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Broadband Access Without the Pork?

An anonymous reader writes "Like many consumers nowadays, I find more of my time spent on the internet and various wireless devices (e.g. mobile phone). This has gotten to the point where I basically do not use a landline or cable television anymore, and they are essentially pork on my broadband bill, which further subjects the consumer to all sorts of clandestine fees that aren't disclosed until the first bill arrives and add a non-trivial sum (in my case, nearly 100%) to the monthly rate. However, it seems that all broadband access providers have this stipulation, that an internet customer must first have a basic phone or cable TV service in order to sign on for the internet service. Are there any ISPs that can get around this and still deliver broadband internet service at a competitive rate?"

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  1. Yeah, there are by GMonkeyLouie · · Score: 4, Funny

    My neighbors' wi-fi access point provides internet access for me without me having to pay for TV or landline access, like you said. I don't even have to pay for the internet, which I actually use!

    I recommend everyone switch to this kind of ISP.

    1. Re:Yeah, there are by CaptainPatent · · Score: 5, Funny

      I finally convinced everyone in my apartment to switch...

      We're getting a strange "limited or no connectivity" problem now.

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    2. Re:Yeah, there are by Snowblindeye · · Score: 4, Informative
      Comcast certainly offers Internet access without TV, I have several friends using it that way.

      AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:

      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html

      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html

      As always, Google is your friend.

    3. Re:Yeah, there are by freakasor · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem isn't that they give you a discount when you order multiple services, it's that the base 'advertised' price is the one you get when you have multiple services. They charge 'extra' when you only get one service. They say High speed internet is only $39.99/month. Then they say, oh yeah, that's only if you already have cable. Otherwise its $49.99/month. The bill shows up as: $39.99 High speed internet $10.00 Fee

    4. Re:Yeah, there are by westlake · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think the Netshare program my ISP (Speakeasy) runs is cool.

      It may be cool.

      But when traffic is being routed through my home system - when I am the "upstream provider" - there are questions I need answered:

      1 What is my legal exposure?

      I am betting I do not have protection as a common carrier.

      2 What is my financial exposure?

      Is my personal liability limited in any significant way?

      3 Who is responsible for physically maintaining the service?

      I do not want to be the one on the roof in February running coax, replacing in-line amps and antennas.

      4 If my own need for bandwidth increases, how long am I obligated to maintain the service?

  2. Speakeasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

    1. Re:Speakeasy by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

      See what I mean? The Internet is for porn!

    2. Re:Speakeasy by harrkev · · Score: 5, Funny

      in my pricing experiences, which have been many -- naked costs $10 an extra per month regardless of provider.

      Not true of waitresses in restaurants. I think that extra service costs a lot more than $10.

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  3. (Sigh) by McNally · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've long maintained that learning how to ask questions properly is a big part of getting a useful response.

    Apropos of which, positing a question that is highly location-specific in a global forum and then not specifying one's location is an excellent way to get no useful responses whatsoever.

    1. Re:(Sigh) by mac1235 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on! Cybersmart covers ALL of South Africa!

    2. Re:(Sigh) by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh come on! Télébec covers ALL the rural areas of Québec!

    3. Re:(Sigh) by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the title of the post, I think it's pretty clear that the submitter is from somewhere in the Middle East.

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  4. Try Dry loop DSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I got dry-loop DSL through AT&T. It was a pain to convince them why, but after the third time I tried what one of the articles on the consumerist recommended - going directly to retention dept - and that got everything rolling. The price is slighly more without phone for same DSL service, but overall without phone line my total bill is less than what it would have been with phone.

  5. Verizon Fios if available by prestonmichaelh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have Verizon Fios 10Mbps up / 2 Mbps down with no other services from them. They also do DSL without phone lines and the only thing you miss out on cost wise is that you start paying the "normal" price right away instead of a 6 month promo price that is then raised to the "normal" price. Of course, if you don't live in Verizon territory, this is completely meaningless.

    1. Re:Verizon Fios if available by ConstantiusChlorus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have Verizon Fios 10Mbps up / 2 Mbps down

      The folks on p2p must really love you...

  6. AT&T and DSL without local phone by Twanfox · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my area and within the past two years, AT&T has decided to begin offering DSL without local phone service. Their highest speed plan is about $10 more than if you get it with local phone service, but even still it is only $45. Two years ago when I looked at Comcast in my area, it would've been $54 at least for me to have internet service alone.

  7. dry loop by rodrigo1979 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If your area is served by AT&T, ask for a dry-loop DSL line.
    it's the same thing, just no dial-tone on the line.
    I just got the Elite (up to 6Mbps down/ 768Kbps up) for 35.00 a month.

  8. Impossible to answer by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know that both Verizon and Comcast offer no-strings-attached DSL/cable (at least in my area), although Comcast has a surcharge for TV-less internet that slightly exceeds the cost of their $15/month basic cable package, making it slightly absurd.

    However this is all a bit pointless as we have no idea where you are and therefore have no idea what ISPs you can subscribe to. Seriously, wtf? There are no global ISPs. If you're being typically US-centric (nothing really wrong with that here) there still are no national US ISPs. So the question is stupid.

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  9. Re:Charter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...right up until the promotion period ends after 6 months, and $30 a month turns into $60 a month

  10. Road Runner by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your local Cable provider is Time-Warner, you can order Road Runner by itself. I can state this authoritatively, because Road Runner is my current ISP. I pay $45/month (though this is going up to $50 next month) and no additional taxes or fees. I am not paying for cable TV because I am not buying cable TV. This has been my arrangement since 2001.

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  11. You're Welcome by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a paying broadband subscriber who intentionally leaves my AP unsecured, I say you're welcome. I'm too worried about getting a good wireless signal to borrow my neighbors connection, but as long as they aren't greedy with bandwidth I don't mind sharing my own. Sure there are risks involved and I do have to boot a MAC address every now and then for abuse, but I genuinely don't mind sharing my connection with as many neighbors as I can reach.

    The more people I can help without noticing a big hit in performance, the better. So internet service is free, in my neighborhood anyways.

    Yes, you can borrow a cup of sugar, too.

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    1. Re:You're Welcome by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yuo do know that you are Evil and causing us to lose the war on terror AND caused the economic collapse? That's what the Cable and Phone companies tell me.

      Anyone who shares internet is E V I L

      That said, Thanks! I also share it, but I have a captive portal and block all ports except 80. plus, if you dont come and tell me you're a neighbor and give me your mac address, you have to re-agree every hour. Call the phone number on the portal page, come to my door so I can say "hey!" and I'll add your mac to my blessed list.

      P.S. what's really fun. if your AP is very busy, run a linux app to sniff the traffic and display all images being loaded. It's a hoot.

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  12. bigger problem is SPEAKEASY ARE LIARS by ClioCJS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Speakeasy specifically told me in pre-sales chats that I could run my DSL line at 100% capacity 24/7, then later harassed me saying I was downloading too much, then after that said "100G per month or you're terminated", then after that terminated me. Then they threatened me with a $300 early termination fee if I didn't talk about it online (yeah right). Then it took a few months to get the money they DID owe me back.

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