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Personality Testing For Employment

Thelasko writes "While I was in college, I had the opportunity to take an elective course in Industrial Psychology. One section of the course covered hiring practices and the validity of 'personality testing' to screen applicants (Google link for non-subscribers). The Wall Street Journal has a long article discoursing on how such tests are used in today's economy. While personality tests may be designed to uncover underlying personality traits such as honesty, critics claim that the tests instead reward cheaters." The article talks mostly about the tests' use in winnowing candidates for retail positions — deciding whom to interview. Anybody encountered them in an IT or more technical context?

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  1. Not technical by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many years ago, I took one of those for a Sales job at Sears, an ethics test. The thing was completely worthless; Anyone with an IQ over 90 could have figured out the "correct" answers. Basically, suggest harsh punishment for any crimes, admit to committing one minor offense as a child and feeling guilty about it, and deny ever having broken a law since.

    In high school I took one for an avation class. Apparently pilots are required to take them. (?) That was a test of my sanity and equally easy to figure out. It consisted of tests like "you just killed a man. Why?" and the trick was to admit equally to each of four possible psychological problems so you look balanced. God forbid a smart lunatic or a smart criminal take those tests.

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    1. Re:Not technical by Minwee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing was completely worthless; Anyone with an IQ over 90 could have figured out the "correct" answers.

      Perhaps you misunderstood the purpose of the test.

      Would you want to hire someone who couldn't even figure out how to lie convincingly during an interview for a position which would involve being in constant contact with the public?

      A big part of dealing with customers is figuring out the "correct" answers. Basically, that the customer's concern is important to you, that the more expensive product really is a better choice, and that you really are going to be right back after checking the reserve stock section which really is located right near the break room.

      If a simple test can filter out the applicants who are too honest or too clueless for a career in retail sales, why not use it?

    2. Re:Not technical by ozbon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I took one of these tests years ago for a role in a support helldesk.

      The results came out that I was :
      a) excellent at problem solving
      b) crap at being in a team
      c) crap at being micro-managed

      When they fired me six months later, the reason given was "Despite being one of the best problem solvers (95% clean-up rate) I didn't fit with the team, and had a personality clash with the manager"

      I told them that was the exact result from the test, and they said "Well, we assumed everyone lied on the test". Way to go...

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  2. HR's recruitment process in a nutshell... by Klootzak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's something I thought was an exellent example of HR people tend to think (copied from here):

    1. Put 400 bricks in a closed room.

    2. Put your new hires in the room and close the door.

    3. Leave them alone and come back after six hours.

    4. Then analyze the situation.

    a. If they are counting the bricks, put them in the Accounting Department.

    b. If they are recounting them, put them in Auditing.

    c. If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks, put them in Engineering.

    d. If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order, put them in Planning.

    e. If they are throwing the bricks at each other, put them in Operations.

    f. If they are sleeping, put them in Security.

    g. If they have broken the bricks into pieces, put them in Information Technology.

    h. If they are sitting idle, put them in Human Resources.

    i. If they say they have tried different combinations and they are looking for more, yet not a brick has been moved, put them in Sales.

    j. If they have already left for the day, put them in Management.

    k. If they are staring out of the window, put them in Strategic Planning.

    l. If they are talking to each other, and not a single brick has been moved, congratulate them and put them in Top Management.

    m. Finally, if they have surrounded themselves with bricks in such a way that they can neither be seen nor heard from, put them in Congress.

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  3. Re:google does by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I went for a job at google I would expect them to have my profile already. You have been visiting the following web sites...

  4. I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Companies that have formalized tests of personality might be opening themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit, unless there is a way to map personality type to a tangible requirement for the job. (IANAL.)

    There are federal laws banning the use of polygraphs in interviews, but this type of thing is VERY similar.

    These personality tests are, imho, worse then polygraphs.

    Polygraphs only determine if you lie or feel discomfort, but these tests determine whether you conform to some arbitrary personality type.

    "rejected from e-harmony" commercial anyone?
    Apparently not being a blithe, extroverted yes-man on some arbitrary test now means you can't get a job.
    Talk about social darwinism.

    I've taken very similar tests on sites which give ME the results and it shows that, while I possess many good qualities, my reserved nature makes me hard for others to read, particularly in that my expression of happiness or enthusiasm are externally muted.

    In fact, my personality type is represented by 0.003% of the population.

    I'm a pessimist and an introvert. This does NOT interfere with my ability to put on a professional face and be friendly to clients, but it does cause a great deal of stress when a potential job is at stake. Further, being a pessimist, while many people frown on it, has many positive qualities in a work environment, such as a propensity to properly assess and prepare for likely hurdles on a project.

    This doesn't matter though, as the slightest sign of discomfort or non-conformity is construed as some kind of black mark.

