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Virus Infection Hits UK's Ministry of Defense, Including Warships

Retrovirus writes with a link to a Register story which says that the UK's "Ministry of Defence confirmed today that it has suffered virus infections which have shut down 'a small number' of MoD systems, most notably including admin networks aboard Royal Navy warships."

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  1. B-5 by Grinfell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somebody sunk their Battleship.

    1. Re:B-5 by Big+Nothing · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm shocked to find that Windows based computers are subject to virus infections! SHOCKED!

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    2. Re:B-5 by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Admin system, not OPS. The ships still run fine, they just lost stuff like crew performance reviews. Quoting TFA: "purposes such as storekeeping, email and similar support functions." That said, the article notes that the loss of email for the crew was a significant blow to morale since that's how most of them kept in touch with their families. Anyone in the military knows how important mail call is.

    3. Re:B-5 by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course - they would be crazy to use Windows for their operational systems, right?

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    4. Re:B-5 by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Navy SysEngr: Well the good news is the ship has been pwned and is sending out spam

      Admiral: That's the 'Good news'? what the hell is the bad news?

      Navy SysEngr: It's being delivered by ICBM...

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  2. Switching to Windows by JohnFluxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wasn't it big news about a year ago that the UK Navy were switching to Windows?

    Yeah, here it is:

    http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08%2F12%2F18%2F006226&from=rss

    Slashdot article from December 18 2008

    1. Re:Switching to Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A year is roughly 29 days long now?

    2. Re:Switching to Windows by pejyel · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And it took hardly a month till they got infected...
      FTA:

      Since 6 Jan 09 the performance of the MOD IT systems in a number of areas was affected by a virus. Immediate action was taken to isolate the problem to stop the virus from spreading. This meant that some people were without regular IT access (i.e. email, internet). There have been no infections detected on any networks with sensitive information.

    3. Re:Switching to Windows by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least this isn't January 2000, or those 29 days would have been a whole millenium.

    4. Re:Switching to Windows by pejyel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually the article you're linking to only refers to the nuclear submarines
      and the article doesn't tell whether this infection affected them as well.

      Still, I hope this gives second thoughts to any people in charge
      who considering to "spare money" by installing Windows on such sensitive systems...

    5. Re:Switching to Windows by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only leap years. The rest are 28 days long.

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    6. Re:Switching to Windows by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Too bad for the UK Defense department. It's just over the 7 day return policy for ordering goods over the internet, so they can't return Windows for a refund.

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    7. Re:Switching to Windows by 2Bits · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, when you are living in a window-less basement^^^ er, I mean, your command center, 29 days seems like a whole year :)

    8. Re:Switching to Windows by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And when that topic came up on slashdot I questioned the wisdom running windows on military hardware for security reasons and was laughed at since people took they view that this is the military, they're not going to network the boxes, they have more sense, it's not like they'd be connected to the net! god no!
      Well now I claim the right of "I told you so!"

    9. Re:Switching to Windows by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe the Norton 30-day trial has expired.

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    10. Re:Switching to Windows by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They mention an e-mail system, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were running Exchange. For some reason, people seem to have trouble realizing that IMAP does basically everything that Exchange does, but with complete compatibility and reduced risk.

    11. Re:Switching to Windows by dominique_cimafranca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I beg to disagree. A search of publicly available documents shows that NavyStar has Windows and DOS components. Fujitsu's ITSEC certification report (No. P230), in particular, shows Windows XP, Windows XPe, and DOS clients. See diagram on page 10.

      Also, the article doesn't say that the servers were hit. Only that the system was based on a server cabinet and cable-networked PCs. As I understand it, NavyStar is a hardware platform of ruggedized PC components.

    12. Re:Switching to Windows by Dark_Gravity · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let me ask you a question: if someone was born on 01.01.0 how old would he/she get at the 01.01.2000?

      There is no such person. There is no year zero.

    13. Re:Switching to Windows by rastilin · · Score: 5, Funny

      On behalf of Slashdot I accept that you were right and that we should have listened to you. Furthermore I bestow upon you the title of "Psyker".

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    14. Re:Switching to Windows by mazarin5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that you Adama?

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  3. Time to switch? by Hunter761 · · Score: 4, Funny

    One more reason to use Linux: "Your country's security depends on it."

  4. What happened to *nix ? by Sapdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised something as crucial as Defence systems are running a version of Windows.

    1. Re:What happened to *nix ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If defense systems weren't running on Windows, how would security personnel inconspicuously play solitaire?

    2. Re:What happened to *nix ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Me too. However its the email system which went down. Sailors are pissed (I live in Portsmouth and there was a bit about it in the local newspaper). Navigation and command systems were not affected as they live on physically separate networks.

    3. Re:What happened to *nix ? by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

      As insider I can confirm system was fully 24/7 reliability certified, even shielded for smooth operation under nuclear attack. But then 1-year-free AVG licence ended.

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    4. Re:What happened to *nix ? by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sailors are pissed

      Aye... with the email down, we're downing the rum!

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  5. Appropriate enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your base are belong to "someone other than yourselves"

    1. Re:Appropriate enough by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 4, Funny
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  6. Schadenfreude by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not currently allowed to do security-cleared work in UK, because I've just spent several years living in that hotbed of communism and espionage, New Zealand. Pity the MoD don't take such a rigorous approach to basic IT competence.

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    1. Re:Schadenfreude by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Agreed. Anyone who happened to work at Redmond for an extended period of time should be denied any IT job in a critical structure.

