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Man Invents Alternative To Cooking Gas
An anonymous reader writes "Gazan resident Abed Ar-Rahman has revealed what he is claiming as an alternative to cooking gas that he developed since Israel has prevented deliveries of cooking gas to Gaza. He invented a device using chemical substances available in Gaza, which burn when mixed and brought into contact with oxygen. The first component is a metal filter that controls the interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances."
This would be neat if true -- a garbage disposal sized obvject providing 40 days of cooking gas for 40 NIS, but just reading alerts every single "perpetual motion" bullshit detector in my head -- the 40% figure, the secret ingredients, etc.
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
If the palestinians weren't being oppressed brutally with Nazi-like tactics, this article would not exist. Israel commits human rights crimes on a daily basis that get covered up by a zionist-friendly media.
Hmmm... I am 100% certain that deliveries by sea are restricted by Isreal also. Come to think if it, I am 100% certain Isreal security forces can even prevent fishermen from going out.
I am sure that some shipments are allowed into Gaza, but I am also sure that the difficulty of doing so (both in and out, they have to sell stuff to buy stuff you know) is causing shortages.
LOL, how exactly do you expect them to burn limestone without a heat source?
You know, cause that's like the problem they are trying to solve... Finding a heat source and all.
Or a Quassam-rocket. One of those just killed two sisters aged 12 and 5.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
When 84% of Palestinians polled support the cold-blooded murder of unarmed Jewish students, you'll have to excuse me if I don't get much comfort from the fact that not all of them are launching rockets.
As for the rest of your comment, you should certainly be modded "flamebait", which means I probably should be taking the time to respond to you.
Then again, you should probably be modded "funny", since I always get a kick out of morons who run around yelling:
"LOLz U wahtc FOX NOOZ, STFU STOOPID N00B!!!11!".
It seems to be a good rule of thumb that the more loudly someone proclaims their disdain for FOX, the more likely they are to be a complete imbecile.
Ok it's in poor taste admittedly but speaking as a jew even I found that hilarious.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
The current legitimately elected government of the Palestinian people have certain clues to their motives in their charter:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." (article 32)
"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!" (article 7)
The palestinians have made their motives towards the jews, all jews, absolutely clear ever since they got the hell out of dodge so that the muslim nations nearby (read: just about everything else over there) could push the jews into the sea.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
"Them". Say "some of 'them'", and you are on to something. Or do you maintain that each and every resident of Gaza all hate Israelis with all their breath? This article puts the lie to that notion, this one guy made a stove instead of a rocket.
And Israel has a blockade where aluminum and cooking gas ( from the article ) are not allowed in or in low supply. This punishes the "live and let live" types far more than the violent militant ones, *and* gives backing to any "the Israelis hate you, see what they are doing to you?" kind of rhetoric. ( Yes, that blockade is in reaction to violence from Arabs against Israelis, but A: this will lead to hatred, not a limitation to violence and B: the violence is in reaction ( as they see it ) to the occupation of their lands ).
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Yes, and America stole California from Mexico. History will not aid us in this question. The only way out is through dialog between parties who are committed to peace and freedom for all. Until that dialog begins, I think the "terrorism"/"oppression" (killing of innocents on both "sides") will continue.
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You might have a point if the United States military controlled Mexican airspace, seaspace, all borders, and prohibited the import of metals and oil into Mexico. And in that hypothetical situation, some small number of Mexicans chose to fire rockets into Texas. Does that make collective punishment right? And to switch the players around - if Texas were under the military control of Mexico, and its ports blockaded, and some Americans fired rockets across the border, would it be still right for the Mexicans to punish all Texans?
So, every single individual in a nation is responsible for the actions of all other individuals? The Germans said the same thing in WWII occupied France - if a resistance cell killed German soldiers, the soldiers would round up all of the people from the nearest village and execute some (or all) of them.
Why was collective punishment wrong when carried out by Germans 60-odd years ago, but right when carried out by Israelis now?
I'm surprised that on Slashdot of all places, with its Libertarian-leaning politics, I'm having to actually argue that treating half-a-million people as one homogenous group is a bad idea.
From my limited view:
If a Greenman attacked a Purpleman because he is a Purpleman. That's Racism, and other criminal acts. Yes?
If a Greenman kills a Purpleman because he is a Purpleman but with no intent to destroy all Purplemen. That's Racism and Murder. Yes?
If a Greenman kills, or plans to kills, many Purplemen because he is a Purpleman. That's Racism and mass murder, or the plotting there of. Yes?
If a Greenman kills or plans to kill every/most Purplemen in a region or the world. That's Geneocide, or the plotting there of. Yes?
So...
