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Apple Sued Over iPhone Browser

SpuriousLogic writes "A Los Angeles real estate developer is suing Apple for patent infringement over the way the iPhone navigates Web sites. The suit, which was filed on behalf of EMG Technology, seeks unspecified damages. EMG Technology is a company that holds the patents of Elliot Gottfurcht, the real estate developer, as well as Marlo Longstreet and Grant Gottfurcht. The company claims that the iPhone infringes on patent 7,441,196 — a patent that was approved only last month, after a filing process that began on March 13, 2006. That patent is for an invention that displays 'on-line content reformatted from a webpage in a hypertext markup language (HTML) format into an extensible markup language (XML) format to generate a sister site.' This sister site is a simplified version of the original site that is then displayed on any number of devices — including cell phones, EMG says."

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  1. Looking to test Bilski? by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's hope this case is the first of many to be swiftly decided for throwing out the patent entirely based on In re Bilski.

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    1. Re:Looking to test Bilski? by CubanCorona · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately, this patent contains apparatus claims as well as method claims.

      The Bilski decision was limited to method claims, and so it won't apply without a fairly liberal extension of that holding.

    2. Re:Looking to test Bilski? by Teilo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apparatus claims are not sufficient to get around In re Biski. Simply adding the words "On a computer" or "On a handheld device" (or long drawn-out complicated descriptions which equate to the same), to a process that is, in itself, purely algorithmic or an abstract process that could equally apply to any number of pre-existing machines, does not rise to the level of the machine requirement in In re Biski.

      I like to put it his way (though this is overly simplified, perhaps): If you come up with a novel way to use a screw driver, you cannot patent your method, because you didn't have to invent the screw driver to do it. The screw driver already existed.

      In this patent, you could substitute the words, "web page displayed in a browser, running on a hand-held computer with a touch screen" for the bulk of the claim copy. Well, none of that qualifies a process as unique to a specific machine. The fact that there are many different devices that meet his description, devices that are in no way intrinsically linked to this patent, brings this into direct conflict with In re Bilski.

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    3. Re:Looking to test Bilski? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dunno, if I discovered a way to browse webpages on my screwdriver, I'd probably be able to patent it legitimately... :D

    4. Re:Looking to test Bilski? by CubanCorona · · Score: 5, Informative

      From a completely subjective point of view, the thrust of your argument makes intuitive sense--why should a method that is not patent eligible be able to skirt this result by reciting a general purpose machine for its execution?

      Unfortunately, in the legal world, intuition must sometimes give way to legal formalisms.

      In this case the formalisms are the statutory categories of invention. Processes (methods) constitute one distinct statutory category, and machines (apparatuses) another.

      Getting back to your point, you are correct to say that, after Bilski, a method (process) claim that is otherwise not patent eligible may not become eligible by simply providing that the disclosed method is executed on a general purpose machine (computer).

      HOWEVER, an apparatus claim is separate and distinct from a method claim that is tied to an apparatus.

      So while it is true that tying a method claim to a general purpose computer is not sufficient to overcome Bilski's machine requirement, it remains true that the holding of Bilski DOES NOT APPLY TO APPARATUS CLAIMS.

      As an example, consider the following:

      Method claim: "A method of ... comprising the steps of ...."

      Method claim tied to a general purpose computer: "A method of ... executed by a computer processor, comprising the steps of ...."

      APPARATUS claim: "A computer readable storage medium containing instructions, when executed by a computer processor, operable to ...."

    5. Re:Looking to test Bilski? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Absolutely correct. The iPhone browser is a different UI built on top of a tweaked WebKit. It does not use XML or page simplification techniques in any way. I'm pretty baffled by this suit. About all I can imagine is that some web site served a simplified site to this company's iPhone based on a browser match and these folks with their complete lack of technical knowledge assumed that the iPhone did the simplification, which couldn't be farther removed from reality without talking about Internet gnomes sending messages through a series of tubes....

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  2. Yet another patent troll. by neowolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So- they essentially patented WAP? I think Apple can come up with enough "prior artwork" for this one. It's unfortunate though that companies like this (EMG) are allowed to even exist. When will it end?

    1. Re:Yet another patent troll. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

      So- they essentially patented WAP?

      No, it's worse than that. They basically patented XSLT, and the application of it to target different devices.

      Another completely retarded patent.

  3. Decoding anyone? by Leafheart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So they got a patent on decoding and interpreting? Isn't that covered by prior art with things like PDFCreator, or is it enough to change file types to get it?

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  4. Patent reform by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We need some serious patent reform. Patents are good and necessary in general but many of these go too far or are too vague or are not based on working prototypes.

