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More Climate Scientists Now Support Geoengineering
ofcourseyouare writes "The Independent is a UK newspaper which has been pushing hard for cuts in CO2 emissions for years. It recently polled a group of 'the world's leading climate scientists,' revealing a 'growing support for geoengineering' in addition to cutting CO2 — not as a substitute. For example, Jim Lovelock, author of The Gaia Theory, comments: 'I disagree that geoengineering the climate is a dangerous distraction and I disagree that on no account should it ever be considered. I strongly agree that we now need a "plan B" where a geoengineering strategy is drawn up in parallel with other measures to curb CO2 emissions.' Professor Kerry Emanuel of MIT said, 'While a geoengineering solution is bound to be less than desirable, the probability of getting global agreement on emissions reductions before it is too late is very small.'"
Why shouldn't geoengineering climate (dumping Fe in the India ocean, for example) be a substitute for cutting CO2? If it's cheaper and more effective, then only very stupid people would argue for...sorry, I think I answered my own question.
These "climate" scientists are becoming obsessed and overwrought.
As the tidal wave of the Global Warming Church begins to slow, as more and more scientists, who ARE specialists in the climate, are beginning are beginning to backtrack and even outright dismiss AGW, those who remain loyal to the Church of Global Warming are beginning to panic.
If they were real scientists this would not happen, but the majority of supporters are "Activists" and uniformly, the rest are infected with the Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Want more? Here...
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport
Yes, it's from an Evil Republican Denier, but I challenge you to read it instead of arrogantly dismissing it as the work of Exxon.
If you are really what most of you say you are, then you will check it out with open minds.
Who am I kidding, you folks are no different that the Church in Medieval times. Your crowing about Science and Evidence are mere distractions obscuring the real goal of the GW Church which is to increase government control over all aspects of our lives.
Let's all pretend we have anthropogenic climate change and can fix it by geoengineering. How much geoengineering? When do you stop?
Since the data on climate change need to be considered over several decades to determine the extent of the change, what's the indicator that you're done geoengineering and should stop before you overshoot and cause an ice age?
Do you do one project and wait 100 years to see if it gets cooler? 50 years?
Wouldn't 50 or 100 years be better spent finding a way to cope with a slightly warmer climate? People find ways to deal with adversity all the time (or at least we used to before society decided that life was supposed to be problem-free). We can't find some way to flourish in 2 or 4 degree warmer temperatures given 50 or 100 years to work on it?
Because we have to.
We do not have to , global warming is not proven. Even if the oceans rise and all of the poles melt, humans will still survive and thrive. Sure, polar bears might go extinct, but so did dinosaurs millions of years before we were even around driving our SUVs. The only constant on this planet is change be it natural or man-made.
And then what happens when we get plunged into another ice age because of something?
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
OMG oh noes there are risks to anything we do! Hey next thing you know you go out of your house, cross the streets and bam you get hit by a car! But I heard that if you look right and left before you cross and wait for any cars to go by you may cross relatively safely. Nah nevermind let's all just hide under the covers.
You just got troll'd!
Vous seriez surpris. La plupart des gens qui post sur Slashdot racistes ne sont pas vraiment attribuer à la poubelle de leur détachement, ils cherchent à obtenir une augmentation de population. Sur cette note, nous devons envoyer les nègres de retour dans leurs foyers en Afrique.
You left out some groups, not just blacks and Jews, but Caucasians and Asians and if you're including Jews, include Christians and Muslims as well. There is plenty of racism in the poor black community for example blaming white people and Asians (especially Koreans for some reason) for their miserable life. Funny thing is, racism is one of the few things that is actually colour blind.
Arctic ice is increasing over the last year. World temperatures are down for the last two years (peaked in 1998). The computer models used for predicting anthropogenic global warming are diverging from actual observations. The prudent approach is to continue to observe and do nothing.
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Shhh, that's the reason we didn't yet invade Iran AND forbid Israel to do something.
Mutually Assured Destruction may have deterred the Russians, but since death brings joy to suicide bombing religions of peace, they will use the nuke once they have it. To bring about the 12th Imam and their version of Armageddon, if you believe their religious elite scholars (or the english transcripts thereof).
But when Iran finally bombs Israel, we Conservatives can finally say TOLDYA! to our multiculturalis hippies. And then start mopping up Islam, which will be much easier with all smartass hippies in shock and awe after they missed the emerging fascism AGAIN.
And because we don't need to protect a tiny desert state in the middle of it all anymore (it somehow ceased to exist thirty minutes after Iran got their working nuke), we could the whole site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
And then we clean Paris, London, Amsterdam and Brussels from the remaining terrorist sympathisers and welfare abusers.
It is crazy how scientific community behaves like just any other group where scientific methods are trumped by polls and consensus. It is exactly this herd mentality that prevented the community to look outside string theory for the grand unified theory.
Folks like Garrett Lisi had to resort to virtually getting away from civilization to make progress their own radical new ideas.
And this is a very classic example of the religious approach to climate change. It's just flat out logically broken, completely outside the realm of science, or a false dichotomy.
Here are a few thoughts for you: 1) 99% of all life that has ever lived on this planet is extinct. 2) During times when it was much hotter than it is now the earth was teeming with life. 3) There were times when the atmosphere of the Earth was 80% CO2. 4) James Hansen (NASA big wig involved in climate study and the keeper of the US climate data) has adjusted the numbers to make previous years cooler and more recent years hotter.
And a quote for you:
So when you start talking like the Earth is going to turn into a barren lifeless wasteland, and presenting questions like "how much a life worth", it is obvious you have no clue and can only argue by appealing to emotion rather than presenting actual facts and informed arguments.
man-made global warming is bullshit.
Listen, we don't understand Global Warming, er Global Cooling, er Global Climate Change. Since it can be anything, and caused by anything, we NEED to act. We can't just keep waiting around until we understand wtf we're talking about. We have to act before we understand these problems, and we better act big!
SAVE THE PLANET!!
Modding me -1 troll doesn't make me wrong.
Disproved last year. Of all the global warming gases CO2 is one of the "rarer" ones. Out of 100,000 molecules of air there are only 39 CO2 molecules. It takes FIVE YEARS of humans CURRENT CO2 output to raise it to 40. CO2 feeds plants. If AGW wackos succeed it is basically a suicide mission. Save the earth by starving the plants. Global temperatures are affected by Solar Activity. It has been low recently which is why the temps globally are the lowest they have been in 10 years. I know, NASA says they are higher. But Hanson, Al Gore's buddy, was caught cooking the books. He was carrying over August data into October. Of course the numbers look higher then. Geez. Stop the AGW fraud.