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Computer For a Child?

jameswing writes "I am thinking of buying a UMPC, such as an Eee PC or a Wind for my son, and wanted to get input from Slashdot. He is almost 2 and really curious about our computers, and anything electronic. I want to foster this in him, without having him on my desktop or laptop. I also don't really like the idea of getting one of those cheap 'Learning Laptops' that have a tiny screen and are really limited. Does anybody have one that they use with their children? How sturdy is it? Will it stand up to a 2-year-old? If not, what are good alternatives? What are your thoughts? Suggestions?"

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  1. Oh, get over yourself by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your son is not a prodigy. At "nearly 2" he's about ready for playing "What sound does this animal make?" games. With you though, not with some electronic babysitter.

    This question is nonsensical. Come back in 3 years, and we can talk.

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    1. Re:Oh, get over yourself by g253 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're absolutely right of course. This kid's not interested in "anything electronic", he's interested in anything that goes "ping" or flashes pretty lights.
      A toy laptop with only a spelling game on it is not limited if the kid is unable to spell, is it?

      Wait until he can hold a pencil and write his name with it. Then consider getting him a computer.

    2. Re:Oh, get over yourself by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's not curious about your computers, he's just trying to do whatever it is you're doing. If you were reading a newspaper he'd be "interested in newspapers". If you were peeling potatoes he'd be "interested in starchy tubers".

      From the sound of it you need to spend less time surfing the web and devote more time to the young person that YOU brought into the world.

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    3. Re:Oh, get over yourself by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. What we did with our kids at 2 and 3 was sit them on our laps at our computer and put on a counting game or spelling game. I think their first counting one was "Amy Fun 2 3" which was a DOS program (OK, so I am old). Eventually, as they got a bit older (5, 6) we let them have that computer and I got a new one for me.

      The parent and GP are totally correct. A 2 year old needs GUIDED learning, not "here's a small computer, go play".

    4. Re:Oh, get over yourself by phoomp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. A UMPC is way overkill for a 2yr old. When my daughter was 3, I was spending a lot of time working at home on my laptop. She was obsessed with it and insisted on pounding on the keyboard while I was working on it. To keep her from pounding on my shiny new laptop, I decided to get a toy laptop for her. Shopping around, I found many in the $60 range. Then I spotted an old used laptop for $30 and got that instead and put a bunch of kid-friendly software onto it. Kids don't need the latest and greatest, unless you're looking for an excuse to get the latest and greatest. Most software for kids still runs on 486 processors.

    5. Re:Oh, get over yourself by Robocoastie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rogerborg is absolutely correct. Any interest your child has in computers right now is simply because he sees you at the computer so he's doing what children do: monkey see monkey do. What I did for my child when she "showed an interest" is gaver her an old keyboard which at 5 she still plays with. At 5 the computer things she does is limited to noggin.com pbskids.com sproutonline.com and a couple Disney Pooh games that are simple point and click. Even those kid-friendly websites still have too many links to non-games and ads that frustrate her. It takes time to develop the understanding what's on a screen (especially when their reading is non-existant or limited) and the dexterity to work a mouse or trackball. At 2 you're better off with lightup music toys. My 2 copper is get him a toy piano keyboard with flashy lights :)

    6. Re:Oh, get over yourself by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I was a child we had an old machine my dad had salvaged from the skip at work, when I was about 3 I started playing a simple maths game, I don't know whether it was my sister or parents who first put me playing it but I remember the game well.

      It had a list of different games with counting and memory stuff, the one I remember best was the addition game.
      It printed up something like "5+3=" in big primary coulors on a blue background with 5 baloons below the 5 and 3 baloons bellow the 3 etc. Hell the answer would never be more than 9 so there was only a handful of different sums.

      It had a fairly awful voice synth which would speak the question and and then if you got it correct you'd get one of 4 or 5 silly complements "That's fantastic!" "great!" etc etc
      Perfect for kids in other words.

      It kept score in the bottom right corner with how many answers you'd got correct.
      I'd sit in front of it for hours enthralled. My mother relates how I used to proudly march into the kitchen at age 3 and 4 and announce "I've got half a hundred!" "I've got a hundred!" etc

      I'd love to find a copy of this or some updated version with better sound as it really was fantastic. Hell I'd be half tempted to write my own version of it if I ever had kids of my own.

      I learned math before I ever learned how to read or write with a pencil. It was dull in school when we were being taught basic math and I was bored because the class was trying to understand the concept of plus and minus. But it put me ahead in math and once you're ahead it's easy to stay ahead.

      I owe a great deal to that game and my family for sitting me in front of it. If anyone knows what this is called or where to find it I'd love to know who the dev was so I can thank them.

      At the same time I wish my dad had sat down with me at a young age and taught me how to code a little.
      He tended to hand me manuals which while fine for students tends to be a bit of a hurdle when you don't understand most of the words on the first page and get discouraged.