    How long before we see a patent on "a system of placing letters and numbers in sequential order in order to convey something meaningful"?

    1. Re:Patent reform by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 5, Funny

      How long before we see a patent on "a system of placing letters and numbers in sequential order in order to convey something meaningful"?

      Sadly, there's no prior art for this on the internet...

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  5. Uh... wrong browser? by Millennium · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know Opera Mini and some other mobile browsers do this, but I thought Safari worked on the HTML itself. Wouldn't that render the patent irrelevant?

    1. Re:Uh... wrong browser? by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're going to interpret rendering a page with less "features" as generating a sister site then Mosaic 1.0 is prior art for this patent. Try browsing the web with Mosaic 1.0 and you'll see a drastically different web "scaled down" for older computers by cutting out Flash, Java, Javascript, CSS... hell, it may not have even supported tables.

  6. Oh boy... by Linuss · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope my patent for hamburgers is approved soon, i filed it in 1607 and want to sue mcdonalds. truth.

  7. Re:Question by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do both, and then walk in to your boss's office and give them a hug. Offer no explaination when pressed.

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  8. Re:But... they sued the wrong company by powerlord · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Four possibilities:

    1) They wish to claim that "scaled down" is included in their definition of a "Sister site" (absurd)

    2) They believe the Safari browser in the iPhone is not showing the "real" site (uninformed)

    3) They are trying to use Safari as a test case since Apple's best argument is that it "doesn't scale things". Even if they lose, they can't point to this lawsuit and use it as a basis to force other cell phone makers to pay up (since they can't claim apple's defense) (unlikely, but plausible. IANAL)

    4) They are going after Apple because its the "hot" thing with lots of money to go after (likely)

    Anyone have any other ideas? :)

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  9. Re:But... they sued the wrong company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone have any other ideas? :)

    5) They're a real estate company that doesn't know their head from their ass. -ets.

  10. Re:Oh, well... by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is certainly a necessary invention for a real estate developer...otherwise how could they display information about their latest housing projects or large malls on an iPhone?!

    You're only allowed to invent something that you can personally use? You do know that tampons weren't invented by a woman, right?

  11. Junk patent: lots of prior work by lieuwen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The patent examiners seems to have missed all the prior work at WWW. For instance,
    Juliana Freire, Bharat Kumar, Daniel F. Lieuwen: WebViews: accessing personalized web content and services. WWW 2001: 576-586
    Anyone reasonably skilled in the art could have gone from my paper to that claim without much trouble---we use htmltidy to turn html into xml and used xpath to extract pieces out of it which we could transcode in various ways including in voicexml. We built a system that did just that. And thats just one paper. WWW had a number of papers, any which of them should have killed this patent if the patent examiner had done the proper due diligence.

  12. There's prior art by TeXMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Opera has been doing this kind of stuff (the specific things discussed in the patent, I mean, not the patent trolling itself) since they got heavily into the mobile business anyway. Opera Mini, specifically, was officially launched on 2006-01-24, which is before that patent was filed. Earlier releases, which already used methods and apparati addressed by this patent, were already deployed in 2005.

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  13. Prior Art by Dragoon412 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, IANAL. I am a law student with IP and patent law classes under my belt, but I'm still just a law student. Take the following with a grain of salt.

    In a lot of the patent articles on Slashdot, where someone will ask "Isn't X prior art?" Often, even though it seems intuitively that it should be, it's not.

    Actual prior art, which would be sufficient to legally defeat a patent, must read on all of a patent's claims. Assume the patent in question has claims (basically, technical description of features) A, B, and C. You research patents, and you find older patents:

    Patent 1 has claims A and B.
    Patent 2 has claims B and C.
    Patent 3 has claims A and C.

    None of those will defeat the patent in question on prior art grounds, because none of them include all of the claims A, B, and C.

    What you may have at that point is an obviousness objection. You could argue that because there are patents 1-3 exist, that combining them to create A, B, and C was so obvious to someone skilled in the art that the patent should be invalidated for failing to be non-obvious. But that's different than prior art.

    Having a patent invalidated for prior art is actually pretty uncommon. Obviousness issues are more common, but often, it's cheaper to just settle.

  14. Re:Yet another patent troll by geobeck · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think Apple can come up with enough "prior artwork" for this one.

    Changing "prior art" to "prior artwork" paints an interesting picture of a potential courtroom exchange...

    "I would like to present Exhibit A, "Motherboard Descending a Staircase" by Ed Picasso, painted in January 2006. Despite its neo-cubist style, this work shows an example of "client hardware architecture" much more clearly than the patent troll--I mean, defendant's patent documents.

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  15. Re:Oh, well... by FreakinSyco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your shitting me right?