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Why the Mediterranean Is the Net's Achilles' Heel

An anonymous reader writes "A spate of broken cables has brought disruption for many of the world's Web users in 2008 — and the Med has been at the center of the problems. For political reasons, the Mediterranean Sea is an Internet bottleneck through which the majority of traffic between Europe and Asia is squeezed. That traffic must run the gauntlet of earthquakes and heavy maritime traffic to reach its destination. Better and stronger cables are urgently needed to avoid a re-occurrence of the 2008 outages."

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  1. Internet Mythology 101 by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why the Mediterranean Is the Net's Achilles' Heel

    Becuase Radia Perlman held the Internet by the Mediterranean when she dipped it into the river Styx?

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    1. Re:Internet Mythology 101 by camperdave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't they teach you kids Greek Mythology anymore?

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    2. Re:Internet Mythology 101 by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw a program about a guy that was actually taken prisoner for stumbling onto a fairly major conspiracy in order to keep him quiet. He had discovered that flu vaccine was being tainted in order to send people into a shopping frenzy just before the holiday season. He was taken to an island with others that had stumbled onto various things that couldn't be allowed to slip into public knowledge (the secret for turning water into gasoline, etc).

      IIRC, he escaped on a boat built by another prisoner (Number 6) that was built out of toilet paper and scabs. It was small and smelly, but carried him to safety.

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    3. Re:Internet Mythology 101 by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't they teach you kids Greek Mythology anymore?

      That was the movie with Brad Pitt in it, right? I saw that and 300...what more do I need to know? :)

    4. Re:Internet Mythology 101 by Molochi · · Score: 4, Funny

      You need to rent Clash of the Titans to complete your education.

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  2. Jeez. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the 90s it was backhoes. Now it's giant cable-eating squid. What next, volcanic eruptions? Really, the problem is two-fold -- first, cables break. Hey, it's several thousand miles long and several thousand feet down, and it's just laying there. Of course it's going to break. You could make the cables out of Unobtainium and they will still wither and break eventually. It's a fact of life. The real problem isn't that they fail, the problem is that the telecommunications companies don't have redundant links because of the expense. So, in summary, the problem is economics. And Cthulu. But you can't stop one of the great old ones, so let's focus on redundant links instead. -_-

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    1. Re:Jeez. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, in summary, the problem is economics. And Cthulu.

      He Who Lies Dead but Dreaming has no part to play in the damage to undersea cables, I have this on good authority. The Telcos are actually agents of Cthulhu (duh! -- you should know this by now if you've ever called telco tech support); the internet is just one of his dreams, which will serve to increase chaos and drive us all to madness.

      Seriously, though, blaming the problem on economics is a copout. Why are costs to lay redundant cables so high? What can be done to convince the telcos that laying redundant cables is a good idea? What can tip the CBA to the B side?
      (br>There are lots of reasons a truly redundant system is prohibitively expense. The cost of negotiating rights-of-way through multiple nations, for example. The increased costs to shipping (external cost to the telcos) from avoiding cable paths (and this is magnified with true redundancy, since redundant cables should not follow the same path). The costs of running and maintaining landlines in politically unstable areas. And, not least of all, the costs in materials, capital, and labor to run redundant lines.

      The way to tip the scale in favor of running redundant lines is to either reduce the cost of doing so, or increase the benefit from doing so. How much money do the telcos lose when a line goes down? Over time, is that more than the cost of running redundant lines?

      So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.

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    2. Re:Jeez. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously, though, blaming the problem on economics is a copout.

      Not all of us type "KeyserSoze 10000" at the console whenever faced with a gold shortage.

      Why are costs to lay redundant cables so high?

      Perhaps designing something that is several thousand miles long, and under several hundred PSI of pressure, to lay at the bottom of an environment that contains sulphuric acid plumbs, volcanic pits, and large numbers of angry monsters, is not easy.

      What can be done to convince the telcos that laying redundant cables is a good idea? What can tip the CBA to the B side?

      Threats of violence, regulation, and regular bombing of the opposition has worked well for us in other areas.

      How much money do the telcos lose when a line goes down? Over time, is that more than the cost of running redundant lines?

      Obviously, it is not more than the cost of running redundant lines or they would have done so by now.

      So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.

      Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...

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    3. Re:Jeez. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.

      Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...

      I'm with you so far, but then what?

  3. heh by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I never had any issues any of the times this happened. I was able to do all the stuff I normally do and visit all the sites I normally visits. This leads me to conclude that the solution is rather simple. The people who are affected by these outages should do something.