    7. Re:Oh, get over yourself by spazdor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please forgive me my heinous crime of threadjacking, but I can't possibly reply to everyone so I'm just gonna aim for the top of the comments page.

      This question has provoked a flood of condescending "OMG, YOU WANT TO LOCK YOUR TODDLER IN A ROOM WITH A COMPUTER AND NEVER INTERACT WITH HIM EVER? LEARN TO PARENT, SHITFACE" type of comments, and they're dumb.

      Relax, guys. The OP didn't say anything about the level of involvement he wants to maintain with his kid's computer activities, he didn't ask you which laptop would make the best babysitter, he just asked about sturdiness and kid-friendliness.

      For all you know, his plan is to do all of the hands-on stuff that you're lecturing him on, play some blinky, noisy sheep-goes-baa games together, and he just doesn't want to clean burp goo out of his work laptop. Maybe his plan is to gradually expand the computer activities as the kid's skills and autonomy grow.

      I have noticed that Slashdotters, while not being an especially baby-having demographic themselves, are just full of haughty, authoritative-sounding advice about what kids need. Am I detecting some psychological projection here, or what?

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  2. C'mon...this is crazy! by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're joking, right? It sounds like this is more for you than for your son. Look, we all want our children to be interested in what we're interested in, but don't you think that this is a little overkill and a little pushy? All children are interested by lights and sounds, etc. but that doesn't mean that he is ready for his own real computer. Buy him one of those toy ones that make sounds and have big flashing lights, he'll like it better and when he breaks it, you'll only be out twenty bucks.

  3. DEFINATELY the OLPC by SpaceGhost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a first day Give One Get One (G1G1) buyer of the OLPC, and although it certainly doesn't match the specs or convenience of the newer UMPCs, it is amazingly good at what it is designed for - an easy to use and super durable computer for children. Two is pretty young, they need to know not to smash the screen, but aside from that the OLPC has an excellent interface. There really isnt any competition. They just restarted the OLPC G1G1 on Amazon, but you can probably find one at a decent price on eBay - dont be in a rush and you'll get a good deal. You'll find it fun to play with too!

  4. Gen Two by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give him one of your old computers, an internet connection, and a Gentoo boot disk. Let him figure it out from there.

    Let's get realistic here. The kid doesn't read or even understand what the different keys on the keyboard are at this age. A conventional computer won't teach him that. Maybe you should set the bar within his reach for the next couple years. A toy computer that presents him with challenges that are appropriate for his cognitive level will be far more educational.

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  5. Getting ahead of yourself by KeithIrwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Two-year-olds are not old enough to understand how to treat things gently. I don't think it's possible to make a laptop that can stand up to a two-year-old unless you encased the whole thing (including the keyboard) in about a two-inch thick layer of plastic. Two-year-olds throw terrible tantrums. They're known for it. They'll often smash things up when they're angry. When my step daughter was two and upset, she ripped every page out of Blueberries For Sal. They don't understand the consequences of their actions. Whether or not he's curious about computers, age two is too soon. Wait, at least, until he gets to an age where he doesn't throw tantrums (which will probably be a little before age three if you don't make a practice of giving in when he throws tantrums and will probably be about age fifteen otherwise).

    At three, he'd at least be less likely to break it quickly. Personally, I'd probably wait until age four or so since he's more likely to have the needed cognitive skills to do things like recognize symbols at that age. But regardless of whether you wait until age three or age four, "almost two" is significantly too early for a computer.

  6. Wait until he can READ! Unbelievable... by Eganicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You need to "foster" Computer & Gaming interests in kids? Ever read the news? You need to force them to stop playing video games and DO HOMEWORK or go outside! You don't need to "teach" them to look at shiny blinking lights..... Why does this person as a parent frighten me?

    1. Re:Wait until he can READ! Unbelievable... by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does this person as a parent frighten me?

      Because it sounds like he is parenting for his own gratification by trying to force a "Mini-Me" identity upon his son instead of letting the child develop in a normal progression. It's disturbing.

  7. The universal gift. by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A box of crayons and a cardboard box big enough to sit in. Turn it on its side for cave-y goodness (2 is a bit too young for spaceship goodness).
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  8. he's too young by hvulin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    give him a break... for a couple more years...

    and btw. he will always end up on your laptop (even if you give him 10 alternative computers to play with) since forbidden fruit is always the sweetest...

  9. MOD PARENT UP by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The sort of response you are chastising is very typical of ask slashdot responses. And there is nothing wrong with using the computer (or the TV) as a babysitter now and then for a short time, in the same way that you give a child a toy to play with by themselves.

    If you spent every waking moment with your child you would both go insane, and you'd never get anything else done - meals still have to be cooked, dishes have to be cleaned, clothes have to be washed, etc, and everyone needs a few minutes to chill out and relax for a few minutes.

    Obviously if you expect your child to spend every waking minute in front of a TV or on a computer then something is wrong, but the OP never said that, and never even implied that.