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LHC Repair To Cost At Least $21 Million

ThanatosMinor writes "September's quench at the Large Hadron Collider is going to cost CERN at least $21 million and delay future collisions until June of 2009 at the earliest. Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon."

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  1. I'm starting to believe... by Andr+T. · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:I'm starting to believe... by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

      This reminds me of my early childhood, when I bet my sister that no matter how many of her cookies she gave me I'd be able to eat them all.

    2. Re:I'm starting to believe... by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Informative

      We don't appreciate that kind of racism around here.

    3. Re:I'm starting to believe... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And Higgs is known as the God particle. Maybe God is stopping the construction of this modern Tower of Babel.

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  2. That's a bargain for a doomsday device! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Professor Farnsworth's doomsday devices are a lot more expensive and they haven't even been invented yet!

  3. When its back up... by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...they should fire that thing at a small gold pin. What could possibly go wrong?

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    1. Re:When its back up... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...they should fire that thing at a small gold pin. What could possibly go wrong?

      We slay an indeterminate number of dancing angels?

      I mean, if they're line dancing, then fair enough.

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  4. Perspective by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you worked at the LHC you too would be happy to hear "The repair will cost at least $21 million."... ... If the last comment before that was "Dear God it's all falling appart!".

  5. Re:First ouch! by Andr+T. · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:

    Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'

    Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'

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  6. zzzzzz by apodyopsis · · Score: 3, Funny

    bbc reported the same thing...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm

    I like their quote "The cost of the work will fall within the Cern's existing budget" though it does make me idly speculate on the size of their budget and how large a secret fortress I could build with it....

    1. Re:zzzzzz by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I like their quote "The cost of the work will fall within the Cern's existing budget" though it does make me idly speculate on the size of their budget and how large a secret fortress I could build with it...

      14 million quid is the price of a decent footballer. It's really not that much money at all. CERN's total budget runs to something like £700 million per year.

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    2. Re:zzzzzz by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Funny

      "how large a secret fortress I could build with it...."

      You'll can probably build some undergroung fortress with some 20km or 30km of radius, I guess. With a doomsday machine still on budget!

  7. Erm by sleeponthemic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Large Hadron Forever?

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    1. Re:Erm by Gibberx · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should see a doctor about that. It shouldn't persist for more than 4 hours.

  8. Gotta love the flamebait tag... by Pluvius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Complete sense-of-humor failure over there. It's also in a couple of the above replies.

    Rob

  9. Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" by maillemaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great work if you can get it. Need 20 million in funding? Drop a wrench into something that looks complicated. :)

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  10. Damn those scientists! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should have planned for this kind of thing and taken it into account, like by having a few months of performing shake-down tests and finding any problems then!

    Oh, wait...

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  11. Re:First ouch! by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:

    Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'

    Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'

    No you've got it all wrong. Its 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon, but with my new flux capacitor I can bring two person through into a parallel universe across the twenty-fifth dimension. One of them has to be me, because only I can control it and I was thinking perhaps you... but no it would mean staying in a confined space without light for hours

    several hours later: Gosh this parallel world is the one just like ours but where the laws of physics are different enough that the LHC didn't make a black hole'

  12. Dimensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The parallel universes in which the LHC works without failure are already wiped out by the LHC, that's why any concious being, like you, can only be in a universe in which the LHC fails!

    1. Re:Dimensions by ezzzD55J · · Score: 4, Funny

      The parallel universes in which the LHC works without failure are already wiped out by the LHC

      This is the.. unanthropological principle :) ?

  13. Re:Hey! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow that's old. But anyway...I'll reply here for the interested. Feel free to mod me offtopic (because I am):

    What killed BBSes was none of those things.

    1) That's why post/call ratios were invented. Duh.
    2) The technical clique were often right there with the gabbers. We talked to the gabbers to pick up chicks. Most of us were successful, too. I went on a few dates. None of them ever turned into anything serious, but it was still fun.
    3) Maybe. I lived in an area with lots of BBSes, and I don't think that having a number to choose from was a bad thing.
    4) Not sure the 'loss of anonymity' ever occurred 100%. The last BBS I ever signed onto I signed on with a handle. My BBS had handles right up until I took it down in 1992.
    6) Yes, the press were a bunch of arrogant pricks who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Don't think they had *that* much impact, though.
    7) I tend to agree, but there were also plenty of technically competent sysops, too, and so I don't think that ignorant sysops killed BBSes, either.

    Finally, what killed BBSes was cheap, widely available Internet access. After people saw 'Teh Intarweb!!!' BBSes just seemed to pale in comparison.

  14. Lies Kill by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The media portrayal of the LHC experiments has been branded as irresponsible and sensationalist by psychologists - especially since the death of a 16-year-old Indian girl, who killed herself after being distressed by the coverage on an Indian news channel."

    The threat to human life from people like KDawson posting sensationalist anti-LHC garbage to places like /. is real and documented. At least one person has actually, demonstrably died due to the precise behaviour that KDawson is exhibiting on this story.

