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Nintendo Slapped With Wiimote Strap Lawsuit Once Again

GameCyteSean writes "GameCyte is reporting that a new class-action lawsuit has challenged Nintendo's Wiimote straps once more. Interestingly, the suit was filed by the same lawyer who led the original 2006 attempt, and now argues that Nintendo hid records of broken TVs from the Consumer Product Safety Commission. From the article: 'This doesn't seem like a spurious accusation, either. Attached to the court filing (PDF) as a matter of public record is the very evidence Nintendo allegedly tried to hide: actual, internal Nintendo documents (PDF) where customer service reps received complaints of cracked televisions and broken Wiimote straps — and the corresponding Monthly Reports that Nintendo was compelled to file with the CPSC as part of their agreement.'"

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  1. Get a life by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, if you break your TV with a remote, its your fault.

    1. Re:Get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is how I picture the origins of the lawsuit: Some guy is playing a Star Wars game. He wants to make Obi-Wan do the force throw thing with his lightsaber, knowing that Obi-Wan's saber will fly back to him. So, he figures that if you need to swing the Wiimote to swing the lightsaber, logically, you must also throw the Wiimote to throw the lightsaber, and it, like the lightsaber, will return to his hand. Unfortunately, physics rears its ugly head, and he discovers that this is not the case, and decides that Nintendo owes him a new TV.

    2. Re:Get a life by cjfs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously, if you break your TV with a remote, its your fault.

      I disagree. Clearly my inability to hold on to a remote with my greasy cheetos-covered hand is a fundamental online rights issue. Hence the tags for this story.

    3. Re:Get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps, although it would seem the average /. nerd isn't very susceptible to jokes.

    4. Re:Get a life by Metasquares · · Score: 5, Funny

      On the other hand, that whooshing noise could either be the joke or a remote.

    5. Re:Get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is how I picture the origins of the lawsuit: Some guy is playing a Star Wars game. He wants to make Obi-Wan do the force throw thing with his lightsaber, knowing that Obi-Wan's saber will fly back to him. So, he figures that if you need to swing the Wiimote to swing the lightsaber, logically, you must also throw the Wiimote to throw the lightsaber, and it, like the lightsaber, will return to his hand. Unfortunately, physics rears its ugly head, and he discovers that this is not the case, and decides that Nintendo owes him a new TV.

      That makes more sense. My first reaction was he was playing a porn game and got too excited.

      Posting AC so my wife won't hit me.

    6. Re:Get a life by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      These are not the jokes you are looking for.

    7. Re:Get a life by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Say what you will about jocks, but they probably have a better practical grasp on the behavior of bodies in real-world space, and the coordination to avoid tossing a Wiimote into a television set.

    8. Re:Get a life by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It all started when he was a little kid and he dropped his ice cream. His mommy immediately gave him another one to make him quit crying.

      -jcr

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  2. I'm dubious about this. by nhaines · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, I've dropped my Wii remote a total of once, maybe twice. And I mean I let go of it while standing idle. None of my family was confused about whether they should throw the remote, and the only ones I've had to deal with were my godchildren who liked to swing the remotes while idle, and not let go while playing.

    I don't find the remotes particularly difficult to grasp, and while I have replacement straps, I still have the originals on the remotes. As much as I feel bad for anyone who accidentally threw a remote through a window, lamp, or TV, I just have difficulty believing that somehow Nintendo is to blame for this, or that they should be liable.

    1. Re:I'm dubious about this. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just like the idea of suing McDonald's for spilling hot coffee in your own lap, it sounds silly until you look at the pattern.

      * The directions for the Wiimote encourage robust swinging of the control for various games, such as tennis, basketball, and exercise programs.
      * Kids, whose coordination is not that good and whose hands are not that strong, are encouraged to play with these things. This makes such accidents far more likely.
      * Nintendo had already received a number of complaints about the straps, but continued to sell the flimsy versions.
      * Nintendo hid the complaints in the previous lawsuit, which is a violation of the relevant 'discovery' procedures that their own lawyers should have prevented.
      * The new strap apparently also fails.

      That's more than enough for a reasonable lawsuit holding Nintendo liable for destructions that they knew were not rare, and which they apparently lied about the existence of. It's not like throwing a brick: it's like a hammer with such a slick handle, it's likely to slip from your hands.

    2. Re:I'm dubious about this. by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And just like the McDonald's coffee lawsuit, it continues to sound silly even after becoming familiar with all the facts.

