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Ballmer Sets Loose Windows 7 Public Beta At CES

CWmike writes "The rumors turned out to be true. Microsoft will release a public beta this week of its next desktop operating system, Windows 7, hoping it will address the problems that have made Windows Vista perhaps the least popular OS in its history. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will launch the beta during his speech at the start of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Wednesday. Preston Gralla reviewed Windows 7 beta 1, noting 'Fast and stable, Beta 1 of Windows 7 unveils some intriguing user-interface improvements, including the much-anticipated new task bar.' MSDN and Technet subscribers should be able to get the public data tonight. The general public will have to wait until Friday."

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  1. "Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...or doesn't it count because no one even tried to take it seriously?

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    1. Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My first thought as well. Millennium was even more horrendous then Vista in my opinion.

      Vista problems, at least in my experience, were due to hardware incompatibilities. Millennium was a terribly built OS that was rushed out way before ready.

      But maybe that was their strategy, "Millennium who?"

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    2. Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For me, the biggest problem was the removal of real mode DOS access. For someone moving from Windows 98 and still relying on a lot of DOS programs that didn't always play nice with protected mode. At least with Windows 2000, you didn't have to deal with the 9x series' infamous flakiness and instability nearly as often.

      The interface improvements (all of which were shamelessly taken from Windows 2000) were an improvement, sure, but in all other respects, Windows Me was less functional and less reliable than Windows 98SE. It wasn't that you it was so bad as to be unusable, but it was hardly worth the price of the upgrade.

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    3. Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by LiENUS · · Score: 5, Informative

      My big problem with vista is it likes to cache stuff. Accidentally try to access a network drive before the wireless is up? Vista's happy to cache the negative response and not let you access that drive even after the network is up. Though it seems to have improved some with recent patches. It use to not want to work unless I rebooted, now going into my computer and double clicking the drive seems to open it up fine.

    4. Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had an internship interview at MS a couple years ago. One of the interviewers I met with asked me about the best and worst software I had used. (No, I didn't say ME) After I was finished, I said that a lot of people didn't think too highly of Millennium and what he thought about it. He said, "We don't talk about Millennium..."

      It made the cross-country trip worth it

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    5. Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think Windows 7 will clear up the PR problems, fix a lot of the things that have bugged people the most, and overall just provide a better experience.

      That may be so, but I'd take the review here with a grain of salt.

      Preston Gralla is pretty much the epitome of a breathless Windows fanboi. Try reading some of his articles about Vista...

      To anyone who has been sitting on the fence over whether to upgrade to Microsoft's new operating system, I'll say it loud and clear: It's time to make the jump. There are plenty of reasons to leave Windows XP and install Vista.

      Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch

      The conventional wisdom, that Mac's OS X is superior to Windows Vista, is flat-out wrong. In fact, despite much belief to the contrary, Vista is a superior operating system.

      Five reasons why Vista beats Mac OS X

      ...and his blog here is full of pro MS/anti [any competitor] drivel.

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  2. Early reports say... by Chabo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Early reports say that no audience members were injured at today's CES, a rare occurrence for a Ballmer speech.

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  3. Least popular?? by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardly. If anything, it's the *most* popular. Popularity doesn't necessarily mean that something is liked, but having a lot of people dislike something as in the case of Vista means it's pretty damn popular. Just not for the reasons you'd like. It's easy to tell which is the least popular Windows ever: Windows 1.0. (It would be Microsoft Bob, except that's not actually "Windows".)

    However, even for the "most hated" award, it's a tight race between ME and Vista. I'd say the hatred of ME is more intense, while the hate for Vista is more widespread.

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    1. Re:Least popular?? by daveatneowindotnet · · Score: 5, Funny

      However, even for the "most hated" award, it's a tight race between ME and Vista. I'd say the hatred of ME is more intense, while the hate for Vista is more widespread.

      I don't know, YOU seem like a nice enough guy. Though your self important need to have references to YOU in all caps is a little annoying.

  4. Codename by leroybrown · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, won't sign up until it's given a cool name like 'Moab', 'Durango', or 'Rumplestilskin' and a slick marketing campaign designed to fool me into upgrading.

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  5. Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    r, making what was arguably Vista's best and at the same time worst feature (UAC) something that works without making itself so intrusive as to be the first time users desire to disable?!

    I love UAC. On XP, I used to have to de-malware my [anonymized family member]'s computer every couple of months. On Vista, I'm watching them use their machine, and UAC pops up with some spyware wanting to install. Box read, permission declined, no infestation I have to clean up.

    Again, it works great for me!

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  6. Re:What about us Vista users? by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a Computerworld article that states MS may give away free Windows 7 upgrades to those who purchased Vista after July 1st.

    http://linksubmit.net/?8e8296

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  7. Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? by Z34107 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, they did provide a public beta for Windows Vista. I was pretty excited to get the next version of Windows to "beta test" before it was released. The whole "oooh new and shiny" factor.

    But, the nice thing about the "resource intensive" API is that it actually uses your video card. Running Vista on a repurposed workstation at work, Aero without glass performs better than the software-only "classic" mode. (Though, this is anecdotal. The machine has 768 MB of RAM and an older Pentium 4.)