If Greenmen attacked Purplemen because the Greenmen were angry because of the situation that the [Purplemen and Greenmen forefathers] put them in and cannot make peace with themselves, thier forefathers, and thier neighbors(Purplemen) then when/if the Purplemen retaliate against the Greenmen attack(s) and possibly 'innocent' Greenmen (hurt/killed) that were anywhere near the Greenmen that probably attacked the Purplemen is that Genocide? No. It means they are fighting and there was possibly 'innocent' Greenmen were hurt/killed.
If in that situation for every four Greenman and there is one Purpleman that is killed in the [Greenman attack and the corrosponding Purpleman retaliation] isn't Peace, even a bitter one, better? Unless the Greenmen are planning to continue no matter the cost, and/or genocide of the Purplemen is really the intent.
But lo!, then the Bluemen come along and say "That is not a fair fight!! The Greenmen used rocks, and sticks, but the Purplemen used swords and wore armor!" So what?
Stop picking fights with the big kid in the schoolyard if he's happy to leave well enough alone, and eyes won't be blackened and noses won't be bloody. Sure, get lucky in the fight once in a while but "WHY?!", especially if the the little kid in the playground is trying to make the big kid get the little kid's kitten out of the tree that the little boy's grand-father scared into the tree in the first place, and then get the big kid to chop down the tree for the little boy so that his kitten can never get stuck in the tree again?
The Greenmen don't have to forgive, they don't have to forget - do the best with the cards they are delt! Perhaps diverting the energies of War to the energies of Peace, Education, and infrastructure would give a better chance at change? Yes? Maybe?
Perhaps the Greenmen know education and infrastructure is EXPENSIVE to make work. It's EXPENSIVE to make a good life starting from scratch; but it has to start some where. But sadly, it's cheaper to go to blame others, and make War with the Purplemen and hope that something magical would happen when it's all over that it'll be better for the Greenmen. In the end, nothing changes.
*sigh*
It really doesn't matter even because everyone has to switch colors for the next fight and start the process over...
1. Greenmen fight Purplemen!
2. Purplemen fight Greenmen!
3. * magic happens!(or doesn't...) *
4. Greymen profit!
5. Goto 1
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Or a Quassam-rocket. One of those just killed two sisters aged 12 and 5.
And you might notice those girls were Palestinians. It's sort of sad, because when I saw that article, my first thought was "ha ha, you dumbass terrorists screwed up and killed your own." Then right after it I felt guilty because no child's death should be a source of laughter. I'm just so sick and damn tired of these asswipe terrorists. When they kill their own by accident, it's hard not to gloat.
Start a happiness pandemic
Polls are all about timing and "location location location". I could use selective polling to find that 84% of Americans polled believe we should nuke France.
It seems the better rule of thumb is that the more loudly someone proclaims their disdain for a group of people, the more likely they are to be complete imbeciles.
And the US had absolutely no reason to bomb innocent civilians in Germany in WWII?
The Palestians are essentially being imprisoned in a concentration camp and treated like subhumans by the Israelis, which from the Palestians' POV makes them no better than the Nazis. They are desperate - TFA gives a glimpse into their plight, being denied even basic needs like cooking oil! - and no humans should be treated they way the Israelis are treating them. Unbelievable.
You really need to step aside and imagine how you'd feel if you were in their shoes.
BTW is it OK for the Israelis to kill innocent Palestian citizens? Or is that somehow "different"?
Other than the Palestinians were in fact living there and the way political events turned out where in fact removed by force.
I didn't say it was a particularly Good argument or correct. I did say that their side did have some valid reasoning.
Apologize for what?
For not agreeing with you that your opinion is correct?
There were in fact Palestinian people who lived on that land who were in fact moved by force away from that land unjustly. Now I am not saying that the formation of the new nation of Israel on the whole was unjust I am merely saying that parts of it were.
The fact that a mention of the mere possibility that it might be gets a call for an apology highlights the presence of injustice and a lack of tolerance for other views.
Israel as a nation has done much good in the world. It has also done much wrong. The same can be said about nearly any nation in the world today.
That's the point. Had I linked to any Israeli victim of terrorism, some dumbass would've come out from somewhere to debate, that it is all Israel's own fault, that they shouldn't have built the country in "somebody else's desert", or that they should've just died in the face of opposition, etc. This way, there is no such distraction.
Or, at least, it is much harder to make — blaming the deaths of Palestinian girls from a Palestinian-fired rocket on Zionist Entity is, of course, possible — had it not been for the occupation, there would've been no need for rockets, so there — but stretches credulity beyond most people's BS-meters. I'm sure, this explanation is being offered inside Gaza and, maybe, West Bank, but it would not work elsewhere. Or so one hopes...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
When 84% of Palestinians polled [nytimes.com] support the cold-blooded murder of unarmed Jewish students,
While I don't defend this opinion or behavior, I wonder what a comparable survey of Israelis would reveal.
