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The Zen of SOA

Alex Roussekov writes "The book "Zen of SOA" by Tom Termini introduces an original view to the challenging world of SOA. He refers to the Zen philosophy as a "therapeutic device" helping SOA practitioners to get rid of prejudices and opinions in order to apply a clear mind-set based on real-life experiences and the application of technology knowledge. Each chapter of the book is prefaced by Zen Truism that the author suggests to "revisit, reflect on it longer, and see if you are able to establish a truth from the narrative, as well as from your own experiences." In fact, the book is about a SOA Blueprint outlining a methodology for building a successful SOA strategy. The target audience is C-level Executives, IT Managers and Enterprise Architects undertaking or intending to undertake adoption of SOA throughout their organizations. I strongly recommend the book to all SOA practitioners involved in implementation of SOA." Read below for the rest of Alexander's review. The Zen of SOA author Tom Termini pages 112 publisher BlueDog Ltd (November 21, 2008) rating 9/10 reviewer Alexander Roussekov ISBN ISBN 978-0-615-24703-8 summary provides a clear methodology to guide SOA implementations

The author's vision is based on extensive experience in the SOA arena and he elegantly leads and prepares the reader for the introduction of his SOA Blueprint approach. I personally enjoyed reflecting on the Zen conundrums which stimulated me to focus and understand the content.

In Chapter 1 the author explains SOA as both Business and Technical Concept and the main challenges it tackles from different stakeholder perspectives. He also emphasizes some misconceptions and technology myths about Web Services and ESB which are key enablers but do not represent a holistic view of SOA.

Chapter 2 elaborates on using the SOA Best Practices as a critical success factor for maximizing an organization's potential and improving performance. The author recommends an Incremental Approach to the SOA Implementation. This is supported by a comprehensive Case Study with the US Federal Trade Commission client.

Chapter 3 gives a technology view of SOA. The author covers a number of SOA technology components, their capabilities and positioning within the SOA technology stack including Portal, ESB, Service Registry/Repository, Business Rules and Enterprise Search Engines.

In Chapter 4 — the concept of "Future-Proof" is defined by the author and his team as "architecting to be highly available, reliable, and easy to manage."
The future-proofing is an inherent quality factor with technological and cultural aspects which need to be achieved throughout the overall SOA Lifecycle. The author suggests that "a pilot, or proof-of-concept, presented in advance of implementation and deployment, can convincingly demonstrate the ability of the architecture to validate the business intent".

Chapter 5 presents the author's rationale for an incremental approach to SOA implementation. The main point is that the contemporary business dynamic creates a myriad of competitive pressures which impose significant risks, whereas an incremental approach shields the business from the SOA implementation demands and helps to accommodate the changes and utilize the benefits.

Chapter 6 "The SOA Blueprint" is the essence of the book. It is a "set of guidelines for the practical business deployment of services using SOA methods in a moderately sized, somewhat complex organization". The author has used the OASIS' reference models for SOA as a foundation framework. The Blueprint is also consistent with well defined and recognized methodologies such as TOGAF and Zachman. For example, the Blueprint artifacts fit well in the taxonomy of the Zachman Architectural Framework and they can be mapped to corresponding activities in the TOGAF ADM.

Chapter 7 provides practical guidance and recommendations related to the context of the SOA Blueprint. The author puts the focus on Standardization, Business Customer Perspective of Services, Risk Mitigation Strategy as well as technical aspects such as Data Integration, Service Orchestration, Security and Metadata.

Finally, Chapter 8 offers a checklist with a number of items required for the customization of the SOA Blueprint. The author provides both item definitions and procedural guidance.

Tom Termini shares deep expertise and knowledge gained by hard work on numerous SOA projects for government and private sector clients. His examples of real business value achieved can be traced in the case studies described in the book. Each case study is related to a particular SOA "koan" and comes with the description of the business context, approach, solution and the business benefits obtained as a result.

The Zen of SOA is a concise, readable and very well illustrated book which provides practical advice, guidance and immediate impetus for development of SOA Implementation Strategy, Vision, Roadmap.

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  1. The Zen of First Post by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are the first post. You can do it.

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    1. Re:The Zen of First Post by zuzulo · · Score: 5, Informative

      SOA means Service Oriented Architecture if anyone other than me loses track of the acronym generation machine occasionally. ;-)

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    2. Re:The Zen of First Post by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmm, a book titled with a buzzword contains more useless buzzwords, jargon, and trite case studies. No wonder why the reviewer states that it's made for C-level officers and other PHB's.

