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DivX 7 Adds Support For Blu-ray Rips (H.264/MKV)

mrspin writes "DivX looks set to continue to be the video format of choice for 'grey' content, with the company announcing that version 7 adds support for H.264 video and, more significantly, the Matroska (MKV) container. Anybody familiar with Blu-ray rips found on BitTorrent sites or other filesharing networks will instantly recognize the MKV file format in combination with the H.264 codec as a popular way to deliver High Definition video on a PC. And now that DivX is throwing its weight behind the Matroska container, MKV support should increasingly find its way on a range of non-PC devices, such as Blu-ray players, HD digital televisions and set-top boxes."

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  1. H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    While it wasn't mentioned in the article, it was mentioned in one of the many articles that it links to but DivX is facing Adobe in the marketshare for being the predominant technology streaming H.264. I believe this is Flash being used as a container to stream H.264 instead of the Matroska container.

    And now that DivX is throwing its weight behind the Matroska container, MKV support should increasingly find its way on a range of non-PC devices, such as Blu-ray players, HD digital televisions and set-top boxes.

    I don't know man, I think both DivX & Adobe have hidden costs even if both like you to view them as "open." I would put my money on Adobe coming through with better player/container support & marketing. On top of that, I don't know of any plans for DRM in Matroska.

    So while this is great news for the people who want to put their home videos out there with software that doesn't support DRM (is the average user really going to care though?), I think that the MPAA & porn industry are going to be the deciders here (as they usually are).

    My prediction: Flash 9 will become so pervasive that everyone will use that as a container instead of asking their users to download & install a DivX codec.

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    1. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't understand why you think DivX won't succeed. For years no-name DVD players have almost all supported DivX, and now even my Pioneer unit is DivX 6 certified. It doesn't seem like a stretch that they will support 7.

      Personally, I love having 3 or 4 DVDs on a single disk for traveling. Since my portable player supports DivX, I can fit more than a whole season of Dora on a single disk and keep the little one quiet on long trips.

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    2. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless Adobe majorly changes direction wrt supporting non x86 platforms it WILL lose the race. More and more people are consuming content on non-PC platforms and people are starting to not care that their device doesn't support flash, they are starting to demand that content providers offer an alternate container. A prime example is Google with youtube which now streams standard x.264 which while originally meant for iPhone support is being used more and more for all sorts of devices (I use it on my BB).

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    3. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by cj1127 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it'll never catch on! http://www.youtube.com/

    4. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by HiVizDiver · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can fit more than a whole season of Dora on a single disk and keep the little one quiet on long trips

      Careful, statements like that will get you ragged on in here about how you're a horrible parent (by people who have never even touched a member of the opposite sex, let alone had kids of their own), and you should be taking your child outside to play - while you're in the car on long trips. ;-)

    5. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by phoenix321 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Followed by rabid environmentalists demanding that you don't use your car for long trips or that you don't even travel that far.

      They will then battle with the radical feminists claiming you subjugated a free womyn by forcing her to have kids.

      Well, let's get some popcorn while we wait :)

    6. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Careful, statements like that will get you ragged on in here about how you're a horrible parent ... and you should be taking your child outside to play - while you're in the car on long trips. ;-)

      If you haven't been pulled over because your kid had their head out a window/sunroof, you're doing it wrong.
      /sorry dad, but you only got a warning

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    7. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Funny

      But long car trips without TV? I don't know how our ancient ancestors did it!

      It's called the "backhand" slap" which usually followed the exclamation "I'll turn this car around!"

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    8. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slacker. I accelerate to 100, roll the minivan down the off-ramp, powerslide across four lanes of traffic, and then hop back on the interstate. No need for this "backhand" or "I'll turn this car around!" you speak off. Although everyone will need a change of pants at your destination.

    9. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can fit more than a whole season of Dora on a single disk and keep the little one quiet on long trips

      Careful, statements like that will get you ragged on in here about how you're a horrible parent

      I know; think of the quality loss! Your kid's eyesight is going to develop poorly after being exposed to those compression artifacts.

    10. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny

      They will then battle with the radical feminists claiming you subjugated a free womyn by forcing her to have kids.

      Sometimes it's hard to have a conversation on Slashdot with the radical feminists leaping in all the time. :)

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    11. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by sholsinger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dad, is that you?