From my vantage point, there seems to be a lot of hotheadedness and vitriol all around the region. I don't think there are a lot of clean hands to be found.
I was taught to respect my elders. The trouble is, it's getting harder and harder to find some.
Let me say this first so people don't get the wrong message: Firing rockets into civilian populations is wrong and should not be done. Attempting to kill your neighbor is a bad thing and those responsible should be punished.
To me the US sentiment is that you take my land over my dead body and I'll fight you tooth and nail if you take my things away from me. That's what's happened to those in Gaza - the Israelis have taken away their land by force and they're fighting back. How many of you would just lay down your guns and say "Oh well, I guess it's theirs now" when your home gets taken away?
I can never approve of the methods used, attacking civilians is never right, but there are two sides to every conflict so try to open your eyes to the fact that just because they're jewish doesn't mean they're innocent. Truly drop the racist attitude and allow yourself to see the wrongs committed by BOTH sides in this. Israel is committing horrendous acts against those in Gaza, forcing them out of their homes, making land-grabs into their territory and laying siege to masses of innocent people. If someone throws a rock from a crowd the correct response does not involve throwing a hand grenade back into the crowd.
Where in the world is Osama bin Laden features an interview with one of the Hamas leaders - he is very clear in saying that they don't resist the Jews - they resist the state of Israel. When asked for clarification, he says that this is not a religious war between the Jews and the Muslims, this is a nationalist war between the people of Israel and the people of Palestine.
So, whilst clearly there are some people within Hamas who agree with that particular quote from the Charter, there are also people, even within the upper management, who strongly disagree with it.
"The reality is that dispossession of poor Palestinians dates back to the first time Ottoman deeds were sold in the early 20th century, the mass dispossession of Palestinians dates back to 1947, and the occupation of very large Palestinian population centers dates back to 1967."
Yes, but long before this it was Jewish land, so it's not as simple as you make out, and simply taking the problem from a certain point in time to suggest the land is by default Palestinian is both ignorant and wrong and suggests you simply have a pro-Palestinian agenda rather than that you're making an un-biased comment on the situation. Furthermore, you have to look at why Palestinian land was occupied in 1967, it was because the very state of Israel was put under threat of outright destruction. Israel in 1979 gave Egypt back the land it occupied since that war, this coincides with Egypt itself becoming a modern, sensible nation with a desire for peace over destruction. It is no coincidence that the territories Israel occupies today are territories owned by those who still to this day want to destroy Israel and have done ever since they first launched a war which led to Israel taking much of these territories in the first place. Should Syria too become a nation that wants peace, rather than the destruction of Israel there is no doubt Israel will then hand back the Golan heights for example but it's hard to look down on it for using capture enemy territory as a buffer against an enemy that wants it destroyed- particularly when the lack of a buffer with Lebanon allowed to Hezbollah to kidnap Israeli soldiers without provocation triggering the 2006 war with Lebanon.
If it's a case of who was there first, then the Jews are hands down entitled to the land, however I do not believe it's a case of who was there first, it's a case of both parties having strong ties to the land and hence there is a need for a solution that is good for both parties- this ultimately involves both parties accepting compromise, something which neither are willing to do. Israel has shown much more willingness to compromise than Hamas in recent years, Israel has returned some occupied land for example and yet Hamas has done nothing but continue with it's violent ways. It's not even simply a case of Israel vs. Palestine because even Fatah has shown similar levels of willingness to reach compromise in recent years, it is Hamas that hasn't. The problem is not the Palestinians as a whole, nor is it the Israelis as a whole, it is Hamas, period. Too many people make the mistake of supporting Hamas and the Palestinian cause as going hand in hand, anyone truly wanting to support the Palestinian cause should shun accept Hamas for what it is- the biggest problem in the region, and show their support for the improved relations between Fatah and Israel and the potential this has in finally moving towards a solution where both sides equally show fair compromise.
The Palestinians really aren't all victims here, only those that don't support Hamas but support the Palestinian cause through diplomacy and accept the need for compromise. The others that do support Hamas are actually the ones who deserve majority blame.
People aren't blind to the suffering, but they're also not blind to the fact that there are people in Israel who have to spend every minute of every day ready to run into bomb shelters to avoid yet more rocket and mortar attacks.
I do agree that Israel's counter-attacks may often be over the top but I'm not particularly sure what the alternative is against Hamas, certainly Hamas has made it clear whatever the Israelis do they intend to seek their destruction.
I can't help but think however the Jews of all people, many of whom in Israel are descendants of the World War II atrocities against their people should know better than to act the way they do to Hamas held areas. Similarly however, when these people have in some cases already faced the possible destruction of their people in their lifetime or parents lifetime by the nazis it is no surp