    Job ad says "we need free thinkers", personality test says "sorry you don't meet the 99.99999999% match we require with our VP's personality." Interestingly the most brilliant and talented people tend to be eccentric. A classic example of mediocrity rising to the top... except now only mediocrity is allowed in the door period.

    The academic equivalent would be someone being passed up who knows their stuff but doesn't test well, while an incompetent who's good at telling people what they want to hear gets top marks.

    I would also like to know if this falls afoul of discrimination laws.

    Your personality is far more deeply ingrained than your religion. You should not be disqualified because of it unless you are severely psychologically impaired.

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    1. Re:I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by Vertana · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a teenager, I was always passed up because I couldn't "pass" the personality test on BestBuy.com (for The Geek Squad), despite the fact that I already had my A+ and was on my way to a CCNA at the time. I talked to the employer at that local store and while he recognized that I probably knew my field I 'HAD' to pass that personality test. Needless to say I never got hired by them.

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    2. Re:I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently not being a blithe, extroverted yes-man on some arbitrary test now means you can't get a job.

      I was recently hired for a new job, and of my new bosses, while they've uniformly expressed pleasure in my technical abilities, they all say the reason for hiring me was my personality. One mentioned specifically that their job involves keeping clients happy, and who would you rather bring to meet the client: the arrogant jackass who's got a lot of technical experience, or the personable guy who is willing to learn anything he doesn't know and happy to admit that he doesn't know everything.

      Your mileage may vary, but I just jumped $30k in salary during a recession.

      Did any of them hear of "faking it"?

      It's quite possible to "fake it".

      it's also quite possible to have an adaptive and modular personality with a "core" that is "you".

      I fall into this final category.

      My mother thinks i'm one person, my friends think im another, my boss thinks i'm another.
      Back in school, the motto was: if it's for a grade I can and will do whatever is necessary. This included phys ed. I'm by no means an athelete but I outperformed the jocks on the track when there was a grade attached to it.

      Provide a great enough point of interest (compensation, subject material, a cause to work for, or please please please all 3) and I will adopt whatever demeanor and expertise are necessary to get the job done.

      All the personality test does is weed out people like me.

      It can measure the core, or whatever I THINK they might want, but without them telling me what they're looking for I can't adapt myself to their environment.

      "we're going on a trip, we want a vehicle"

      via which medium? microgravity? the ocean? land? the atmosphere?
      what are you taking along?
      what balance of efficiency or redundancy do you need?
      do you value endurance or speed?

      When faced with some automated test you can't ask these questions!

    3. Re:I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by ishobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When I was teen, I applied for sales job at a local computer store. I had to take one of these tests and failed. The manager made an exception and hired me. Of the people that passed the test and worked at the store, three were fired for stealing and the manager (who became an area manager) was fired for having an affair with his subordinate. Yeah, they work well.

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    4. Re:I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, judging from your post, you are for the personality tests, because they saved you from Geek Squad.

    5. Re:I would like to hear from a lawyer on this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      'jobs today have a higher technical requirement than back in the day, so while i don't agree that just turning up is enough to get the job'

      Your average person turning up has a higher technical capability today than back in the day as well. Almost every position is trainable in any case. Personality checks, credit checks, drug tests, etc are all worthless garbage on the hiring front but what is worse is this obsession with trying to find the already perfectly qualified candidate.

      I'm a technician. I work in the field, on a daily basis I encounter systems and software and must master them quickly enough to resolve problems encountered by people who work with those systems all day everyday for a living and make them think I knew more about it than them all along. I have been doing so successfully for years. Yet, despite this, I have been turned down for positions before because I lacked experience with a particular application, perhaps backup application, etc.

      When did people lose sight of the fact that working a position within a single company generally involves a skillset that a competent fast learner can master within two months? The fact that two months of training is too much to invest in an employee these days says a great deal about the direction companies are moving in.

  5. Last I heard they were still a crock... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I too took Industrial Psychology, and some other psychology courses as well. I remember that two of the courses covered the subject of "personality testing", and nearly all the material and cases we covered criticized the use of personality testing for any kind of serious use, as being notoriously unreliable.

    For example, my professors (and our course material) taught me that some corporations still use one or another form of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI), or tests derived from it, for personality testing prospective employees and so on. In the words of one professor: "This test and similar tests were thoroughly discredited over 20 years ago. It is astounding that anybody would still give them credence."

    But apparently some still do.

    Some personality tests are easy to figure out, which indeed rewards cheaters. Others use various levels of trickery to try to combat cheating (multiple, modified forms of the same question scattered throughout the test, for example), which rewards the more intelligent cheaters. And so on. Often the tests are biased culturally, and some of them still in use are so old that their wording, assumptions, and scoring are questionable today.

