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Accident Could Lead To Better Digital Cameras

Dave Bullock (eecue) writes "Scientists at UCLA have accidentally created a material that will some day give us better, faster, cheaper, more flexible digital cameras. I toured their lab and shot a photo essay for Wired. Personally I'm looking forward to a quantum-dot embedded camera sensor someday soon. 'Graduate student Hsiang-Yu Chen was working on a new formula for solar cells when something went wrong. Instead of creating electricity when hit with light, the conductivity of the material she was working with changed. "The original purpose [was] to make a solar cell more efficient," says Chen. "However, during the research we found the solar cell phenomenon [had] disappeared." Instead, the test material showed high gain photoconductivity, indicating potential use as a photo sensor.'"

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  1. No, you won't see it any day soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...you'll see a niblet of it, dangled in front of you like a carrot, and then another niblet, and then another. Never will you get a product bringing out the "whoa, this is something totally new, and so much better thatn what we used to have!" in you - and it's just plain ol' business, as usual.

    Seen any of those "whoa!" 3CCD consumer digicams on the market lately? ;)

    1. Re:No, you won't see it any day soon... by sssssss27 · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:No, you won't see it any day soon... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he means 3CCD dedicated still camera, not a 3CCD video camera that can do stills.

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    3. Re:No, you won't see it any day soon... by jebrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's a still camera, try clicking the link before saying it's not something it is.

    4. Re:No, you won't see it any day soon... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      foveon x3!= 3ccd.

      3ccd are three ccds and a colour-separation prism.
      foveon x3 is a single ccd sensor with three layers.

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  2. Nice accident... by oskard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientific accidents have brought some of the most groundbreaking discoveries - vulcanized rubber, X-rays, penicillin

    I like how they compare 3 things that have been unimaginably advantageous to the human race to something that will allow me to view better-quality porn.

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    1. Re:Nice accident... by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You really need screen-sized pimples to get off?

      The biggest problem with most digital cameras at this point is that they have tiny, low quality lenses pointed at tiny little sensors. The next problem is that the operator is incompetent (I take horrible pictures).

      Instead of over-sized 5 megabyte, poorly framed, poorly lit snapshots that are the norm today, we are going to have super-sized 25 megabyte, poorly framed, poorly lit snapshots.

      Hopefully the increase in speed is decent.

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    2. Re:Nice accident... by GuyverDH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude...

      As anyone who's ever viewed porn at higher resolutions / definition can attest, it doesn't make it better, it brings out every flaw in greater detail - making you wish you'd never upgraded....

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    3. Re:Nice accident... by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, the rubber and the penicillin are obvious...

      but X-rays???

    4. Re:Nice accident... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I like how they compare 3 things that have been unimaginably advantageous to the human race to something that will allow me to view better-quality porn.

      How is this rated funny, real people are trying to earn a living with porn. You insensitive clod.

      Parts of the people may be real, other parts are not!

    5. Re:Nice accident... by mgblst · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is this your reason for avoiding real life contacts as well? Or do you close your eyes when you get intimate with a women.

    6. Re:Nice accident... by linzeal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just close my eyes and hope they are women.

  3. That's great... by decalod85 · · Score: 4, Funny

    but the assignment was to make a better solar cell. That's an 'F' for you, Chen!

    1. Re:That's great... by Bearpaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, though she was smart enough to not just toss the mistake away as worthless. That's the trick with accidental discoveries -- recognizing that the result is valuable even if it isn't the result you were looking for.

      (And the lab is still working on better solar cells.)

    2. Re:That's great... by 3vi1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now THAT's insightful. Both on Chen's part, and the parent post.

    3. Re:That's great... by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or, to quote Asimov:

      The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
      discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...'

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    4. Re:That's great... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't that just like slashdot?
      Everybody's aiming for +5 Insightful but it's even better when you get +5 Funny!

    5. Re:That's great... by Dice · · Score: 3, Funny

      Personally, I've been striving for +5, Flamebait.

    6. Re:That's great... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      (And the lab is still working on better solar cells.)

      And after many years of creating better photo sensors for cameras, low-leakage transistors for embedded computers, denser hard drive storage, a material for denser optical disks, and a new formula for Coke that people actually like better than the old one, but never a single improvement in solar cell technology, they give up in disgust.

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  4. Old News by bmwm3nut · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is fairly old news. We've been seeing the same stuff in our lab for about 8 years (also came across it during Quantum Dot research). It's been very hard to characterize. Cool stuff. Since you have x, y, and z resolution when you're "writing" to the photosensitive material, and these spots can be diffraction limited in size, you can imagine the storage density of read-only optical media for this.

  5. Hi, Xiao Hsiang-Yu by srussia · · Score: 3, Funny

    Congrats, but--"Pix, or it didn't happen!"

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  6. Summary of Slashdot posts by Danathar · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Dup!

    2. We've been doing that for YEARS...nothing special move along.

    3. Duh...

    4. Unless I invented it myself I don't believe it.

    5. Dick Cheney will probably patent this and sit on it.

  7. Re:Whoa There Chen by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry to break the news, but just because you created something photo-conductive, even super-off-the-charts-photo-conductive doesn't mean it will become a digital camera sensor.

    But it might be good for that, or good for something else. If you don't fund her project *cough cough*, we'll never know.

    My question is, how is it that a UCLA grad student got a whole article out of bad research?

    She had novel results. That's plenty to get an article published. The journal doesn't care that it wasn't the purpose of the grant, they just care if the results are significant and novel. Unexpected results != bad research.

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  8. Re:Whoa There Chen by bombtime · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not true at all. Sharpness of a given lens may be diffraction limited at a given aperture, but that doesn't mean better sensors are worthless! Light sensitivity and dynamic range are the true limiting factors for digital imaging. Any technology that increases either will move digital closer to film, which has been the goal all along.

  9. Re:A comic strip I read... by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That was a reference to an Isaac Asimov quote.

    *leaves work early to buy more Ovalkwik*

  10. Not so fast. by Phurge · · Score: 2, Informative

    "we are already at the point where it's the LENS that's the limiting factor for picture quality"

    Not at all - 22mpix is about film resolution, which is just becoming widespread with the 5Dmk2 and D3X. Long way to go before that's on my phone. Similarly there's a long way to go with ISO. The 5Dmk2 has 25000 iso, but its still not perfect. Lots of room for improvement there and that's just two areas.

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    1. Re:Not so fast. by g0at · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you are proving the parent's point.

      Parent:

      we are already at the point where it's the LENS that's the limiting factor for picture quality

      You:

      Not at all - 22mpix is about film resolution [...] Long way to go before that's on my phone.

      The lens on your phone is a piece of shit; a better lens will make your phone's 1 megapixel picture look better than would a 22 megapixel sensor.

      -b

  11. Left With The Impression... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm left with the impression that the author of the article is coming to conclusions about this materials success and marketability that are way above his pay grade.

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  12. Re:Whoa There Chen by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Digital already surpasses film for light sensitivity, I can shoot from ISO-50 to ISO-3200 with my sub $500 DSLR. It will be quite grainy at ISO-3200 but so will film. As the examples at this site show modern digitals also have a greater dynamic range then typical films. Also the existence of HDR imaging shows that in practice you can achieve significantly higher dynamic range using digital techniques than you could with film.

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  13. Re:and these exciting science news ... by eecue · · Score: 3, Informative
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  14. Me Too! by maz2331 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, maybe -1, Flamebait times 5.

    I have some karma to burn, and it's sometimes fun to tweak the $WHATEVER_GROUP of the day that pisses me off.