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Microsoft's Thumbtack, an Answer To Google Notebook

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft's Live Labs have introduced a new service that lets users collect snippets of information from Web sites and share the collections with others. It's similar in concept to Mozilla's Joey, a defunct project that let people copy and paste portions of Web pages onto a single page that they could access from their mobile phones or another computer. Thumbtack is also like other available services, including Google Notebook. But Thumbtack developers think their service has a difference. 'Thumbtack stands apart in its ability to introspect on incoming data in order to automatically classify it and extract structure from it using machine learning,' according to the FAQ about the service."

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  1. I think an important question here is... by woot+account · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anybody really use services like this? I'm only vaguely aware of the Google Notebook feature by virtue of accidentally clicking on it from time to time.

    So, if you use it... how/why?

    1. Re:I think an important question here is... by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Informative

      When I have something interesting to paste or write down, and am too lazy to start up my text editor, I use Google Notebook.

      The disadvantage of the text editor is that I can only rarely remember what I named a file if I was in a hurry. The notebook lets me search and even preserve markup and images. Basically, Google Notebook is the text editor for the Lazy.

    2. Re:I think an important question here is... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > When I have something interesting to paste or write down, and am too lazy to start up my text editor, I use Google Notebook.

      Let's see: (C-M-c is xterm, thanks to xbindkeys)

      C-M-c v i C-j i S-ins ESC : w q
      1     2 3 4   5 6     7   8 9 A

      C-t n o t e b o o k . g o o g l e . c o m
      1   2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A FAIL

      Do the math ;)

    3. Re:I think an important question here is... by Elektroschock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But why would you want to get the same tool from Microsoft?

    4. Re:I think an important question here is... by peater · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Google Notebook icon sits in your Firefox status bar. You can select text on any page (including images) and click a button and it's saved to your google notebook along with a reference URL. You don't need to go to notebook.google.com every time.

  2. Fire up the copiers Redmond! by Aranykai · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously. Whats next? Windows 7 will feature a task bar at the top of the screen with a magnifying shortcut bar at the bottom of the screen?

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    1. Re:Fire up the copiers Redmond! by fluch · · Score: 5, Funny

      And someone in Redmond reads this post and thinks: "Hmmm....!"

    2. Re:Fire up the copiers Redmond! by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right Microsoft invented everything which is why GUIs never existed before Microsoft.

      If you think I even implied MS invented the 'taskbar' concept, you are either a fool or your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

      My example was about a feature MS 'effectively' already provided, yet the browser 'fanbois' pushed for the tabs to be placed inside the browser like all the other neato 'browsers' were doing.

      This was to illustrate that MS is often forced to copy crap because fools decide they want crap. PERIOD.

      The brower 'tabs' is an example of regression to MDI interfaces that MS and most other modern GUI companies have gotten away from because the OS should manage document to document and view to view, not the application. Windows already let you hotkey between them, Windows already provided previes of the 'pages/tabs' open, etc. There was no need for this to be recreated at the application level.

      I guess the whole UI regression was lost on people that still think putting tabs 'in' the freaking browser instead of on the taskbar actually makes things easier.

      Here is how it works in the real world - users learn how to click the taskbar and alt-tab and all their little tricks on whatever OS they are using. Now with tabs in the browser they are back to MDI concepts of the early 90s where they have to learn Ctrl-Tab to flip tabs and other 'new' keystrokes, and for that they get more wasted screen space for the same crap.

      If anyone is 'paying' attention to Windows7, one of the features of the new taskbar is to burrow into IE so that even if you have multiple tabs open, they show on the Taskbar, just like they use to going back to Win95 and the original IE. They literally have to code to pull the 'tab' images out of freaking IE just to get the same functionality back.

      MS didn't invent anything, but what they were doing was more on track than the insane tab 'logic' that geeks forced on users and shoved MS to add to IE, as even they were getting knocked down in reviews for 'not' having this feature, when it WAS NOT NEEDED - all this, even though it is a flawed UI concept and cumbersome at best.

      With crap like this and the 'new' 3D desktop patent from Apple it is enough to scare the hell of people like myself that actually work with the psychology impact of UI design. With regard to Apple's 'silly' 3D Desktop patent, there is a reason the same project never got out of MS Research back in 1999, it offers few features and a lot of complexity for the user. However, Apple will probably shove it down their users throats and they will click ten more times for the same thing to happen and love it.

      Before the OSS and Apple 'UI Innovations' are done, everyone will be using MS Bob or an MDI in an MDI for everything. Heck, crank out an old copy of MS Works, it will be a revolutionary idea again.

      Geesh...

  3. IE Addon vs. Firefox Extension by skaet · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA:

    Thumbtack works in Internet Explorer and Firefox, but it lacks some features when used in Firefox, Microsoft said.

    So the Firefox extension lacks the "Share" or "Publish" ability, right?

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  4. Awww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, how cute! Clippy's got a cousin.

    Thumbtack stands apart in its ability to introspect on incoming data in order to automatically classify it and extract structure from it using machine learning.

    I bet Thumby's classification of information works just as well as Clippy's classification of my current action.

  5. Copy and paste websites? by ustolemyname · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wholesale copying, pasting, and sharing of websites?

    I thought Microsoft was against the "theft" (infringement) of Intellectual "Property" (assets).

    1. Re:Copy and paste websites? by WTF+Chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only when they can't harvest info to make a buck with.

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  6. Thumbtack? by unkaggregate · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does that mean their product is a pain in the ass?