    The funny thing is Vista tries to put the hardware you have to use. Have 8 GB of RAM? It'll use the unallocated memory to cache programs. Have a discrete graphics card? It'll be virtualized and time slices doled out to applications. Have System Idle Process running at 99% 'cuz your CPU is bored? It'll index files, or defrag your disk (if your disk is also idle.)

    But, using hardware that would otherwise be idle is "resource intensive." It's a matter of perspective.

    +1 rambling for me? I'd settle for a cookie.

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  8. Windows 7 admin/root accounts and 64-bit by javacowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I understand, Windows 7 is Vista with some GUI improvement, significant performance enhancements, and new features. It's not a rewrite. It doesn't break backward compatibility. It doesn't solve the 32-bit 64-bit dilemma that both Linux and OS X are addressing. It doesn't eliminate the behaviour of configuring user accounts to be admin/root by default. It also doesn't force application developers to break old habits.

    It's definitely an improvement over Vista, but Microsoft is bound by backward compatibility requirements to keep shipping OS's that are fundamentally broken and that do not allow for 32-bit apps and drivers to run out of one 64-bit OS.

    They missed a golden opportunity to fix these problems to keep their OS relevant in terms of keeping up with OS technology.

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  9. Not true... by thenewguy001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A few audience members had scorched retinas from the spotlights reflecting off Ballmer's head. Ballmer says a new coat of turtle wax was to blame.

  10. Interesting note on the MSDN download.... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

    To protect your MP3 files

    1. Before you install this Beta release, back up all MP3 files that might be accessed by the computer, including those on removable media or network shares.

    2. Install the Beta release of Windows 7; download and install the Update to Windows 7 Beta (KB961367) located on this page.

    'To protect your MP3 files' - uhm, wtf?!

    1. Re:Interesting note on the MSDN download.... by kasot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      WMP would render mp3-files unusable if the meta-data is edited. Simply a bug...

  11. Re:OS or GUI??? by Your.Master · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're confusing issues. They are reviewing the new version of Windows. The specific definition of Operating System is ultimately meaningless in this discussion.

    The new taskbar and other UI tweaks are a part of the new version of Windows.

  12. Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Funny

    New Task Bar? Do the words "Titanic" and "rearranging the deckchairs" come to mind here?

    I think the phrase "rearranging the deckchairs" comes to mind ANY time Balmer is involved.

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  13. Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You'd think so, but it's actually not true. I find it amazing myself, but UAC actually works. I work at a PC phone support center, and we get tons of calls about computers infected with Antivirus 2009/Antivirus Pro/etc. Out of the dozens (if not hundreds) of these calls I've taken over the last few months, I got exactly one call about a Vista machine that was infected. A good 99%+ of those calls we get are for infected XP machines, and I can guarantee you XP does not have 99x the marketshare of Vista, by any measurement. I also had another call where the caller had gotten a popup that would have infected her computer, and she believed the popup and pressed "scan". Only problem for the malware was, the next screen she got was a "continue or cancel" screen from UAC, and that apparently scared her more than the panic popup had, and she clicked cancel.

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  14. Hatred for Vista is so over-blown by SpryGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, Microsoft is right about one thing: if you set people down in front of Vista and dont' tell them it's Vista, they love it. Tell them it's Vista, and they hate it.

    People are PRIMED to hate the OS based on the name and based on really over-blown and inaccurate Apple ads, and really bad experiences SOME users had in the first year (due to the "Vista Capable" debacle mostly).

    Since SP1, Vista has been very usable. I've been using it almost since it came out, and it's a perfectly decent OS. In fact, I sorta hate going back to XP now... I miss too many good things about Vista, like the instant search features, new Start menu, and just some of the look and feel.

    Nobody seems to remember how much people HATED the old "XP" when it first came out. It didn't really become popular until SP2 was released.

    Most of the anti-Vista sentiment is simply irrational and baseless.

    Are there some things not to like? Sure. I turn off UAC immediately. There are a few quirks in the new Windows Explorer that I don't like (and which seem to be unchanged in Windows 7). But really, beyond that? It's much more stable, and full featured than XP, and it looks a hell of a lot better. Yeah, it's a memory pig, but I run with plenty of memory for my needs, and have no problems. And after 2 years of use, it's "slowed down" far less than comparable XP machines have (the old "Windows Decay" problem).

    Am I looking forward to Windows 7? Definitely. It seems to fix the memory-pig and performance issues that Vista admittedly does have (a bigger issue on laptops than my desktop), but the fact will remain that it's little more than Vista with some spit and polish... and everyone will love it because it's "not Vista".

    Vista-hate is getting to be tedious and facile, and it really is more psychological than real.

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  15. Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? by flintmecha · · Score: 5, Informative

    No operating system requires defrag. The OS is not what you defrag. All filesystems fragment over time. NTFS more than others. It is a popular myth that you never need to defrag a linux box. It's just that the fragmentation is slower. Much slower. Sure, when it comes to when-you-need-to-defrag, Linux is usually better than Windows, but this doesn't mean a Windows PC is the only one that ever needs defrag.

  16. A Glowing Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They've...taken Vista, polished it up and threw in some nice UI tweaks...It's much snappier, and I really like the facelift given to apps like Paint and Wordpad

    Well, we couldn't ask for a more compelling review than that! I don't care what people say about 64 bits, UAC, DRM, or corrupted mp3's. Paint and Wordpad have always been there for me!~