    3. Re:The Zen of First Post by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gosh it would have been nice if someone had defined SOA in the actual posting, and maybe put in a sentence or two on what it's all about. Just throw a bone to those of us not "in the know".

      I'm reminded of a former employee of where I work who used the most esoteric and abbreviated language possible, and then showed utter contempt towards those who asked him to clarify.

    4. Re:The Zen of First Post by The+Moof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My immediate thought of SOA was in the DNS context, shortly followed by confusion.

    5. Re:The Zen of First Post by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I thought it was Start Of Authority.

      State Of the Art
      Sarbanes-Oxley Act
      State Of Alaska (you betcha)
      seksueel overdraagbare aandoening (Dutch: sexually transmitted disease)
      Sega of America

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    6. Re:The Zen of First Post by mkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is also mandatory in DNS records. (look at your zone files in /var/named)
      SOA = Start of Authority
      it's the zone for which your name server is authoritative. It's usually tied to one of your net blocks.

      Service Oriented Architecture is the correct answer here, though.

      All these buzzwords kill me.

    7. Re:The Zen of First Post by lymond01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Silence, you PFY!

    8. Re:The Zen of First Post by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      defined SOA in the actual posting

      Service Oriented Architecture.
      It's a software development design pattern that makes suggestions on how data, logic and responsibilities could be arranged in a distributed system.

      and maybe put in a sentence or two on what it's all about

      The original and stated purpose of such acronyms is to give people a common vocabulary that makes it easier to talk about technology without dropping down to details every time. In reality SOA, like many of its relatives, has been immediately watered down to the point where the actual purpose becomes clear: To sell books, to blend decision makers with fancy tech speak on shiny powerpoint slides and, generally, to sound smart by dropping them randomly in meetings.

      It falls into the same bucket as terms like "SCRUM", "Extreme Programming", "Agile", "Web2.0" etc. in that there is not "one" SOA with one ruleset or recipe to follow. Instead it's a generic tag that everybody and their dog uses to label their latest brainfart about distributed programming.

      These tags serve an important purpose nonetheless; they are strong indicators for meaningless content and clueless people.
      In that role they're real timesavers because whenever you encounter them in the wild you know that it's safe to stop reading/stop listening from that point onwards.

    9. Re:The Zen of First Post by visualight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you're calling a 'kit' I call 'unnecessary layers of abstraction' whether it's an application or yet another layer of management in an organization. From my perspective the number of software developers and executives that think another layer of abstraction is just the ticket has been growing exponentially for about a decade.

      I blame books like this, and I blame java.

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    10. Re:The Zen of First Post by spazdor · · Score: 3, Informative

      SOA
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Jump to: navigation, search

      Soa or SOA can stand for:

              * Safe operating area, conditions for a semiconductor to work reliably
              * Service-Oriented Architecture, programming paradigm that separates functions into distinct units, or services which developers make accessible over a network in order that users can combine and reuse them in the production of business applications
              * Secondary Organic Aerosol, a kind of atmospheric aerosols formed from reactions of organic compounds with oxidants.
              * Semiconductor optical amplifier, an optical amplifier which use a semiconductor to provide the gain medium
              * State of the art, the highest level of development
              * Stimulus Onset Asynchrony, the time interval between the onset of a first stimulus and the onset of a second stimulus
              * Super Output Area, a geographical unit in the United Kingdom used mainly for statistical analysis

      [edit] Society and Institutes

              * School of the Americas, a US Army training facility subsequently officially known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation
              * School of the Arts, a common name for fine arts schools
              * Society of Ancients, an international society based in the UK

      [edit] in Information Technology

              * Search oriented architecture, the use of search engine technology as the main integration component in an information system
              * Service-oriented architecture, a computer systems architectural style for creating and using business processes, packaged as services
              * Start of Authority, a record type in the Domain Name System

      [edit] in accounting and business

              * Sarbanes-Oxley Act, officially titled the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002
              * Society of Actuaries, one of the two main professional societies of actuaries in the United States
              * Statement of Affairs, an enumeration of financial situation prepared typically by a company or individual considering insolvency or bankruptcy

      [edit] in entertainment

              * Sons of Anarchy, a 2008 American television program
              * The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar, a MMORPG set in Tolkien's Middle-earth.
              * Siege of Avalon, a 2000 computer role-playing game
              * Skies of Arcadia, a console game for the Sega Dreamcast and Nintendo Gamecube
              * Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, a 2000 computer role-playing game
              * Soldiers of Allah, an Islamic rap group
              * State of Alert, a hardcore punk group
              * Sons of Azrael, a death metal group

              This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.