    12. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is old news, and you're misrepresenting it. The Flash player supports H.264 in the standard MP4 container, not only in the old FLV container. In fact it seems like FLV is being phased out. So, surprisingly, Flash has become the leader in standardization of video formats. AVC/AAC is likely to become a new de-facto standard, whether in Matroska or MP4 containers. Container formats don't matter much. It's very easy and fast to remux something into another container if the stream formats are supported.

    13. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Informative

      FLV was never a streaming container in the first place. In fact, being nothing more than a unmanaged HTTP download that you watch while it still loads, it's a very crappy way of "streaming" data. I can do that with most formats, by downloading them to the disk, and then playing them in my favorite media player. I did this with MP3s since 1999.

      I did not even have to re-download it, every time I wanted to play it.

      FLV can't even come close to MKV in things of media containers. MKV supports multiple streams of video, audio, subtitles, or in fact anything that you can think of (eg a stream for some special effects device), stream tags, timecodes, cues, stereoscopy, stretching/compressing, attachments (eg cover, background information, reviews), segment linking and chapters. Oh, and of course, because it's EBML, you can add your own "tags" and functionality as you like, without affecting the compatibility to old programs. And it's made for very flexible streaming.

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    14. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. Fuck streaming, it is always crappy.

      Generalizations always suck.

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    15. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by nametaken · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think I met you on the way to work this morning.

      Dick.

    16. Re:H.264/HE-AAC support in Flash Player 9 by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Drugs. I'll have to remember drugs.

      My kid has, um, CAR SICKNESS! Yes, that's it. Car sickness. So, um, I have to give her Dramamine. Yup.

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  2. So, remind me again... by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remind me again, how does Matroska + H.264 automagically equals "Blu-ray Rips" and piracy in general?

    Isn't that a bit like saying that Bittorrent automatically equals pirated software?

    1. Re:So, remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      H.264 gives unequalled compression on CP and terrorist training videos.
      I'm not sure about the technical reasons behind this.

    2. Re:So, remind me again... by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 4, Informative

      Neither the summary nor the article said anything about piracy, whether "in general" or otherwise. You made that association on your own.

      Are we reading the same article?
      From TFA:

      DivX looks set to continue to be the video format of choice for 'grey' content

      Anybody familiar with Blu-ray rips found on BitTorrent sites or other filesharing networks will instantly recognize the MKV file format in combination with the H.264 codec as a popular way

      Now, unless you are aware of a completely legit interpretation of the words "Blu-ray rips on filesharing networks" that I am not aware of...

    3. Re:So, remind me again... by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on, the article is titled "DivX 7 adds support for Blu-ray rips", not "DivX 7 adds supports for popular HD formats"...

    4. Re:So, remind me again... by Goaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, technically it doesn't equal that.

      But really, that particular argument would carry more weight if there existed any MKV+h.264 files that weren't pirated. I can't recall ever seeing one.

    5. Re:So, remind me again... by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have 1000 DVD's all "tagged and bagged" in my media center.

      It's all tied together through the home network so that a
      number of "thin clients" attached to TV's and any computer
      attached to the home network can see all of that.

      That is VERY convenient.

      I don't have any BD-ROMs yet, but I will. They will get
      sucked into the media center like everything else. They
      might even end up as MKVs.

      HELL, based on this news it might end up shuffled around
      so that it's in MKV rather than AVI.

      BTW, every one of those ripped DVDs is within reaching
      distance of where I am sitting presently.

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  3. DivX (the codec) is irrelevant by Tack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's nice to see DivX (the company) back Matroska, but does anyone really use DivX (the codec) anymore? Their ASP codec is consistently inferior to Xvid, and so my faith that they will be able to develop a new AVC codec that bests x264 is not terribly strong.

  4. Grey area by papasui · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate comments like this, they make a rather popular codec. It's not popular because of piracy, it's popular because it works well. It's like blamming the MP3 format for music piracy, before that it was casettes. If DivX/Xvid/Mp3 wasn't around piracy would exist in another format.

    1. Re:Grey area by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's popular because it's good, why is it still mostly used for piracy rather than other things?

      Let me rephrase that: What it is used for other than piracy?

      I have seen a couple really low-budget games that use it. (And both the game and video was shitty quality.) Some (really high-tech) people send their personal videos in it. I've not seen -anything- else use it.

      So their comments are spot-on. It is what people use it for, and it got popular because people use it for that.

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  5. Really? Do you need to associate it with piracy? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, was the piracy spin really needed? Youtube uses them, DVD/Bluray players use them, MP3 players use them, heck Windows 7 is even including DivX, H.264 (though not sure if it's through the new DivX codec), and AAC support now. Hate to break it to you, but these codecs are used for a lot more things other than copyright infringement.