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    3. Re:I'm dubious about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's INTENDED to leave my hands at a high speed in an outdoor environment.

      The Wii remote is not intended to leave your hands at any speed, it is also not intended for use in an outdoor environment.

      You might as well complain that the Wii remote can't be used as a kitchen utensil, despite the implied promise made by Cooking Mama.

      I don't think Nintendo should be held liable for people who throw their remotes, any more than they should be liable for damages caused by other misuses, like stirring cake batter.

      However, if they really have hidden evidence from the court, as they are accused of, then they should be punished for that.

    4. Re:I'm dubious about this. by stuntpope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My camera came with a strap. If I were dangling my camera by its strap, not holding the actual camera body, and the strap broke and my camera smashed to the pavement, it would never occur to me to sue the camera manufacturer. My thoughts, after the "oh shit" would be, "I shouldn't have been doing that and should have been more careful."

    5. Re:I'm dubious about this. by bi_boy · · Score: 4, Informative

      And just like the McDonald's coffee lawsuit, it continues to sound silly even after becoming familiar with all the facts.

      If you were actually familiar with the facts it would not sound silly.

      The Actual Facts About The Mcdonalds' Coffee Case

      Wiki page on case

      It should also be noted that Liebeck (the woman who received the coffee burns) initially sought $20,000 to cover her $11,000 in medical expenses and that McDonald's refused and offered her $800. And also that during discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks.

      Corporations are not defenseless little orphans being picked on by frivolous lawsuits. They are soul-sucking goliaths of wealth and power that would willfully break the law and/or harm people if the reward outweighed the projected risk. Granted in the McDonalds coffee case it looks like it was callous indifference that prevented them from reducing the holding temperature of their coffee despite the number of burn incidents over the years until coming to a head in the Liebeck case.

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    6. Re:I'm dubious about this. by Arker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what you're saying is it's perfectly reasonable to serve coffee so hot it can give you third degree burns?

      Yes, of course. Doh. How do you make coffee? You boil water! Knock knock, anyone home? Fresh coffee is too hot to drink. Learning to uncover it and let it cool slightly before you drink it, and to take care with the first few drinks in particular to notice the temperature and if necessary back off and let it cool another couple degrees isn't rocket science, it's basic common sense.

      At the time this occured I was working an early job and it was my habit to get a hot coffee at the drivethrough each day on my way to work. It came in a cup with cover and carrier and I would put it in its place, make sure it was stable, and then continue on my morning commute. By the time I got on down the road to the point where I stopped the car and then opened my coffee, it had cooled to just the perfect temperature to drink. And all was well.

      Then this idiotic woman orders hot coffee, pours it down her pants, and sits there for a minute and a half to make sure her skin is seriously damaged, and makes bank on it. As a consequence, I and everyone else in the country suddenly found that, not just the chain that got sued, but every drive-through, would no longer serve fresh hot coffee, but instead could offer only pre-cooled coffee that was drinkable immediately.

      If I had time to drink it immediately I wouldnt be in the drive-through.

      I've heard all the apologetics that get trotted out everytime this is mentioned, and it's frankly disgusting. The fact is the woman did something really dumb and hurt herself, then sued. She should have been laughed out of court. Instead, she and her lawyer got a huge payday, and each and every one of the rest of us, millions I have no doubt, who day in and day out bought the same coffee and had no problems because we used common sense, got screwed.

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  3. The way it happens by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of our friends brought her boyfriend over the other day.. he'd heard of the Wii but never played it, so we fired up WiiSports for him. While playing "Tennis" I watched in amusement as he hit his hand into the wall, then my coffee table, then he tripped over the recliner, then he nearly hit his girlfriend in the head. While playing "Bowling" he hit *himself* in the head with the remote. I *could* have told him that such large movements are unnecessary but that would have took away his fun, and I wouldn't be able to laugh at him beating himself up. Some people just have problems with the whole augmented-sense-of-self thing.

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    1. Re:The way it happens by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, but your friend's boyfriend should probably not be trusted with sharp objects, or to be alone in the pool and other things you don't like to see 1 year olds do. I don't care how manly you think you might be, if you can admit you have injured yourself playing a video game, you're not manly.

      The Wii might be showing us who should move on to procreate and who should not for the next big step in evolution of mankind.