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  2. SOA stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Scientologists of America.

    1. Re:SOA stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Scientologists of America.

      AKA Self Obsessed Assholes

  3. SOA by sl0ppy · · Score: 5, Informative

    SOA = Service Oriented Architecture, and is one of the big crazes in the tech world right now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture

    because the article didn't seem to help with that.

    1. Re:SOA by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In computing, service-oriented architecture (SOA) provides methods for systems development and integration where systems group functionality around business processes and package these as interoperable services. SOA also describes IT infrastructure which allows different applications to exchange data with one another as they participate in business processes. Service-orientation aims at a loose coupling of services with operating systems, programming languages and other technologies which underlie applications.[1] SOA separates functions into distinct units, or services[2], which developers make accessible over a network in order that users can combine and reuse them in the production of business applications.[3] These services communicate with each other by passing data from one service to another, or by coordinating an activity between two or more services. Many commentators[who?] see SOA concepts as built upon and evolving from older concepts of distributed computing[3][2] and modular programming.

      So it's a network with clients and servers on it?

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    2. Re:SOA by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a way to write procedural applications using Object Oriented languages, while still fooling yourself into thinking your system is Object Oriented.

      Cue the flames from the zealots.

    3. Re:SOA by Brandybuck · · Score: 2

      Still not understanding the "republicans" tag attached to this article. Is there another architecture that's better suited to democrats? What should libertarians and greens use?

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    4. Re:SOA by vanyel · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was wondering why there was a whole book on the Start Of Authority DNS record...

    5. Re:SOA by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Informative

      Still not understanding the "republicans" tag attached to this article. Is there another architecture that's better suited to democrats? What should libertarians and greens use?

      I think people are just randomly tagging articles "democrats" or "republicans". Not sure that there is any rhyme or reason to which tag ends up on which article, other than just whichever tag was applied by more people.

      Wait a few more minutes and the tag will go away as it gets replaced by ones that actually mean something for the article.

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    6. Re:SOA by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. It's a loose coupling of different applications and such into services, and then coupling those services with business logic to produce a new application. Think middleware.

    7. Re:SOA by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, so it's a way to sell more machines to run more infrastructure software (also sold) which companies think will increase their scalability, which they don't really need because most of them are never going to have the amount of business that would force them to scale, where simple client-server software would suffice while they're going down the tubes.

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    8. Re:SOA by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It certainly does. It forces you to use procedural programming, and tricks people into thinking they aren't because the service boundaries are sometimes separated by a network and cross platforms; thus "justifying" the lack of OO.

      Services provide and operate on data. The data itself is exchanged independent from the code/information needed to manipulate the data. This is exactly analogous to linking in a library to pass your data structures to. As opposed to the object oriented paradigm where the definition of operations are encapsulated with the data.

      Service oriented architectures violate the very definition of Object Oriented design, and provide a convenient way to write procedural applications in Object Oriented languages. All while tricking the OO zealots into thinking they're still using OO.

    9. Re:SOA by t'mbert · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, so it's a way to sell more machines to run more infrastructure software (also sold) which companies think will increase their scalability, which they don't really need because most of them are never going to have the amount of business that would force them to scale, where simple client-server software would suffice while they're going down the tubes.

      Guess you've never been to the other side of that. The other side of that is a set of applications that are good enough to win your company the business, but that don't work together at all.

      You can say "you should have thought about that in the first place, good design would have cleared that up" but good, thorough design that attempts to make everything work together flawlessly results in long development cycles and lost business.

      Our company won, we built the best products and got the market share, and now we've got a set of applications that our customers expect and want to work together, and we are struggling to deliver it.

      SOA is one way we can help with this problem. We can add SOA interfaces to each application, and start constructing the one integrated product our customers want, in an orderly way, quickly, without re-writing all our apps, and piecemeal. We can add SOA interfaces to each application's back end, one at a time, prove it works, and then work on meta-applications to combine the results.

