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Dark Matter Discovered Near Solar System?

gpronger writes "The ATIC (Advanced Thin Ionization Calorimeter) has potentially discovered the presence of dark matter close (only 3000 light-years) to our solar system. The system detected a large-amount of high energy cosmic rays which match the theoretical signature of dark matter annihilating itself. The universe is believed to be composed of about 25% dark matter, but there has been little evidence of it. This discovery, if correct, would be the first." The paper was published in Nature , but it requires a subscription to see beyond the abstract.

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  1. zomg by Missing_dc · · Score: 5, Funny

    ZOMG, Mom, is that you?

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    1. Re:zomg by Missing_dc · · Score: 5, Informative

      see http://www.xkcd.com/502/ for the joke

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  2. Re:math hosers. by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have a background intensity that is a function of energy, B(E).

    Signal intensity is also a function of energy, S(E).

    The observed intensity I(E) is B(E) + S(E). The signal portion (observed intensity above background level) peaks at E = 650 GeV. At 800 GeV (and, one would assume, higher), the signal is small enough that the observed intensity is adequately explained only by background.

  3. close ? by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Funny

    This must be some meaning of 'close' that I was previously unaware of.

  4. the next logical question... by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    where is the dark antimatter?

  5. Re:Close to our Solar System by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Compared to intergalactic space, 3,000 light years is practically next door. It's all relative, and when it comes to astronomy, anything inside the Milky Way is considered close.

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  6. Common doublespeak! by east+coast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The universe is believed to be composed of about 25% dark matter, but there has been little evidence of it. This discovery, if correct, would be the first.

    If this would be the first evidence how can we already have a little evidence of it?

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    1. Re:Common doublespeak! by EveLibertine · · Score: 4, Informative

      The things that are considered "evidence" of dark matter are things that match prediction models of things that would happen because of dark matter. Fancy stuff like high energy cosmic rays of certain types and the like. The trick is that there are also may be other models that predict similar types of events that are used as evidence of dark matter, but these models are models that exclude the possibility of dark matter

      So, the evidence that points towards dark matter could also point towards other conflicting models of our universe, essentially being evidence for many different models at once. The reason discoveries of this kind of evidence is exciting is because it gives us something to look at and test so that we might select or eliminate from the groups of conflicting models.

    2. Re:Common doublespeak! by NeoSkink · · Score: 4, Informative

      No other theory works as well as dark matter (as part of LCDM) to explain obersavations. Other theories have to be changed to account for what we observe at pretty much every scale. Those that work for Galaxy rotation don't work for clusters, which don't work for lensing, which don't work for early structure formation, and so on. Sure, one or two pieces of evidence may favor one theory or another over dark matter, but LCDM fits in the vast majority of cases, far more than any other theory.

      Heck, you don't think that we scientists got together one day and said "I know, lets make up some goofy theory and then fudge the data to fit it!" do you? You do realize multiple theories were purposed, predictions were created, new data was taken, and conclusions drawn about which theories were supported by the new evidence, right? And that LCDM is the one that survived all the vetting? And that this process is still on going, yet LCDM still remains as the best theory?

      Just checking... See, that's sort of how science is supposed (and in this case does) work.

  7. Re:Holy crap. by spazdor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Over there, next to your regular one.

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  8. Bad summary. by JohnnyDanger · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary misinterprets the results.

    The instrument detects high-energy electrons. They found an excess (only 70, but statistically significant) with a particular energy, which if they come from a galactic source (like a pulsar), that source must be within 3000 light years. However, the researchers can't find an appropriate source.

    Alternatively, this could be due to annihilating dark matter---the energy spectrum matches some models---but that's not necessarily coming from a particular source.

  9. Re:math hosers. by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Informative
    Did TFA just royally f**k up its math or something?

    No, their math is just peachy.

    A figure like 650 GeV is the energy of ONE cosmic ray. Think of a graph of the number of rays arriving per second versus the energy of the individual rays. You're getting this many 400 GeV rays per second, this many 500 GeV rays, and so on.

    What TFA says is that LOTS of 650 GeV rays were arriving from the newly observed source, and hardly any 800 GeV rays except for the background rate that you get from everywhere in the sky.

    rj

  10. Re:Kinda Reminds Me of the Face on Mars by s.bots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless and until physicists can fully explain the true mechanism of movement in language that the layperson can understand, I'll remain highly skeptical of their more outlandish conclusions (black holes, wormholes, dark matter, dark energy, big bang, parallel universes, etc.), sorry.

    How do you expect the explanations in layman's terms to be any different than what we use now (what goes up must come down, at equilibrium every action has an equal and opposite reaction, object at rest stays at rest until acted upon, etc. etc. etc.)? These are extremely complex phenomena that, if described in layman's terms, cannot be accurately portrayed.

  11. Re:Close to our Solar System by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interestingly enough, the universe is almost certainly much bigger than you believe.

    Honestly, we have no idea and probably no real way of determining how big the universe really is. Nonetheless, the observable universe seems to be at least 90 billion light years in diameter. So, it'd be more like finding that random person in the same room.

  12. Re:Close to our Solar System by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Space can expand at any rate, including faster than light. The FTL restriction is on matter/energy moving through space. It is not a restriction on the geometry of space itself.

    As for where the estimated age comes from, your own link answers that.