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Race and Racism In Video Games

SlappingOysters writes "Racism in video games has been a key topic of discussion in the game industry this year, thanks in large part to the controversy surrounding the Resident Evil 5 launch trailer. In this article, GamePlayer speaks to developers, publishers, activists and journalists about the issue to get various perspectives and insights into how the video game industry is moving forward on the topic of racism. A related piece also has interviews with Sue Clark from the UK's Classification Board and Dr. Griseldis Kirsch, a lecturer in Contemporary Japanese Studies, about how racism in video games is viewed by the BBFC and Japan respectively."

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  1. Remember kids by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's ok to celebrate the variation and uniqueness of fictional races, like elves and hobbits and orcs, but you can never think about the differences between real races.

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    1. Re:Remember kids by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 5, Informative

      to be pedantic.... elves, hobbits and orcs are different species.

    2. Re:Remember kids by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Best... pedant... ever.

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    3. Re:Remember kids by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Informative

      Turn in your nerd card.

      "The lands of Middle-earth are populated by Men (humans) and other humanoid races (Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, and Orcs), as well as many other creatures, both real and fantastic (Ents, Wargs, Balrogs, Trolls, etc.)."

      Tolkien defines.

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    4. Re:Remember kids by Shados · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because elves live for a thousand years and dwarves have darkvision.

      So-called "races" don't have intrinsic differences.

      Are you sure about that? Look at the percentage of south africans and chinese who are lactose intolerant, and asians who are near sighted.

      So well...

      Race: Caucasian
      No stat bonus or penalty
      Racial ability at level 1: Able to see more than 3 feets away without contacts.
      Racial ability at level 3: can digest milk even after reaching level 4

      The caucasian also has -1 * Charisma modifier to the "Humility" skill.

    5. Re:Remember kids by Repton · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tolkien was unclear on the nature of orcs. The problem is that Melkor could not simply create them, the way Aule did the dwarves, because Aule needed Illuvatar to intercede and give the dwarves life, and he was hardly likele to do that with Melkor. Tolkien appears to have advanced several possibilities:

      Firstly, presented in _The Silmarilion_, is the idea that orcs are corruptions of elves. Melkor captured elves (and, later, men), twisted and wrecked them, and ended up with orcs. Possibly there may have been corrupted maia amongst them too, as leaders and spies.

      Secondly, that orcs were not "thinking peoples", like elves/men/dwarves; rather they were intelligent beasts in man-shape, of the same theological status as wargs, the talking ravens in _The Hobbit_, as (perhaps) the great eagles, etc.

      Thirdly, a variant on the preceding: orcs are beasts, but infused with the dispersed power of Melkor, giving them the ability for independent action. The spirit of Melkor is one of hate, thus orcs will fight amongst themselves, rebel (especially against Sauron or Saruman, neither of whom is Melkor).

      Ref: http://www.thetolkienwiki.org/wiki.cgi?The__Origin__of__Orcs

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    6. Re:Remember kids by denzacar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, if you have blue eyes. You can get hurt by the sun more.

      And of course, white skin... = sun burn.

      So, blue eyes are -1 to perception during day, but they give added bonus to speech and leadership skills.
      And white skin increases the damage received for first 5 levels, and adds a 2% chance increase for a critical hit to turn into skin cancer.

      Black skin on the other hand offers natural nocturnal camouflage.

      Asians get 13% higher life expectancy and receive 31% more gold than whiteys, and 5% intelligence bonus.

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  2. Re:My education by reginaldo · · Score: 5, Informative

    SO Brazilians are green skinned monsters that can create electric fields to you? Cooool.

  3. I have a dream by LtGordon · · Score: 4, Funny

    that one day on the red hills of Silicon Valley, the sons of former Pac-Men and the sons of Blinky, Pinky, Inky, and Clyde will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that my four little children will one day play a game where they will not be judged by the color of their avatar, but by the content of their player stats.