      We built much of the software to handle this ourselves. There are OSS options for most pieces of this architecture if we wanted to use an ESB engine (check out Mule for example), and with our VM environment we should not need significant investment in infrastructure. We just need time to build it, and hence corporate wherewithal.

      SOA (and ESB and the like) in-and-of themselves will not provide a solution to enterprise integration, any more than the EAI engines of 10 years ago, but at least they provide a common technology to build around so that other developers can tap into the functionality of our applications.

  4. First Lesson in writing a Review by smallfries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there is an acronym that you are going to use throughout your review, and it will be senseless without THEN DEFINE IT SOMEWHERE AT THE TOP!

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  5. Single provider and SOA? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One question that recently cropped up is whether SOA makes any sense if you are only connecting with a single data provider? The idea being that the architectural and maintenance costs don't make sense in this scenario since there is just too much over heard. Once you have a requirement connecting to multiple data providers then the effort pays out. Just curious to hear what /.ers have to say.

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    1. Re:Single provider and SOA? by idontgno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One question that recently cropped up is whether SOA makes any sense if you are only connecting with a single data provider?

      You have a single data provider now. Will you rewrite the program from scratch when you add another? Will you "rework" it to accommodate the second? Or will you man up and design the thing from scratch as extensible and reusable?

      This is the same architectural argument that's cropped up in the discipline since assembler v. compiler.

      Hell, farther back than that. Eli Whitney's great innovation, not always recalled, was interchangeable components in firearms. Before that, every weapon was crafted from muzzle to buttplate as one unique system. But try to find an off-the-shelf replacement for the frizzen. Sorry, no can do.

      But Whitney's flintlocks? Drop a big pile of mixed components on the table. I guarantee that as long as there's one of each part in the pile, you will be able to assemble a working rifle. Need a carbine? We'll make up a shorter barrel which is still compatible with the receiver and the stock. Converting to percussion cap? No problem, the entire lock mechanism is an engineered replaceable unit.

      That's what SOA aims at: interchangeable components in systems. You're not crafting one big program, or complex of programs, from end-to-end, making it up as you go. You're building uniformly-structured and interchangeable components, and assembling them.

      Yeah, it's cheaper to build stovepipe. It's just more expensive to use, maintain, and replace.

      The folks who argue against these enterprise architecture innovations are the gunsmiths late 18th Century: each thing they turn out is a work of mastercraft, unique and tightly coupled, but entirely constrained by the human limitations on their ability, vision, and skill. But a rifle buyer isn't buying a work of art; he is buying a functional artifact, and if it can be engineered to function better (or differently, if the need arises) by no longer treating gunsmithy as a craft and more as an engineering discipline, so much the better. The artiste gunsmith may be offended. But too bad.

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    2. Re:Single provider and SOA? by hypnotik · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's what SOA aims at: interchangeable components in systems. You're not crafting one big program, or complex of programs, from end-to-end, making it up as you go. You're building uniformly-structured and interchangeable components, and assembling them.

      You mean... like Unix?

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    3. Re:Single provider and SOA? by rapiddescent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      say your sole data provider is credit card payment system, or a database or whatever. The key is that if you wrap a data service round that source - and you map out business services such as:

      • authorise Payment
      • Validate PIN Number
      • Process Settlement
      • Process Transaction Reversal

      Then if you get fed up with the provider of the credit card system then you have the chance to change suppliers without regression testing or rewriting any of the clients. Of course, it also works the other way around. Because you have a tightly defined *business* interface then you can add clients without having to regression test all the others and the backend system.

      Clearly, you get the biggest benefit if you are a large organisation - the org I work at has 12m customers and 3500 staff with a history of many expensive silo'ed systems - so the systems are complex and varied. We have an SOA culture thats trangressed the crappy buzzwords and sales crap from IBM et al. Anyone who knows their stuff about enterprise IT should be doing this already.

  6. Eh Sonny? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is the weird fascination with "eastern" stuff among upper middle management? Virtually everything seems to have had a "zen" book written about it(because the "Zen of joining the rat race and being a driven type-A" is just so Zen.) and let's not even think about the number of besuited shmucks who think that reading a bunch of translated aphorisms about medieval Chinese warfar will make them a beast in the boardroom...

    They're like Otaku with 401Ks.