    2. Re:The way it happens by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Funny

      One of our friends brought her boyfriend over the other day.. he'd heard of the Wii but never played it, so we fired up WiiSports for him. While playing "Tennis" I watched in amusement as he hit his hand into the wall, then my coffee table, then he tripped over the recliner, then he nearly hit his girlfriend in the head.

      Good Christ, for her sake I hope he's better in bed. Unfortunately, though, I have a feeling that's some fearsome awful sex.

    3. Re:The way it happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I put on my wizard hat...

    4. Re:The way it happens by pizzach · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those interested, you can read IGNs article on The Top 10 Games That Might Make You Inadvertently Whack Your Friends in the Nuts. It only just came out last month.

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  4. Okay... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lawsuit @ Nintendo because someone (or rather, plural someones) was (were) dumb enough to toss a remote hard enough to crack a television set!?...

    Seriously.

    WTF?

    Now, if'n y'all don't mind, I have to go sue the folks who make Red Bull now, since their cans weren't shaped in a way to prevent me from dropping it on the table and accidentally soaking my laptop while absorbing the sheer chutzpah of the ambulance-chaser's commentary in the referenced article.

    /P

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    1. Re:Okay... by deniable · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm in Australia and some of us refer to the new Wiimotes with the heavily padded 'jacket' and beefy strap as Americanized Wiimotes. Sorry to you Americans who have to live amongst these people.

    2. Re:Okay... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, to play devil's advocate, the Red Bull folks don't encourage you to stand directly in front of your TV with a can in your hands, spinning and waving your arms in a rapid and excited fashion in relation to things which are happening on the screen, occasionally flicking the can towards the TV or simulating a throw with it whilst it is tethered to your wrist by a small and, it seems, breakable strap.

      Heck, but you paid money to buy the device that let's you do these things. You have probably seen friends doing it before. The wii displays a pretty clear warning screen (not skippable iirc) before each game. You have probably encountered at least once before in your life what happens when solid things are thrown into less solid things. In fact, if you seriously consider suing nintendo over this you've probably encountered at least once before what happens when a solid thing is thrown into your less solid head...

  5. No wonder American manufacturing is screwed by freedom_india · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Companies get sued because customers misuse and abuse the product to the point of breaking their own things carelessly.
    I wonder what would have happen if Edison were to invent the lightbulb today:
    1) The Association of Candle Manufacturers(ACM) and Gas Lamps Association(GLA) would jointly conduct a sit-in strike in front of Edison's home and plants.
    2) The ACM would sue Edison for producing a product that's capable of killing someone. The OSHA conducts a raid on Edison's plant, followed by an FCC investigation.
    3) The GLA lobbies congress for relief. Congresscritters DeLay and Pelosi go on record stating that Edison's electric light will result in the loss of jobs for 37,300 people directly while affecting the lives of 1.3 Million employers indirectly.
    4) Edison approaches SCOTUS for relief. SCOTUS grants Edison relief stating that Progress cannot be stopped.
    5) Rep Vern Buchanan and Sen. Ted Stevens together sponsor a resolution calling for a $1.3 billion bailout of the Candle Makers of USA.
    5(a) The GLA sues the US Govt for excluding them from the bailout.
    5(b) Hillary Clinton includes GLA into the bailout with a silent slip-in into a spending bill.
    6) The FCC commissioner rules that Electricity is dangerous to health and that electric lamps are prone to be broken. Forces Edison to include HUGE warnings on each packet.
    7) Edison sets up DC stations and powers Congress and Senate with electric lamps to show the congress the progress that can be made. he claims it can be always "Day" for congress.
    8) Congress critters not used to working long hours, silently include a bill that forces states to individually certify that 10,000 volts of DC will not kill a man for Edison's lamps to be sold. 43 states refuse. Alaska's Palin approves Edison's lamps and charges oil companies with paying for same. Orders are sealed.
    9) The children of GLA makers hold a massive rally in Washington demanding schooling and lunch relief.
    10) Bush calls upon Congress to pass a law that outlaws Electric lamps under intense pressure from lobbyists.
    11) Obama calls Bush a roadblock to progress and exhorts congress to reject such a law.
    12) A GLA dealer in MN holds a BIG rally announcing providing free gas lamps for all who sign Edison is a public enemy.
    13) Edison is sued in Alaska by 100 residents who claim that throwing the lamp on the floor caused them injuries. The case is taken up by FOX News and O'reilly states Edison is a pinhead.
    14) Edison beats the lawsuit at tremendous cost.
    15) AIG Refuses to extend insurance cover to Edison under pressure from congress.
    16) Edison renounces US citizenship and migrates to China.