    The supposed threat from the LHC, on the other hand, is a fantasy made up and promoted by irresponsible, money-hungry media shills like KDawson to sell ads.

    The LHC is safe. People like KDawson kill.

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    1. Re:Lies Kill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stupidity kills. That's ridiculous, claiming that he could kill people. You know what? I don't much like kdawson either, but anyone that kills themselves because they were told the world was going to end deserves a some kind of nationally recognised award for being a fucking moron.

      Her own abject stupidity, her appalling lack of critical thinking skills killed her. She killed herself because of a doomsday claim that she could've found to be false in an hour, if she actually bothered to evaluate it. She would've found that there have been thousands of doomsday claims over thousands of years, and that every single one was without merit. Ascertaining what is true is a necessary part of life. She failed because she was a fool, and then made a foolish choice based on a foolish assumption. She was a fool in the first place because her community didn't instill the value of thinking properly. They failed her, her school failed her, her family failed her, and she failed herself. And now she's dead.

    2. Re:Lies Kill by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's with everyone blaming kdawson? I thought it was a scientifically proven fact that KDawson never, ever reads the stories he publishes here, much less writes them.

  15. CERN's budget by andre.david · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CERN's budget is not secret at all. It is something like 800 million EUR per year.

    What intrigues me is that the numerical value has remained the same, despite inflation eating up its worth through the years...

  16. A dream come true! by C_Kode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon.

    It's been my life long dream to experience an Event Horizon. The only shame is I won't be able to contemplate such a great experience afterwards. ;)

    1. Re:A dream come true! by Krupuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure you can. You'll have an almost infinite amount of time to contemplate it ;)

  17. I bet they're kicking themselves by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    for not buying the extended warranty!

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  18. Re:First ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.

  19. Pocket change by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    The total cost of the is estimated to be somewhere between 3 billion to 7 billion. A couple of tens of millions will increase the overall cost by less than 1%.

  20. Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, but compare results! Bush succeeded in turning Iraq into a black hole, sucking in blood, money, and the least important thing, his reputation, the LHC has yet to create any!

  21. Re:First ouch! by cgenman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Exactly. Besides, the live webcam looks fine.

  22. actually by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least one person has killer herself because she went into an irrational panic, and did something stupid and rash. That's often a sign of psychological problems.

    Yeah, the media coverage has been sensationalist and dumb. But it didn't kill anyone.

  23. Black Hole Calculation by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm guessing that /.'ers know that the LHC is not going to form a black hole. In case you don't here's the math. Mass of a intermediate black hole = 1000x the mass of the sun Mass of the sun = 332,946x the mass of the Earth Mass of the Earth = 6x10^24 kg Therefor mass of black hole = 2x10^(33) kg Mass of a proton = 1.67x10^(-27) kg The crushing force of a black hole is caused by its density, a large mass in a small volume (1000x the mass of the sun in a 1,000km diameter ball -> ~size of the Earth). So flinging around 40 or so protons in a 27km diameter tunnel is not going to destroy our solar system (or reshape the galaxy).

    1. Re:Black Hole Calculation by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whether something is a black hole or not is not determined by mass but by density. In theory, if you can sqeeze the mass into a small enough volume it will collapse into a black hole. No one ever said that any produced black hole will destroy the solar system, let alone impact the galaxy.

      The worst case senario is the blackhole spirals through the Earths crust for the next few hundred thousand years, hardly ever absorbing any matter because of its extremely small size. Even if it were to eventually absorb all the matter of the Earth you would have a black hold smaller than the head of a pin, going around the exact same orbit with the exact same amount of gravitational attraction that the earth had.

      Of course, this ignores the fact that such a small black hole will almost instantaniously evaporate in a puff of Hawking radiation. It also ignores the fact that most likely the LHC is an order of magnitude too weak to produce the micro black holes at all. Finally, it ignores the fact that neutron stars exist. If the LHC is powerful enough to produce a stable black hole, then cosmic rays hitting neutron stars are too. After a few million years we wouldn't have neutron stars as they would all be converted to black holes.

      The point is, there are lots of reasons that the LHC won't destroy the Earth. Not having enough mass to produce a black hole isn't one of them.

    2. Re:Black Hole Calculation by stwf · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd also like to point out that the history of science is a history of being the smartest people on the planet being wrong.

      So don't throw numbers that you couldn't possibly back up with fact and think that they make me feel any better.

      Personally I figured God would stop the LHC from running if it were that dangerous, and so far that still gives me more comfort than your napkin back calculations.

  24. Re:Ignoramus invents singularities by Andr+T. · · Score: 4, Funny

    We can't. We're stuck in the joke horizon.

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  25. When Memes Collide by monkeyboythom · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is not the Sarah Conner you are looking for.

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  26. Re:First ouch! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought all slashdot moderators, by now, would be savvy to the practice of replying to a fp in order to get comments listed earlier in a discussion.

    And I also thought that most slashdot posters would be savvy to the use of tongue-in-cheekery... which assumes that the reader actually knows what's going on (which, if they are a regular slashdot reader, they should).

    Seriously. Whoosh.

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