    1. Re:Eh Sonny? by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
      What is the weird fascination with "eastern" stuff among upper middle management?

      They began in management when the Japanese corporation seemed to be getting everything right.

    2. Re:Eh Sonny? by Itninja · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, you don't think they sell "The Evangelical Christianity of Hentai" books in China? I think the naming convention of "The [sacred belief of another culture] of [something common in your culture]" isn't used enough IMO.

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  7. Re:SOA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A simple "No" would've sufficed.

  8. 32 dollars for 112 pages double spaced by linzeal · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is this crap and why should I care? I have more books than I can possibly read in a lifetime and I would wager 90% of them have more meat on their bones than this book. This reminds me of the 90's schlocksellers like the Tao of Pooh and Physics which ruined the topics of both pooh and physics for years to come. Pastafarianism of Perl, now that is a book I would read.

    By the way remember this

    Circa 1999

    You:
      Oh, did you read they discovered the top quark at Fermilab?

    Random Girl in bar:
      No, what is a quark?

    You:
      {QED QCD explanations in a bar at 1 am. You know in your undergrad heart of hearts this is what women want to hear}

    Random Girl in bar:
      Sounds like Taoism to me. Have you read the Tao of Physics, it is a great book. It tells about how the Chinese knew about all that stuff thousands of years ago.

    You:
      What? No they didn't, the standard model of physics is not something that can be partitioned up into dualities for the purposes of serving some crackpot theory.

    30 minutes later at home alone waiting for your dial up modem to get online so you can troll for porn on your isp's NNTP servers. Remember when ISP's had their own NNTP servers?

           

  9. Re:SOA? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    So it's a buzzword based on more buzzwords. We're at buzzwords 2.0 now.

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  10. SOA? Ah.. Unix philosophy. Whats old is new again by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was reading the SOA wiki page wonder what the hell they were blabbering about. Then I got it.

    It's the old Unix ideal of having many small tools each doing a small job well, and being able to easily tie those tools together into chains (or dare I say pipes) to achieve results.

    Except now instead of it being simple, there are committees, XML schemas, and trade shows. This will help it's success by allowing high priced consultants to participate.

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  11. great, more buzzword books! by nimbius · · Score: 2, Informative

    ive noticed when i preface my technical explanation with the words 'service oriented architecture' i am immediately rewarded with funding approval.

    the only zen in this is that neither of us understands entirely why this works.

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  12. Not a review, more of a brief summary by bwalling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You didn't tell me anything I couldn't skim in a bookstore. You've summarized each chapter into two sentences and said you recommend the book. Spend a little more time providing a critical evaluation - it would be helpful in getting people to decide whether to read the book.

  13. Re:SOA? by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's a silver bullet!

    it's awesome!

    it's a great way to sell more hardware and app server licenses!

    it's fantastic when you're a consultant because you can stretch out the billing time like you wouldn't believe!

  14. Zen of SOA / Art Of War by Digital+Mage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't see a section devoted to governance of SOA because without a strong IT Department your "Zen of SOA" will quickly become the "Art of Interdepartment War" as each division of the company will try to control or influence the service if they they have to connect to it. A strong IT Department can push back on the other departments for the greater good of the company and force departments with rogue apps to eventually use the services.

  15. Re:SOA also stands for by FiloEleven · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The present addiction to using initials instead of names and to giving institutions long titles that yield a pseudoword acronym is the childish-absurd."
      - Jacques Barzun

    We have created a Society of Acronyms, and are much the poorer for it.

  16. slapping Zen by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 5, Funny

    what's with this slapping zen on everything? What would the koan be : What is the spec before the meeting?

    The real zen would be :
      write simple, small things until the form is the function.
      test in reality and in imagination, until both are one.
      the SOA is the illusion. There is no SOA.

  17. "Service Oriented Architecture" by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nope, I still don't know what it is.

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  18. REST Please! by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone who thought SOA would be a good thing (meaning SOAP and XML) I can say without a doubt it sucks.

    I am working on IHE (Integrating the Healthcare Enterprise) (Electronic medical records sharing) and I hate it. We are constantly dealing with the same stupid problems time and time again: XML mismatches.

    Please, anyone developing for the cloud or SOA use REST aka WOA (Web oriented architecture).

    The difference is simple: Rather than use SOAP for everything, you match it to the usual HTTP paradigms (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE, with sensible URLs and HTTP headers).