    In short, I would look at personality tests for pre-employment screening the same way I look at drug testing and standard polygraphs: If you are an "innocent" person, you should NEVER volunteer to do these things. They do absolutely nothing to help your situation, and all you can do is lose. Statistically, they are also biased toward false positives more than false negatives, and the odds are not in your favor. And finally, I thoroughly despise the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude that is firmly set by the use of these tests when there is no prior suspicion of wrongdoing or problems. It sends the wrong message to employees, and their families, and their children.

  6. From an Industrial Psychologist... by RichDiesal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is actually hotly debated amongst industrial psychologists.
     
    Vendors of personality tests include items that "detect" patterns of responses that appear to be due to this kind of cheating. They then look at these cheaters (the ones who are purposefully answer how a "good employee" would answer instead of with their own tendencies) and check their level of job performance. Oddly enough, there is a correlation - people who pad their responses to look like a "good employee" also tend to have higher job performance ratings, at least as it appears to their supervisors.

  7. Nothing new here - read The Organization Man by RGRistroph · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These types of tests have been used ever since professional management was invented as a skill separate from actually being able to do anything economically useful.

    I suggest that anyone who has to work in an organization that uses these types of tests read "The Organization Man" by William H. Whyte. Some key chapters are online here: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/whyte-main.html However, what is not online is the Appendix, titled "How To Cheat on Personality Tests". The book was published in 1956.

    Whyte doesn't suggest that you cheat on personality tests just because you are greedy, or because corporations are evil and you have to survive, or anything radical like that. It is clear from the book that Whyte is the kind of guy who presumes that most people are well-intentioned, that managers probably want to hire the best, and they need these scores to cover their ass, so people should give the correct answers on tests so managers can then pick the good guys and promote them.

    Meyer-Briggs and Minnesota Multi-Phasic whatchamacallits have never been shown to be of any practical use, and their pointlessness has been known for decades.

    "The Organization Man" is one of the funniest books I have ever read, but I think it is only funny if you have been exposed to Organization Men enough to recogize the traits he points out, and it is a kind of dry, no-punch line humour that I associate with old men who are constantly laughing at you inside. For the enjoyment of Slashdot I will reproduce here a couple of paragraphs from the "How to Cheat on Personality Tests" chapter:

    "The important thing to realize is that you don't win a good score: you avoid a bad one. (...) Sometimes it is perfectly all right for you to score in the 80th or 90th percentile; if you are being tested, for example, to see if you would make a good chemist, a score indicating that you are likely to be more reflective than ninety out of a hundred adults might not harm you and might even do you some good."

    "By and large, however, your safety lies in getting a score somewhere between the 40th and 60th percentiles, which is to say, you should try to answer as if you were like everyone else is supposed to be. This is not always too easy to figure out, of course, and this is one of the reasons why I will go into some detail in the following paragraphs on the principal types of questions. When in doubt, however, there are two general rules you can follow: (1) When asked for word associations or comments about the world, give the most convential, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian answer possible. (2) To settle the most beneficial answer to any question, repeat to yourself:

    a) I loved my father and my mother, but my father a little bit more
    b) I like things pretty well the way they are
    c) I never worry much about anything
    d) I don't care for books or music much
    e) I love my wife and children
    f) I don't let them get in the way of company work"

    You know what is the saddest about these personality tests ? This guide to cheating on them was written just a few years after the basic ones became popular (they were developed in the 20's and 30's, came into use and were standardized (and also statistically tested and proven worthless) in the bureaucracy of WWII, and The Organization Man was published in '56), but the cheat guide works perfectly well even for tests developed long after the cheat guide was written.

    You can take a computer administered test developed in the last few years by the best minds in modern management theory, and cheat it with a guide written over 50 years ago.

  8. That reminds me... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Interesting

    of my application, years ago, for a tech position with Gateway. I was told that their contracted "employment firm" would be getting in touch with me.

    Their guy, who presented himself as a lead tech (and he might have been) called and said we would set up a telephone interview (he was many states away). I told him that was fine, but that if he was going to call me on that day, it was important that we keep to the schedule because I had an existing job, and my schedule was tight.

    He called an hour late. Then, I was about halfway through the phone interview, when he interrupted me in the answer I was giving, spoke to someone where he was, then got back on the phone and said we would have to do this later, they had an "emergency" of some kind with a computer for a customer that had to be handled right away.

    They were trying to stress-test me!

    I explained to him, still calm and collected, that he could call me back on X day (the next day I think), but if he did he would have to be prompt that time, because I was busy at my job and did not have time to wait for him to call if he did not call on schedule.

    He called an hour late again. I explained to him, as calmly and coolly as I could, that I really did want the job, but that I did not have time to talk to him. I explained that I had already told him once that I already had a good job, and was not willing to jeopardize that just so he could play transparent games in my "interview".

