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Who Protects the Internet?

strikeleader writes "TechCrunch has an article from an interview with General Kevin Chilton, US STRATCOM commander and the head of all military cyber warfare. Who protects us? 'Basically no one. At most, a number of loose confederations of computer scientists and engineers who seek to devise better protocols and practices — unincorporated groups like the Internet Engineering Task Force and the North American Network Operators Group. But the fact remains that no one really owns security online, which leads to gated communities with firewalls — a highly unreliable and wasteful way to try to assure security.'"

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  1. Internet doesn't need protection by ZDRuX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who protects us? 'Basically no one...

    And thats the way I like it. Please keep the government's greedy and controlling hands out of this.

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    1. Re:Internet doesn't need protection by xs650 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish I had mod points today, I would mod you insightful.

      It can't be protected without having control of it.

      The single best thing about the internet is that no one has full control of it. Had it been controlled by government or industry, it would be a miserable little shadow of what it is today.

    2. Re:Internet doesn't need protection by grunaura · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your actulally quite right. The internet is a collection of networks not necissarily IP based. A majority of attacks exist on the IP side. Wide area networking technology carries all traffic regaurdless of the payload. If there is an attack on the border of your internal IP network the WAN cares not. If your border is penatrated and a connection is made to create another network, again the WAN doesn't care. Can the internet be taken down? Not if you have skilled and knowledgeable Information Security officers maintaining the network you reside on.

    3. Re:Internet doesn't need protection by LoRdTAW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its like the old days of the wild west. No one really controls the land and you are free to roam and *almost* do as you please. If someone misbehaves a posse is rounded up to take care of the problem, the community helps itself. OSS is the same way.

      Hopefully no one entity or group ever takes control of our virtual land.

    4. Re:Internet doesn't need protection by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      not really that certain.
      If the internet hadn't grown up from under the radar it very well could have been treated like traditional media.
      Want to run a server? You better have a liscence just like the TV broadcasters.
      Want to connect at all? WEll first you have to authenticate with the central government servers so they know who's doing what on the network.

      Our greatest defence for years was that nobody knew enough about it to make laws on it. Now that there's real money involved of course the legislators want to make rules even if they don't have a clue what's going on- kinda like with every other situations that governments touch.

  2. Our network can b hacked, let's make a new www! by Eganicus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Military Intelligence is truly a ridiculous concept. Anyway, who's playing quake with me on NSA supercomputers tonight?

  3. Firewalled networks wasteful? by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the alternative? Globalized security, courtesy of Big Brother?

    Don't good fences make good neigbors?

    I suppose it's wasteful, in code, for module entry points to validate parameters, too. :)

    1. Re:Firewalled networks wasteful? by scatters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if the government could offer some form of protection online, I'd be a fool not to protect my own network to the best of my abilities. Using Jonathan Zittrain's logic from TFA, doors must be ineffecient and wasteful too; obviously he has never heard of the concept of defense in depth.

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  4. don't try to draw too many real world analogies... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think you want to centralize anything like that, at least not to the exclusion of everyone having local protections. Your firewall is under your control and you can make it as secure or unsecured as you want it.

    If you want the cyberspace equivalent of a national army, you're just asking to have lots of power taken away from you and given to someone else. That being said, I think there is a case for prevention of nations attacking other nations en large, or 'war by other means'.

    but carry it too far and you end up destroying the global feel of the internet - you'll end up with cyber borders as bad as our real borders - checkpoints you can't cross without 'your papers please'.

  5. CMR Taco! by mbaGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought that was Slashdot's job ;-)

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  6. Evolution, baby by Niobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea that 'someone' 'owning' 'security' would somehow provide us with more online protection I find unbelievably stupid and ignorant. If you open your eyes you'll realise we wouldn't even have the internet if it weren't for essentially random collections of like-minded people each contributing a piece of the puzzle - it's called evolutionary process, and nothing any businessman or politician has ever invented has come close to it's effectiveness.

  7. * Messed up the tag from my last post* by Sepiraph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But the fact remains that no one really owns security online, which leads to gated communities with firewalls -- a highly unreliable and wasteful way to try to assure security."

    Actually, it is far more secure that way, if one organization did somehow owned all security online, the internet as a whole would be much less security because now you have a single point of failure. Once someone exploited that vulnerability, the entire Internet as a whole would be affected. Also I get the feeling from the article that what they are really after is not necessarily security, but CONTROL of the Internet. Lastly, that man DOES NOT protect the Internet in any way, shape or form. He might be responsible for the USA military Intranet, but that's about it. Stop the fear-mongering already.