  7. Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by nysus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA: "Thumbtack works in Internet Explorer and Firefox, but it lacks some features when used in Firefox, Microsoft said."

    Microsoft just doesn't get it. If you can't get your service to work with all major browsers, your service is going to be seen as inferior, not the browser.

    And apparently, Microsoft thinks people like being forced to use their software. Well, guess what? They don't. They resent it. It's not 1999 anymore. People now understand AOL is not synonymous with the Internet and Microsoft is not synonymous with software.

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    1. Re:Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FTA: "Thumbtack works in Internet Explorer and Firefox, but it lacks some features when used in Firefox, Microsoft said."

      This makes no sense. The code is already there to make it work on firefox. There are probably five or more extensions that do this kind of thing on Firefox, and some are already superior to Google notebooks. They should just use that code (at least for the client-side), and stop trying to reinvent the wheel

      And for some that might say that the license might be a problem, think again, most extensions on firefox are not encumbered by restrictive open source licenses, and like I said, there are plenty to chose from, so it's very likely that Microsoft finds one that's just right for them.

    2. Re:Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by darrylo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree.

      Google Notebook is also the wrong target. While it's useful, I think it's something of a niche feature these days, as other online services seem to be passing it by. Even Google buries it in the "even more" submenu.

      If Microsoft really wanted to get noticed, they should have taken the organizational and editing features of OneNote, and combined them with the distributed synchronization and text/image/online/offline searching of Evernote. That would have been a killer product.

      I used to be a Google Notebook user, but I'm now a 100% Evernote fan. I took everything that I had in GN, and dumped them into Evernote, which is something like a personal google. Nowadays, I don't use tags. I let the note text and web snippets be the defacto tags, and just do text searches. I even moved all of my del.icio.us bookmarks into Evernote. (Sharing/collaboration can be an issue, as notebooks are either 100% private or 100% public -- you can't just share to a few people.) Evernote also works on PCs, Macs, web browsers, and the iPhone.

    3. Re:Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by dword · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was a misunderstanding.

    4. Re:Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Webmasters have no obligations to cater to a particular browser.

      If this was said about Firefox, I'd be able to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from a million miles away. Won't fly.

    5. Re:Microsoft will Remain Second Rate Player on Web by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft just doesn't get it. If you can't get your service to work with all major browsers, your service is going to be seen as inferior, not the browser.

      Tell that to Google. Google Maps has had this bug in Google Maps for YEARS now that causes printing in Firefox to be broken (because Firefox actually does things correctly), yet to look OK in IE6 and IE7. Do people think Google Maps is inferior? Hell, it doesn't work AT ALL in Opera.

  8. Clippy? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even the thought of office stationery in relation to Microsoft brings back those horrible nightmares...

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  9. Coming soon... by arotenbe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft Thumbscrew! The product guaranteed to make you scream in agony! Now with even more boneheaded user interface design decisions! Order now, and we'll somehow work in DRM and the Internet Explorer rendering engine, too!

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  10. Re:OF the things you COULD have replied to... by AnalPerfume · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft have woken up to the threat of Google, and the fact that Google have caught Microsoft with their pants down on several new revenue models. They assume "if Google are doing it, then we need to". Every competing service they do, to try and take share away from Google fails. They want to buy Yahoo (or parts of it) to buy that marketshare where they failed to get it with their own services. They seem oblivious to the fact that their products and services have to be forced on people, that most people don't choose the Microsoft service when they do have a choice.

  11. Re:All those long words by WTF+Chuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Funny, I thought all those long words meant, "We are searching your notes so that we know what advertisements to cram down your throat."

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  12. Re:Saline Scrotum Swelling, a Slashdot Solution by iammani · · Score: 2, Interesting

    May be someone should try to steganalyse these trolls. I cannot believe, there is a guy typing so much content, which is of no use for anyone reading it or himself.

  13. Is Google Notebook being discontinued? by exhilaration · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wanted to know what Google Notebook was so I went to the Wikipedia entry. It says, "Google Notebook was announced on May 10, 2006 and made available May 15, 2006. As of late 2008 however the service is a candidate for being terminated due to lack of demand[1]."

    The citation is missing. Can someone verify that this is true? Why is Microsoft competing against a project that Google is dropping?

    P.s. Can someone who knows more about this topic fix the Wikipedia page? Thanks!

  14. Don't NEED to remember the name.... by macraig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you heard of Google, I presume? You know what its primary service does, right? Did you also know that you can apply that index-and-search paradigm to locally stored content on a single personal computer? No fewer than two (actually many more) products have actually done it:

    Microsoft: Windows Indexing Service and Windows Desktop Search
    Google: Google Desktop Search

    With these devices, when properly installed and used, you don't need to remember the name of a file: all you need to recall is some relevant fact about the file, whether it's a snippet of the file name or something from within its (textual) content.

    Believe it or not, Microsoft's product is actually far more effective at this task, once all the available third-party "IFilters" are installed on top of it. On my system, WDS recognizes and indexes text and hints from about three times more files than GDS, which amounts to literally hundreds of thousands more files.

    In this case, at least, it's Google Desktop Search that performs more poorly at the primary task. Google wasted too much effort on the froofy "widgets" and other unnecessary crap, and apparently failed to open up the spec so that interested parties could create the equivalents of IFilters for it.

  15. Re:Saline Scrotum Swelling, a Slashdot Solution by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is how Al-Qaeda communicates. There, I typed Al-Qaeda so this will be thoroughly analyzed by some sort of government agency.