  4. Perhaps... by psnyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How ironic to think that perhaps (just perhaps) a game developer, or movie director, who isn't at all racist, wasn't at even thinking about race, may have created something based in a certain country. And in that country they just saw people as "people".

    And then, the players of a game, or viewers of a movie turn out to actually place more of a distinction on "races" than the developer. They see the skin color, or different shaped eyes, and it becomes an issue to "them" where it wasn't to the creators. They start screaming "racist" and "bigot", when in fact they scream it at people more innocent then them.

    Perhaps things like this are rare, but I've seen similar things in my own life. People who I know aren't even thinking about distinctions between so called "races" getting yelled at by people who are.

    Racism in any form should not be tolerated. But we should be sure that there's a blanket, derogatory emphasis placed on someone simply because of their group, and not the content of their personal character.

    1. Re:Perhaps... by sssssss27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That happened to my friend once. He was working at a bowling alley where they keep the pool sticks behind the counter. Some Spanish kids wanted to play pool and my friend, who is white, said he would get to them when he could because the place was busy. It took him a little bit to get to them but when he finally did their parents were yelling at him calling him racist for making them wait. My friend, who was fed up with always be called racist since he was white working in a predominately Spanish area, finally snapped and yelled back at the guy why is he a racist, why can't he just be a jerk. If he was Spanish and he made them wait would he have been called racist?

  5. Re:First by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Racism is a lot like the Bible code: if you look hard enough, you can find it anywhere.

  6. Re:important issue by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am a game developer. Let me assure you that explicit racism and sexism is long a thing of the past in video games. Today's problem is getting past the archytypical stereotypes that all media reach for when it is 9 PM and you really need to write in a character before you can go home.

    In terms of racism, video games have more or less the same preponderance of "Black best friends" as other modern media. There is the spunky old black engineer with only the slightest bit of white hair. There are the seductive, ass-kicking amazonian black women. There is the black player 2 character, who is black mainly so that he looks different from player 1. You won't see any blackface 1930's stereotypes, but you also won't see a lot of black leading men in nontraditional roles.

    Gender tends to receive a worse treatment than other media, unfortunately, as A: there are far fewer female game developers, which tends to promote a teenage view of gender and B: gender stereotypes are actually useful from a gameplay context (rescue the princess, smaller / faster / weaker, etc). I haven't ever seen a game where the female character is a worse driver, but I've definitely seen games where the female characters needed to be a bit less of a teenage male fantasy. Female representations in gaming are approximately at the same place as they were in early 90's music videos: better than 10 years ago, but still with a ways to go.

  7. Re:Game categories... by cgenman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that there are more Mac users than racists.

    Why do you think they're only available in white?

    (I kid, I kid)

  8. Re:Blacks have too much power by zarthrag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... ...
    (I'm not sure if I should just play it off and laugh because you're probably kidding, or simply open fire.)

    I'm a developer who works *damn* hard at what I do. It wasn't some affirmative-action crap either - I just kick ass.
    I didn't/don't do every woman on the block, and I don't have aids.
    I didn't grow up in "the hood" - (hell, my graduating class was 36.)
    I rake in the bucks.
    I own my home.
    I spend as much time as I can with my family.
    I'm black.

    Seems to me, the only downside is having to listen to people like you spew bile because you're too fucking stupid to climb out of the rut you're in.

    Japan has been recessed for awhile and has the highest suicide rate in the world - I'm sure work has a lot to do with it.
    China, lets not talk about China too much. Maybe the coal-mine near your trailer park is hiring?

    This is a country where with just a little opportunity can go a long way. But only for people who don't spend their time doing what you're doing: nothing.

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  9. There's more than one kind of racism. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's active racism. It's the virulent kind. The asshole with shaved heads attacking people on the street.

    There's passive racism. It's just as evil, but not as out in the open. It's the asshole in a suit and tie who prefers to hire certain kinds of people for certain kinds of jobs.