  6. Re:I don't understand by Milvuss · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's simple : DivX is a video software, not a video format. It always has been. DivX 4-6 is based on one standard format : MPEG-4 Part 2 (aka MPEG-4 Visual, aka MPEG-4 ASP). So they are just updating their software to support the latest standard format, H.264 (aka MPEG-4 part 10, aka MPEG-4 AVC).

    The equation video codec = video format is just a bad habit, and most of the time false today with proprietary things like Indeo ou RealVideo less and less used.

  7. Downloading isn't even illegal... by Langfat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that Slashdot is US-centric, but it should be pointed out that in many other countries it is not illegal to download a copy of content that you already legally own.

    I can't be bothered to learn how to properly rip HD content from a blu-ray when there are already experts who can do/have done it for me.

  8. This makes no sense.... by ConallB · · Score: 5, Informative

    DivX makes an announcement that thier DivX player can now support a format that even Media Player Classic can play with an open source codec?

    First off, MKV is a container which can add features to an encoded video stream such as chapters, subtitles, additional audio streams etc.

    The corresponding DivX container (Introduced with DivX6) is far inferior with its limited support for audio codecs and its insistence on DivX video encoding profiles.

    DivX the codec is simply a MP4 based video/audio encoder.

    You can wrap virtually any video or audio format in an MKV container and it should work just fine. I see no reason why DivX encoded movies could not be wrpped in an MKV container!

    I have never tried to encode DivX into an MKV container for several reasons:

    1. DivX is not the best MP4 Codec out there, XviD is better and freely availiable (It is a fork of the original OpenDivX).
    2. DivX started bundling thier codecs with all sorts of crapware some time ago which really tuned me off the codec.
    3. x264 is already availiable for high definition encoding.
    4. DivX encoding will cost you money with the Pro version.
    5. It is bloatware.

    Basically DivX are trying to make money by charging inexperienced users for functionality that is already freely availiable.

    If you want to watch virtually every availiable format without problems with a choice of video players I suggest the Combined Community Codec Pack (http://www.cccp-project.net/).

    Or you can go ahead and pay the ignorance tax that is DivX.

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    1. Re:This makes no sense.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're missing the point. This is about slapping logos on things, so people know what they're getting. Here's how it works.

      My DVD player contains decoders for MPEG1 and MPEG2 video, and Dolby Digital. My receiver can also decode DTS. My HD DVD player can - on top of those standards - decode H.264, VC-1, and Dolby TrueHD (and a bunch of other Dolby standards.)

      But there are limitations. None of these players can decode an arbitrary MPEG1 stream. If I encode a 1080p24 MPEG1 stream, they'll choke. This is because 1080p24 is not a supported profile. Likewise, the Receiver will probably choke if I find a 1Mbps AC-3 Dolby Digital stream and try to get it to play it.

      The purpose of the DVD and HD DVD logos when put on players is to say "This equipment supports these standards", and the purpose of the logos when put on discs is to say "This disc is formatted to this standard."

      That's what DivX are selling. They're not selling you what you already have. They're selling you a known quality. They're making it possible to make DVD players that support H.264 video and AC-3 audio, in such a way that you know that IF you create an MKV of a supported bitrate, using a supported resolution, using a supported profile, using the supported codecs, using the supported framerates, you will know that that MKV will work on every player that carries the DivX 7 logo.

      Oh, and they're selling the software to player manufacturers, but the player manufacturers have to get it from somewhere...

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  9. Why is Matroska used? by Telvin_3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somewhat tangential, but can someone explain why Matroska is the favorite container for ripped H.264 video? While I can appreciate that it is the 'open' alternative to the other formats it does not have significant technical advantages. However, open source ideology doesn't usually trump practical concerns in the ripping communities. Many devices and programs commonly used with ripped video, like media servers, media extenders, portable media players and many software players deal poorly with .mkv files. So why the heavy bias for .mkv as a container format instead of something like .mp4?

    1. Re:Why is Matroska used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Somewhat tangential, but can someone explain why Matroska is the favorite container for ripped H.264 video? While I can appreciate that it is the 'open' alternative to the other formats it does not have significant technical advantages.

      The short answer is that AVI does not have proper support for the b-pyramids in H.264. You can put H.264 into AVI but this involves putting the b-frames into the same packets at the i-frames and this causes the timecodes and seeking to get messed up. Additionally AVI only allows a single audio track, which is a problem for multiple-language releases. Also many AVI players can not handle VBR audio properly. Subtitles are another issue. So yes, there are significant techinical reasons for using MKV instead of AVI.

