar disorder seems insignificant or absent. Generally mental disorder often associated with super-creative people, and not only artistic. Goedel and arguably Perelman come to mind.