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Nobel Jurors Facing Bribery Probe

RockDoctor writes "A report is circulating that in the run-up to the selection of prize-winners for 2006 and 2008, some members of the Nobel jury accepted an expenses-paid trip (or trips) to China to 'explain the selection process.' That's not, in itself, an incriminating event ('Is there something that we're doing incorrectly, or not doing?' is a valid question), and if there was dishonorable intent, it doesn't seem to have worked too well (the last Chinese Nobel Laureate was in 1957). There does seem to be embarrassment about falling into an obvious conflict-of-interest mantrap." PhysOrg mentions that a corruption prosecutor is also looking into a Nobel-related sponsorship from a pharmaceutical company that was linked to one of the winners for this year's Medicine prize.

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  1. Nothing new by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Almost from the first prize awarded, there have been controversies. This latest round is nothing new, but perhaps remarkable only for its apparent blatentness.

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    1. Re:Nothing new by vuo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. It has always been a public secret that getting a Nobel prize is all about the connections, knowing the right people. You can't get enough publicity to your work otherwise, and without that, no chance.

  2. 3..2..1..Que by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Al Gore jokes and conspiracy theories.

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  3. I get a story idea by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about a movie about that? Oh, and I already have the idea for the sequel. A movie about the movie about the hollywood conspiracy and how the movie didn't get a single Oscar nomination despite great reviews.

    All rights reversed.

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  4. Bah! Humbug. by redelm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Modern "Portfolio" Theory has received at least three Nobels. Yet MPT has lead directly and predictably (no fat tails) to the financial crisis.

    I'm very unimpressed and becoming highly cynical on what passes for "accepted science." There seems to be a strengthening political element. Quite obvious in the case of Global Warming.

    1. Re:Bah! Humbug. by teg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Modern "Portfolio" Theory has received at least three Nobels. Yet MPT has lead directly and predictably (no fat tails) to the financial crisis.

      There is no "Nobel Prize" in economics. You've only got "The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel". As for the peace price, it has had its scope extended a bit - e.g. Al Gore. There's no doubt that setting focus on the problem of increased global warming caused by humans is important, and that this eventually will cause a many conflicts, wars and turmoils (scarcity of water, some countries being submerged etc...). But it's extremely proactive, and he didn't solve the problem - he just helped drawing people's attention to it.

    2. Re:Bah! Humbug. by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please note that economics is not a real Nobel Prize- it's an award that the bank which runs the Nobel fund decided to start giving out, and named it similarly. Probably due to fragile egos about not being real scientists.

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    3. Re:Bah! Humbug. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A hint: the place where you went wrong is the bit where you started thinking about Economics as a "science".

      Things will start making a great deal more sense when you chuck it back into the "philosophy with practitioners who like to throw math around because it makes them feel rigorous" category.

    4. Re:Bah! Humbug. by Sapphon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably due to fragile egos about not being real scientists.

      Yeah, because "Peace" and "Literature" are both much more scientific than Economics. It also doesn't seem to bother the judges from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, who choose the winners in the fields of Chemistry, Physics, and.. err.. Economics. How about that.

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    5. Re:Bah! Humbug. by bagsc · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not scientists? Listen buddy - Go outside and ask a random person if they'd rather observe a Higgs boson or a million dollars in their bank account. And remember that to economists, a million dollars is never a significant figure.

      Physicists have a good year when they can get a thousand observations of the value of c. Economists have a bad year if they only get a quadrillion observations of the value of a dollar.

      If physicists want to run an experiment, they just have to manipulate a few particles. If economists want to run an experiment, we have to manipulate Congress.

      If physicists make a mistake in an experiment, maybe a few thousand people die in a lab explosion. If economists make a mistake in an experiment, maybe a few hundred million people die in an economic implosion.

      If a physicist makes an important discovery, he can create a billion dollar industry. If an economist makes an important discovery, he can create a trillion dollar industry.

      That being said, you are right about the fragile egos :)

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  5. What about Krugman? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did somebody buy his award, or was the committee having a joke like when they gave awards to Kissinger and Arafat?

    -jcr

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  6. Nothing to see here... move along. by Emmet+Caulfield · · Score: 2, Informative

    Meh... the Swedes will launch a corruption investigation if a kid gets a penny toffee without paying for it.

    And it's no secret that the selection committees have made mistakes in the past (the icepick lobotomy, anyone?) that only become clear with the benefit of hindsight.

    In either case, never ascribe to corruption what can be adequately explained by incompetence.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here... move along. by Husgaard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, corruption in Sweden is low, and the tolerance for corruption is low, so it is not unusual for an investigation to be opened if there is just a slight chance there could be corruption.