    There's latent racism. It's in no way malignant. It's when someone honestly doesn't think about races or and differences between them, but they can accidentally say something stupid or offensive. Like when Tony Snow made his "tar baby" comment.

    In video game development, I see latent racism. In many games all of the central characters are white. The game developers probably never even though about racial issues. They just made a game. Being rendered invisible is almost as hurtful as being actively discriminated against. In the first several GTA games the central character is white. In San Andreas, the central characters are almost all black and THAT'S when people notice. I salute Rockstar for making an effort.

    LK

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  10. Re:First by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Funny

    As an escaped convict, I take offense to your generalizations that escaped convicts like to ass rape people.

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  11. Re:My education by pizzach · · Score: 4, Funny

    Games that defined my view of the races in my youth: Mike Tyson's Punch-Out Street Fighter series As a side note - my first American television show was Dukes of Hazzard. Followed, I think, by a re-run of Jeopardy. I was confused.

    The irony about this post? Both games mentioned have a character modeled to look like Mike Tyson. Not a great example of how either stereotype black people. In the Japanese version of Street Fighter, Mike is actually called Mike to boot.

    I hope that helped you, Liu Kang HungWeiLo.

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  12. Re:Hmm... by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In particular, if your tactic is to simply take an existing work and hack your moral onto it, the product is likely to be weak and, I would argue, even counterproductive. Take Guitar Praise [guitarpraise.com] as an example. Straight guitar hero clone, with "christian" hacked onto it. Whatever you think about christianity, that is weak. It essentially says: "My religion is too sensitive for me to play a game with music that doesn't pander to it; but it also presents no compelling alternative to secular culture, so I'm just going to play a shitty clone with the offensive stuff clipped out." C'mon, either play guitar hero or come up with something that is genuinely inspired by, and an organic product of, your faith. Slapping a decal on somebody else's cultural product just makes you look uncreative and horribly thin skinned.

    The Slashdot crowd so often claims to be so enlightened on the religion issue, and claims to have such valuable insights on religion over and over, and then accuses spiritual people of holding ignorant and biased beliefs. Well guess what, my spirituality comes under fire all the time and I have to defend it at work, to my friends and to my family.

    I really want you to examine your post. First of all, I went to the website you linked, and it IS NOT filled with Jack Chick propaganda, like you'd lead people to believe. It's almost *exactly* what I'd expect a non-christian video game website to be. Nowhere on the website did it give me any indication that they thought "My religion is too sensitive for me to play a game with music that doesn't pander to it." Secondly, it's all Christian music, so fucking what? Guitar Hero released an all Aerosmith game! Would you prefer that they put a bunch of Christian music into Guitar Hero? Third, you say they made some cheap knockoff clone, like this is somehow unique to the industry. Lets see, we're looking at Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Rock Band World Tour, and Wii Music. After DDR came out, a bunch of other dancing games came out. Sure, innovation is great, but it is rare and acting like it isn't, is just ignorant.

    Yes, it might be getting dangerously close to copyright infringement, but that isn't part of your argument. Yes, there are OTHER religious games and people that spout awful propaganda, but you picked to smear one that I think is being respectful. Smearing Guitar Praise for being Christian is as bad as religious people smearing Spore for promoting evolutionary concepts.

  13. I have found people who toss the term racist by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    around usually fall into the falling categories

    1. They need to feel the victim, never wanting to believe anything that goes wrong in their life is the fault of their choices

    2. They usually exhibit the worst stereotypes attributed to their race

    3. They are so full of hatred (both self and towards others) there is no other reaction they can have

    4. They just seek attention or favors by making public scenes knowing that it is far easier to embarrass people than prove an occurrence.

    The problem today is that the term is applied to too many instances when bigotry is the real term that needs to be applied if at all. Any slight can be perceived in any manner and the press has this tendency to blow things out of proportion because too many in the press think they are societies protectors and it is up to them to identify what is wrong.

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