    2. Re:Why is Matroska used? by Sancho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know why it's currently a favorite, but like ZFS, the goal for Matroska is for it to be the end-all be-all of container formats. They eventually want to be able to have DVD-like menu systems, for example. How sweet would it be to be able to rip your DVD (including menus and special features?)

      Matroska also supports an unlimited number of tracks. That's pretty neat, though I don't know if anyone's doing much with that.

      As I noted in another post, it even allows for variable frame-rate (VFR) encodings, meaning that the frame-rate can change in the middle of the video stream. This addresses a common problem with encoding DVD rips from sources with mixed content.

      Most modern television is filmed at 24fps (really 23.976). The film is then sometimes telecined to 30fps (really 29.97) to display on interlaced NTSC TVs. A goal for encoding is to reduce filesize--so if you can recover the 24fps video from the 30fps "source" (from a capture card or from a telecined DVD) then you can encode only 24fps instead of 30fps. In addition, you don't have interlacing in your output. The recovery process is called inverse telecine (IVTC.)

      The problem comes when producers draw on the video. Special effects may be created at a different frame rate than the filmed scenes. IVTC will be unable to recover if the animation is at 30fps. You'll get awful-looking animated shots. Alternatively, you can try deinterlacing instead of IVTC, but then you get awful-looking motion in the non-animated segments.

      Enter Matroska. Now you can IVTC when appropriate, deinterlace when appropriate, and simply keep the source frame-rate when appropriate. You get the best of all worlds, and all because you can store VFR video streams.

  10. Way to be out of touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MKV is superior container because it allows multiple streams within a single container, including multiple languages and subtitles. It *doesn't care* about the underlying codec's. For cripes sake, it supports DTS-HD out of the box without any special extensions. I have a feeling MKV is exactly what's needed right now. A lot of hi-def media devices are already supporting it, everything from China these days supports it.

    You can imagine that media companies hate it simply because it doesn't allow lock in to a format.

    And in case you don't get it, this is not not like an OGG VOBIS debate; this is about using open standards for data. You're making the equivalent argument that all documents should be in MS Office format because that's all you ever use.

    MKV is here to stay simply because it's perfect for 2009.

  11. Re:DivX AVC is MainConcept by PhillC · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm big supporter, and user, of x264, but I always thought MainConcept was the slightly better H.264 codec.

    This codec comparison is a year old now, but I've always used these generally yearly tests as a yard stick. MainConcept and X264 are the clear winners, with MainConcept probably slightly ahead overall. If you're short on time, just start reading at page 30.

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  12. Re:I don't understand by Sancho · · Score: 3, Informative

    MKV also supports variable frame rate encodings, which is very useful for encoding animation.

  13. Codec vs Container by coryking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Took a while for that distinction to sink in. Here is another container format you'll be hearing about a lot more in the coming months. QAM and ATSC. QAM is only a signal modulation and can be used to stream any kind of container format--usually some variant of ATSC. Think of it, I guess, as like the low-level ethernet stuff--ethernet doesn't care if you use TCP/IP or IPX/SPX. ATSC is kind of like TCP/IP or IPX/SPX, it defines how information is sent over the low-level stuff, but for the most part it doesn't care what the information is (MPEG2, H.264). ATSC typically only carries MPEG2, but I guess it has been updated to carry H.264/MPEG4. I guess it can only carry AC-3 audio streams and not mp3.

    If you really want to force yourself to learn about video and audio codecs and containers, force yourself to use ffmpeg on the command line for a while. It's docs and number of switches can seem daunting at first, but just remember what you are trying to do is tell it what codecs to use, what bitrates to use, and any modification to the video/audio stream (aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, etc). If you type "ffmpeg -formats | less", you'll get a list of what your version of ffmpeg can read and what containers and codecs it can write to. Keep in mind not every container can hold all the codecs; you'll have to consult wikipedia for that. The whole exercise will make you think about every aspect of your transcoding experience.

    PS: is it me or does chrome have a horrible spellchecker?

  14. Re:What Gray Content? by kelnos · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is exactly nothing illegal about making copies of your own discs for personal use.

    In the US, at least, the DMCA would beg to differ with that interpretation, for media protected by an anti-circumvention device. That would be pretty much anything relevant today aside from audio CDs.

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