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  7. pfah by amnezick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course they went to Windows:
    Clicking Torpedo and then the enemy's battleship on a screen is much more efficient than typing
    "attack --weapon torpedo --count 2 --coords 42394799879x3179478912"
    and then waiting for the result in
    "tail -f /var/log/messages"

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    1. Re:pfah by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 5, Funny

      But then why don't they switch to the iPhone?

      Surely touching the torpedo and then touching the enemy's battleship is even easier than clicking? Even a kid can do it.

    2. Re:pfah by MarkRose · · Score: 5, Funny

      It looks like 'attack' uses GNU-style command line switches. Do you know if the source code is available?

      Sincerely,
      Ministry of Defence.

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    3. Re:pfah by value_added · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clicking Torpedo and then the enemy's battleship on a screen is much more efficient than typing
      "attack --weapon torpedo --count 2 --coords 42394799879x3179478912"
      and then waiting for the result in
      "tail -f /var/log/messages"

      More likely it was done using a wizard invoked as Start > Programs > Ministry of Defense > Utilities > Torpedo Enterprise Edition 1.37 > Torpedo Launch. MoD Power Users would, of course, just do Start > Run > TLaunch.EXE to open the graphical window before holding the mouse on the spin box to increment the coordinate numbers to the correct values, and then selecting File > Actions > Torpedo > Launch and clicking "Yes" on the "Are You Sure?" dialog boxes. SuperKeen Techsavy Power Users will shun the above methods and opt for something more Unix-like:

      Windows Powershell
      Copyright (C) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reservered.

      $ C:\Documents and Settings\Midshipman R. Kelly>Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_PingStatus -Filter "Address='42394799879x3179478912'" -SubmarineName '*' | Select-Object -Property Address,ResponseTime,StatusCode
      64 bytes from Russian_Sub: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=109 ms
      64 bytes from Russian_Sub: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=38 ms
      64 bytes from Russian_Sub: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0 ms
      ^C
      $ C:\Documents and Settings\Midshipman R. Kelly>(Get-WmiObject -List -Foes . | Where-Object -FilterScript {$_.Name -eq "Russian_Sub"}).InvokeMethod("Torpedo",("attack","weapon torpedo",2,"42394799879","3179478912"))
      The requested service has not started is not running.
      More help is by typing NET HELPMSG 38000357699.
      $ C:\Documents and Settings\Midshipman R. Kelly>Restart-Service -displayname "Ministry of Defense Torpedo Service"
      Ministry of Defense Torpedo Service is starting.
      $ C:\Documents and Settings\Midshipman R. Kelly>(Get-WmiObject -List -Foes . | Where-Object -FilterScript {$_.Name -eq "Russian_Sub"}).InvokeMethod("Torpedo",("attack","weapon torpedo",2,"42394799879","3179478912"))
      System Error 1058 has occured.
      The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled, it has no enabled devices associated with it, or you lack sufficient administrative rights.
      $ C:\Documents and Settings\Midshipman R. Kelly>get-eventlog application -newest 10 | format-list | more

      Mod +5 Worthy of Tears

  8. obligatory userfriendly link by itsme1234 · · Score: 4, Funny
  9. Re:Virus? in such a critical environment? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exactly. I'm surprise those computers got infected with Windows in the first place. Usually it takes a CD to spread that virus.

  10. ITV news last night... by martin · · Score: 5, Informative

    ITV News was stating it was also effecting 6 RAF admin bases as well and they outbreak has been running since well before Christmas. All of this hear-say as the MOD (rightly IMHO) are keeping alot of this info to themselves.

    Also no signs of how the malware got into the systems, accidently or a deliverate 'attack'.

    given the time to clear up and the large number of systems it's compromised it's a little worrying to the least.

  11. troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    now that everyone knows this account is fake, could you stop using it?

    at least to show some respect to the man who passed away so recently

  12. Brave New World by tcolberg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, it really must be the 21st century. For millennia, when navies had problems with viruses, it was the sailors being a little too loose while on shore leave. Today, the ships are the ones getting infected due to open ports.

  13. If they'd watched BSG they'd have known better by drewish_princess · · Score: 5, Funny

    Admiral Adama never would have let that happen on his ship.

  14. Black Tot Day, 1970 by Kirth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, its blindingly obvious that the Royal Navy is worth zilch and run by nincompoops and incompetents since July 31st 1970, 6 bells of the forenoon watch. That was when the last rum ration was issued.

    So the move to use Microsoft Windows and the subsequent(and consequent) series of disasters associated with such an abysmal piece of software does not strike on as "odd" with the same rear-admirals (which probably carry the word "rear-" in front of their title in order to find their posteriors) who had risen up their ranks without their daily rum ration.

    It should have been clear in 1970 that the Navy which ruled the waves for 200 years wouldn't take something like having their rum taken away lightly; and that most probably their best sailors and officers would turn away in disgust of such a move, leaving only the incompetent and spineless to run and ruin the Navy. And in recent times, leaving a software company from the USA to ruin the Navy. Perhaps they realised the case was hopeless and retired to a half-pay life of binge-drinking; at least they could have their rum on shore, to drown their shame in.

    Such a sad state.

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    1. Re:Black Tot Day, 1970 by u38cg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm looking at this post, five mod points ready to go, and I really have no idea what I should rate this. I've solved the problem by replying instead. Well played, Cap'n.

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  15. Re:if a virus can do that... by Xest · · Score: 4, Funny

    As it was only the admin network effected, then not unless all that's required to start a world war is that someone spoofs an e-mail as such:

    To: Rear Admiral Whoever
    From: Vladmir Putin

    Subject: lol u suck
    im in ur macines stealing ur data

  16. On 2nd thought - make all armies use windows by yossarianuk · · Score: 4, Funny

    If all armies in the world switched to Windows we would have world peace.....