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  6. Shouldn't have to tell people to not throw things by pembo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No company should be held legally responsible for the commonsense of their customers. Nintendo really shouldn't have to tell their customers not to throw the _remote_ controller at the television. It's not like tennis players routinely go kill bystanders with their flying rackets.

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  7. Re:Wii Sports still safer than doing real sport by deniable · · Score: 4, Funny

    You should look at the death rates for hospitals. Those places are freaking dangerous.

  8. Houston, Wii Have a Problem. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always loved reading through http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/ which is a collection of articles and photos of damage (personal or to TVs/Windows/tables/lights) while playing Wii.

  9. Re:Shouldn't have to tell people to not throw thin by theillien2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd think. But then, it's morons like these folks that cause there to be stickers all over everyday objects telling us how and how not to use them.

    I'm surprised we haven't seen any court cases by people who wiped their asses so hard the paper ripped and they got shit on their hands.

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  10. Strapless by enoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if this scenario could have existed if Nintendo had decided not to include a strap on the remote in the first place.

  11. Get a grip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nintendo is being sued because people are too stupid to hold on to a chunk of plastic? These people need to get a grip.

  12. Re:Shouldn't have to tell people to not throw thin by Elrond,+Duke+of+URL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am left wondering if there would be any lawsuits if Nintendo had decided not to include the strap in the first place. Imagine a Wiimote with no strap and clear instructions that you not let go when making motions. If somebody tried to sue, Nintendo could say that the customer was duly warned and either a) let go or b) waved too forcefully.

    Instead, they included a strap just in case and see where that has got them...

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  13. Re:a warning label would have saved them money by LiENUS · · Score: 4, Informative

    And as stupid as tort law seems when someone say, throws a wiimote into a television screen and blames Nintendo, there's an easy precaution. Nintendo could have put some clear warnings along with the wiimotes, something like "be careful not to let these fly out of your hands and break the tv, window, mirrors, or your commemorative plate collection."

    You obviously don't own a Wii. Every game I've played has a goofy little screen that comes up when you start the game with a picture of a guy whacking his tv and the person behind him with the wiimote and a warning saying not to let the thing come out of your hand.

  14. Original strap strength by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I got my Wii early on, I ordered the new straps. They arrived, I dutifully installed them, and in the spirit of scientific inquiry, I set about trying to break the old strap.

    You know what? Those things are tough. I tried a bunch of different ways to snap it and failed. (I did not resort to scissors.) Anyone who's breaking that accidentally is doing something very, very wrong.

    When the padded sleeves were released I got two of those as well, dutifully put them on, and after about half an hour of gaming remembered that I was allergic to silicone. Sleeve is removed now. I wonder if I could sue Nintendo for it.

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  15. Re:Hidden Evidence by geekmux · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...However, if they really have hidden evidence from the court, as they are accused of, then they should be punished for that.

    Man, I can't wait for that testimonial...

    "Your Honor, we do apologize, as we did try to hide evidence. We assumed the Wii was so easy to use, anyone could do it. Apparently, we we're wrong. Here is a list of those far too stupid to hold onto a plastic gaming device. Here is an example of the new version of the Wiimote. As you can see, it has the distinct shape of a beer bottle, which our research has shown..."

  16. Faux Fox News For Geeks by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative
    And just like the McDonald's coffee lawsuit, it continues to sound silly even after becoming familiar with all the facts.

    The McDonald's lawsuit - as the a Geek tells the story - has all the elements of an urban legend. "Don't bother me with the facts, son. I'm on a roll here." You sell coffee in a cheap foam take-out cup at a temperature that can put someone in the hospital for weeks or months if it spills. There had been incidents before and you know the danger. That is why McD's lost the case.

  17. CLearly you are unfamiliar with the case by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are serving coffee that hot, you are a poor host.

    You don't serve coffee at 198 degrees. That's not 'Hot' that's dangerously hot.

    She did not get 'millions', she got an undisclosed amount under 500K. Probably well under 500K. She want to sue for hospital expenses. The Jury awarded 7 million, but like all lawsuits, it was appeal several times.

    you think 180 degrees is drinkable immediatly? Either you haven't thought about this at all, or you have a callus for a tongue.

    FYI You can ask for hotter coffee in most places.

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