    He turned completely cold. His voice turned cold, his responses turned cold, and he grudgingly said that they would get back to me.

    Yeah, right.

    1. Re:That reminds me... by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He called an hour late again.

      Remember: you're interviewing your prospective employer, too. This guy clearly failed YOUR test.

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  9. I own a consulting firm and I use these by Sonyturbo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I can certainly sympathize with people who have been subjected to a poorly thought out hiring process - whether it involves a person or a test asking questions which seem unhelpful to the process of making a match between employee and employer.

    I own a small IT firm and in the past 10 years I have hired perhaps 40 people and interviewed hundreds. I try hard to be a good guy and part of that is hiring people who will be a good fit for our firm. Making bad hiring decisions is very painful - for me, for the other people who work here, for our customers and for the employee who is more than likely not enjoying himself. And you know, in our type of consulting, where everyone knows lots of passwords to lots of firms, you can lose some sleep over wanting to let go someone who might have bad feelings over the matter. Its important to get the decision to hire right in the first place for everyone concerned.

    I have some pretty smart and experienced guys as coaches, guys who have built and run businesses with hundreds of employees - whose counsel I respect. And one day when I had had a particularly painful experience with someone who was not working out, I asked one of these guys "what did you learn in your 40 years about hiring". And they pointed me to one of these firms. And you know, believe it or not, the good firms out there(we use Caliper) can pretty much do what they say. While its by no means the only criteria, our experience has shown that the insight from these profiles can provide useful input to the hiring decision. I should add that I am a research engineer by training - and so I had historically approached these things from a perspective of extreme skepticism. Further, I would not stand up and count myself as a very good reader of other people - I mean after all, there's a reason I'm an engineer instead of a social worker or psychologist.

    Before I started using this for hiring I paid to have three people already on staff fill out a profile. I knew these guys, we had worked together for at least a year. I was astonished by the detail with with the person interpreting the test could describe the personalities of our folks. Things like "Joe is a pretty smart guy but he tends not to over exert himself, and yet no-one ever gets mad at him because he is so charming.". Maybe you had to be there and maybe you need to know Joe but the description was spot on. And time has just proven this was not a fluke.

    Our folks are all consultants, they have to be good problems solvers and good "people" people. Based on our experience, we have found that these tests can be helpful in understanding
    • Analytical capability (that's pretty easy to believe eh slashdotters? Just ask some "what number comes next in the series" and similar questions
    • Empathy - how much do you care to understand the other guy's perspective?
    • Gregariousness - its harder to fool the 1 hour test than it is to fool me in a 1 hour interview I have found.
    • Priority setting - a key charateristic for bringing projects under budget.
    • Self Confidence - another important trait for people in our business since the only way to never make a mistake is to stay home in bed.
    • Trust in other people - do you believe the people around you are likely to act in your mutual best interests or are most people out only for themselves? You want team members to be the sorts of people who havfe inherent trust in their fellow human beings.

    These tests can help tell you if you are inclined to be a good sales person vs a good engineer for example.

    And its not mumbo jumbo that drives this. Its just freaking statistics. You do a lot of research characterizing lots of people and then you find a set of questions whose answers correlate the characteristics you have observed.

    Having added this testing to our interview process, we have dropped our bad hiring decisions from 30% to less than 10%. Personally, again, I think its a courtesy to all concerned to do eve

    1. Re:I own a consulting firm and I use these by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can see points of bias in your tests already.

      The exclusion bias.

      You have no idea how many people with different personalities from those you know were excluded. Perhaps people who had personalities with more facets than the test could examine, or with facets none of "kennedy's wiz kids" (who designed the test the same way they ran vietnam) have ever seen.

      The inherent inaccuracy of self-confidence.

      self-confidence is a relative thing.
        People who are interviewing for a job generally have their fundamental ability to eat and pay rent at stake. Those are much, MUCH higher stakes than "this is a new client, let's do a good job" and as such is subject to greater risk aversity.

      Analytical capability:

      Various positions require various levels of analysis, and my experience is those robotic tests do not provide adequate clues as to the level of analysis which should be applied.

      And its not mumbo jumbo that drives this. Its just freaking statistics.

      because we all know statistics cannot be manipulated, misrepresented, improperly gathered, etc.

      Employment prospects are more like a scatter plot with high variance, and these tests are like the most simplistic best-fit regression lines. They WILL exclude wide swaths of excellent candidates based on arbitrarily placed limits. This is especially true for testing services contracted from outside.

      o everyone a huge favor by helping to ensure that the people we offer jobs to will do well in them and be happy

      Isn't that what interviews and training programs are for? acquainting them with company policy, teaching them the procedures, filling them in on how to do their job?

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  10. When I was in a hiring position... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always hired who ever I thought looked best in a tight sweater - without regard to race, creed, or color.

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