    The elimination of XML eliminates so many issues you will not believe. The best that I can tell is XML is a document, this document can be versioned, while HTTP is a protocol. You therefore eliminate a layer that has to be maintained.

    For instance, the PirateBay uses REST-like inerface:
    GET http://thepiratebay/browse/603 gives you the

    whereas with SOAP you'd need to agree on a transaction name, XML schema, paramters. Then someone will decide that you need to support base64 encoded file uploads and downloads, so that'll have to go in the schema too. With REST you just use the standard HTTP headers...

    Friends don't let friends develop SOAP.

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    1. Re:REST Please! by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 2, Informative

      No offense, but it does not sound like you have SOA - it sounds like like you just use webservices. Your ESB should translate your messages - if you are doing point to point webservice calls, then your architect has seriously made a mistake. REST vs SOAP has almost nothing to do with SOA other than WS are a commonly used technical implementation in SOA. WS, REST, SOAP are NOT synonymous with SOA. ALso, I'm not sure that getting rid of XML solves anything - now each webservice has it's own interface or data structure. This is something that would be common in a point to point webservice call, but using an ESB, you should be using a normalized message (whether it is XML or something else is immaterial).

    2. Re:REST Please! by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Funny

      You make some good points. However, even though I my not provide the best talking points, I am not the only one to think so

      The SOA is a business-focus driven paradigm. It is the space of top-down development. WOA comes in from the other angle and is resource based. The clear winner here is WOA, because it allows you to combine the resources in new and unexpected ways. This is where innovation lies. SOA, being top-down is more about governing structure, so by definition you'll be more limited. I'm not saying you can't innovate, but it certainly would not be as easy.

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  19. All this time I though... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... that SOA stood for Start Of Authority - as in the BIND name server configuration which inidcate that the config file is for a particular 'zone' (analogous to a domain name)

    How disappointing to discover it something as loame as 'Service Oriented Architecture'. Tell me, do any of you have an architecture that is not 'Service Oriented', and if so, how do you use it, if your architecture isn't designed to accommodate/enable 'services' (i.e. functionality), what is its purpose.

  20. Re:Truly impressive! by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A monk once asked the Great Master Xideng of Xiangyan zi, "What is SOA?"

    The master said, "The dragon song in the dried tree."

    The monk said, "I don't understand."

    The master said, "The eyeball in the skull."

    The monk said, "I still don't understand."

    The master said, "Yeah, me neither, I think its some crap they feed people who make too much money for doing too little thinking."

    The monk was enlightened.

  21. Othe recommended books by ErkDemon · · Score: 5, Funny
    Hey, this is fun!

    :)

    • "What would Jesus sell?"
    • "The Jihadi of Direct Sales Marketing"
    • "The Sinai Law: The Ten Commandments of Business Strategy"
    • "Cheops' Law: Building the People Pyramid"
    • "The Magic Circle: How Personal Networking can Work For You!"
    • "The Personnel Manager's Zodiac: The 12 basic employee archetypes, and how to deal with them."
    • "The Feng Shui of Downsizing"
      (sample wisdom: study the office floorplan carefully. Identify the employees who sit in the corners of the room. Sack them first).

    Damn, that's six potential business best-sellers straight away!

  22. What about PTK? NGE?? by monkeySauce · · Score: 2, Funny

    I like what I've read so far, but you really can't have an intelligent discussion about SOA without getting into PTK, at which point you'd be completely negligent not to address NGE as well. The "Zen" focus of this book makes it ideal even to tie in PTK, because of the elegance and simplicity with which they relate to SOA. NGE clearly makes the application of PTK as it relates to SOA, an extremely valuable yet simple vector of the overall SOA realm. Despite the relative newness of NGE I think I can go out on a limb and say that SOA would not be where it is today if it weren't for the fusion of energies between PTK and NGE having propelled it there.

  23. Re:As someone with an MBA and degree in CS.. by JumpDrive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For someone with an MBA, you should read the requirements for
    ISO
    "quality"
    six-sigma
    Total Quality Management

    If you read through these, you will see tools and information on how to manage more effectively.

    And if you don't see it, you should either get more experience or get your money back from Pheonix
    No, I am not a Quality Manager. My experience has been in Manufacturing, Engineering, Research and Development, and IT Management.