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  4. easy fix by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought of something that should be a pretty simple fix. Why don't they just string the wires over the Mediterranean?

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  5. Re:not stronger cables... bigger mines attached ;) by jammindice · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. acquire non-sea europe to asia internet backbone
    2. hire ships to "drop anchor" on internet cables
    3. ???
    4. PROFIT!!!

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  6. optical links by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of cables, which can be broken, they could use optical links.

    Due to the distance and bandwidth needed, powerful lasers would be needed.

    Since vast stretches of open water need to be covered, an aquatic platform would be needed, one that could be repositioned for optimal spacing or to avoid obstacles.

    Unlike other gratuitous mentions, this really is a case were we could use some frikin sharks, with frikin lasers mounted on their heads.

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  7. O Brave Achilles by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia! I know your Internet access hangs rather perilously, but calm yourself! I've written a song about it!

    (somber, drum beat a la "Ballad of the Green Berets")

    O Brave Achilles
    Your packets spill
    Through the Black Sea
    and the Dardanelles

    A hero bold
    So proud and true
    The finest bits
    Traverse his tubes

    But when the Fates
    Judge the big wet
    Will their fell looms
    Cut the Internet?

    (LUTE SOLO)

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    1. Re:O Brave Achilles by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Every song should have a lute solo.

  8. Uncharted by dj015 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Though there is abviously no excuse for the cables that have been there for a while with newer cables you often find that they have been layed straight through what was once an anchorage as they get closer to shore and nobody has "gotten around" to updating any of the charts yet. I had this situation in the Azores a while back when we anchored in what was shown in all charts and publications to be the only anchorage available only to be met on the dock by a not so friendly police man shouting something in Portuguese along the lines of we just laid a load of fiber optic cables through there and your anchor is on top of them... of course we moved immediately into the port which was what we planed to do in the afternoon but when we asked the Harbour Master why there had been no notice to mariners about the new cabled a shrug of the shoulders was the most informative answer we could get.

  9. Re:Gauntlet != Gantlet by Xolotl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually gauntlet is the preferred spelling for both, although the etymology behind the use of gauntlet for punishment is different (the first meaning is from French, the second from Spanish). Gantlet is also correct, although archaic, for both.

    See: gauntlet.

  10. Maybe by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe Cthulhu will quit trashing the lines if we offer to set him up a frame r'lyeh switch back at his pad. You know he's all about pirating the tentacle pr0n.

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  11. Re:Overstated consequences by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fuck 'em.

    That'll teach companies to move their jobs overseas. Those companies(and their overpaid executives) can cry a river to the employees they laid off only to give their jobs to India. Mods: I ask you to think about this before you mod me down, but if you want to waste your points, I don't give a fuck! :) Have a nice day.

  12. Re:Overstated consequences by dwarg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I considered modding you down, but decided to comment instead.

    I understand your sentiment, but what you're ultimately suggesting is that we eliminate access to the internet for any country with a cheap labor pool. This punishes the citizens of those countries more than it does the execs of the major corporations that exploit them.

    This story is about an international communications issue. If you want to talk about labor issues I would say this:

    There are many powerful people trying to make protectionism a dirty word, if we want to fight them we have to be specific in our demands on who deserves Free Trade agreements or gets Preferred Trade Status. Protecting workers rights "over there" means increasing labor costs "over there" and makes them less appealing than local workers when you factor in communications and shipping costs (environmental protections should also figure into that equation). When they can treat their employees humanely, pay them a living wage, stop tainting the local water supply and still afford to send products to our markets cheaper than we can, then they deserve those jobs and we don't.

    The problem is that we've spotted our competitors a huge advantage by not holding them to any of the standards we hold ourselves to. Which means we tied our own hands, or maybe slit our own throats.

  13. Re:Overstated consequences by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand your sentiment, but what you're ultimately suggesting is that we eliminate access to the internet for any country with a cheap labor pool.

    I heard it as a complaint that the CEOs are looking to short-term gains and not counting the very real risk that network connectivity from the US to India may be impaired at some points. If they didn't examine and account for that risk in their calculations, then they are incompetent or liars (or both).

    When they can treat their employees humanely, pay them a living wage, stop tainting the local water supply and still afford to send products to our markets cheaper than we can, then they deserve those jobs and we don't.

    Which is why the US should have tarrifs on a per-country basis related to worker conditions and environmental care. If they "externalize" industry cost by dumping toxins rather than cleaning or storing them, then we should increase the cost here by that amount. They can pay for good practices or we will charge them so that they would be making the same if they did.