      This started with critical journalism at Sveriges Radio (in swedish). Because of the articles, the public prosecutor is now investigating.

      Some of the articles are about the etical problems with Honeywell sponsoring. This is not illegal, and I do not think this is being investigated.

      The trips to China are being investigated, but I think this will end with the travelers being freed of all accusations.

      More problematic is the role of Astra Zeneca. They are also sponsors. And Bo Angelin, who is in the committee that awarded the price in medicine to Harald zur Hausen is also on the board of Astra Zeneca. Harald zur Hausen got the price for research that has been patented by Astra Zeneca.

  7. NOBEL PROMOTES SCIENCE NOT PEOPLE by bussdriver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NOBEL PROMOTES SCIENCE NOT PEOPLE!
    AWARDS ARE SYMBOLIC PROMOTIONS of industries, careers, and/or ideals.

    NOBEL is more important now more than ever; corrupt or not, we live in an age that idolizes karaoke singers, sports people, actors, and war heroes. Science types complain that we need science to be "cool" and well, this is about all we get.

    If you want a wider reaching better award you should look at the "Alternative Nobel" http://www.rightlivelihood.org./ This award promotes the important yet unrecognized causes without restriction to a few sciences; which arguably are the least important factor to bringing peace to mankind (ex: "The Apple Orange Award".)

    I wonder if children ever learn the purpose of scholastic achievement awards? It seems the same psychology works on adults. Different package, same trick. If that doesn't blow your mind, start applying the aspects of this to academia, political offices, or cultural rituals like marriage.

    Doesn't matter if some baseball cheater gets in the hall of fame; outside the fanatics, nobody will remember or care except for the few stand outs on the long list of award winners. The symbolic meaning will be maintained and carried on by continually hyping up the new award winners. Sure, too many bad winners hurt the symbol but it takes a lot and people forget quickly...

    Parent misses the all the points including his ad-hom attack on Jimmy Carter.

  8. So wrong by WiiVault · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jimmy Carter does not hate Israel. Instead he is simply trying to understand the root of the problem by talking to BOTH sides. Its a really novel concept for most people who seem so involved in what is really a mutual fuck-up. If the world had more people like that this conflict would have been solved years ago. Instead the world is full of people who think like you do- that one side is morally better.

  9. Re:It's all about the money by ElectricRook · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nobel Jury awarded a peace prize to Fidel Castro. A peace prize for Fidel Castro is like a humanitarian award for Adolf Hitler. Fidel is a Marxist, and the stated goal of Marxists is using violent means to install world-wide Communism. Fidel Castro used military force to keep Cubans prisoner in Cuba, attempting to flee Cuba is punishable by death... how is that different from slavery?

    Jimmy Carter was a clown... Not that he intended to be, he set out with good intentions. His fault was that he focused on being a man of peace, bad people used this as leverage against him. Instead of crying to the UN, he should have offered Iran total destruction. The Persian people were supremely embarrassed by the Ayatollah and would have over-thrown him upon an American invasion.

    I think in the near future, we are going to see the beginning of Iranian sponsored nuclear catastrophes, and we can follow the trail back to the weakness of "a man of peace".

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  10. Re:It's all about the money by Super_Z · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nobel Jury awarded a peace prize to Fidel Castro. A peace prize for Fidel Castro is like a humanitarian award for Adolf Hitler. Fidel is a Marxist, and the stated goal of Marxists is using violent means to install world-wide Communism. Fidel Castro used military force to keep Cubans prisoner in Cuba, attempting to flee Cuba is punishable by death... how is that different from slavery?

    Fidel Castro has never received a Nobel peace price.
    Cuba placed a moratorium on the use of capital punishment in 2001. The rest of your post is just ridicululous.

  11. Re:It's all about the money by Chemicalscum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "A couple of years ago they picked some writer in England because he was a leftist."

    I take it that you are referring to Harold Pinter who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005 the last male British writer to win this prize. This comment just shows how little you know about English literature. Pinter is indisputably the greatest living British playwright and in the view of many including myself, who has been seeing his plays since I was a child, the greatest living playwright in the English language. This indeed does qualify him as a leading contender for the prize which he so deservingly won.

    The political controversy over the prize arose because while hospitalized by a serious infection he videotaped his Nobel Prize acceptance lecture "Art, Truth & Politics" from a wheelchair. It was a scathing attack on US war of aggression against Iraq. Any suggestion that the award was made for political reasons is both erroneous and unwarranted. The criticisms of Pinter were that he used his award as a vehicle to put forward his political views. But this comes from those whose job it is to viciously denounce anyone who condemns US foreign policy so in fact it is a compliment. What is a public intellectual for but to criticise the wrongdoings of those in power.