  8. Nobody owns security offline either by registrar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody owns security offline either, and nobody should. If you own something, or care about something, you protect it. Some things have additional protection from the police or the military (e.g. I have a reasonable expectation that the police will prevent me from getting beaten up in some circumstances), but in the most part "the authorities" have a fairly punitive deterrent role. But anything that needs special protection gets it: got valuables in your house? Alarm, strong doors, insurance. All privately paid-for and provided. Got valuables on your computer? Backups, firewall, antivirus. Also privately provided.

    Basically, the people who care about things know how much they're worth protecting. It isn't sensible to have military-grade security around my old Corolla, but my laptop's pretty secure because it's got a few worthwhile things. If the good General has infrastructure or secrets worth protecting, he should protect them. If it makes sense to exploit economies of scale and worth with other branches of the community, great.

    It's also not true that there's a loose confederation of people (Vixie & co) protecting the internet. There are plenty of people around who want to protect or improve their own reputation, and security is one of those ways. If the military wants contact points in the wider security community, they shouldn't be looking for an owner, but they should be working with reality: getting out there making those contacts.

    Normally I think such anarchy is stupid, but in this case it actually is common sense.

  9. Re:don't try to draw too many real world analogies by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want the cyberspace equivalent of a national army, you're just asking to have lots of power taken away from you and given to someone else.

    All those spammers building botnets, eventually, they're going to become "security companies". Nice web site you've got there, it'd be a shame if no-one could get to it. Once they start collecting taxes from a large enough group of people, they become a "legitimate" police force. After all, they don't want anyone else building a bigger botnet than theirs.

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  10. C'mon guys, read TFA to the end... by pegdhcp · · Score: 5, Informative
    I guess the whole point of article, aside from being a scarecrow, is in following part. They probably put it there, in order to hide it from /. crowd...

    When Obama appoints a white house CTO, there will at least be an official figurehead in charge of this matter. Proposed candidates for the role currently include Eric Schmidt, Steve Ballmer, Jeff Bezos and Julius Genachowski from IAC.

    Emphasis is mine, please be kind to your new -potentially- M$ loving uber-CTO and use only approved root kits, that utilized security holes those are already hot-fixed by people who put them there in the first place, from now on...

  11. if the military does not regard it as an asset... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It had to be destroyed to be saved."
    Several governments are already making progress on this game plan.

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  12. Re:OT: Your sig by sowth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had the same problem as you. Living in my parents attic, it was so hot..even in winter. One day while playing doom, I had an idea: Use the chainsaw to free the heat. It took some blood and sweat, but I got the job done. Fly Mr. Heatie, fly!

    Back on topic: With all these people trying to control the internet and the FCC auctioning off all the airwaves, I'm ready to become a freebander. Why not just create a radio networking card which uses the analog TV freqs the FCC took away. ...okay, that would be a bad idea, they'd probably just track us all down.

    Then again, maybe playing with pringles cans and "legit" wireless networking, we can interface with our neighbors. Something has to work, or am I just a kook?

  13. For whom the bell tolls... by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "Internet" has become something of a quandry. It's humble beginnings were brilliantly designed to propogate information, provide a powerful environment for collaboration, and provide an extensible virtual universe for spreading and preserving human thought, and projects of discovery. It's one weakness was that it was designed by intelligent, responsible, and compassionate people expecting that in the vein of collaboration and workability, that future users would be likewise intelligent, responsible, and compassionate.

    Much to the chagrin of humanity, a vast hoard of virtual Mongols (or equally apropos "mongrels"), have used the internet as their personal toilet, slim-jim, bludgeon, and/or weapon of mass destruction. Sadly in a free environment, you have to cope with the worst in people, to support and empower that which is best.

    The first problem is to get crystal clear about what doesn't work with the current system. Whether the available cures are(n't) worse than the disease, and how we might implement meaningful solutions without breaking, impeding, or prevent those things which are best about the internet. Security means different things to different people. Protecting people from stupidity, laziness, or the worst in their own natures might well render the broad networks by which people collaborate and invent the future, functionally unusable. Making the worst of what people do very difficult, while preserving the general freedom, and clear capacity for people to share ideas, impart mutual wisdom, and promote what Shakespeare referred to as "Our better natures", demands vision, foresight, and a profound commitment to integrity.

    The first and most essential thing we can and must do, is create an environment that promotes human enterprise, without selling off the very things than make the internet valuable to people.

  14. Re:Net Neutrality: Gov't regulation for the Intern by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope you don't support Net Neutrality, because that is the Trojan Horse for government regulation of the Internet.

    And the opposition to it is led by those companies who want to be the looters instead. However, as commonly known, the government is inefficient; so it is also inefficient in censoring the Internet. Thus, government control is preferable to corporate control, because it is less likely to be effective.

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