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China Makes Arrests To Stop Internet Porn

thefickler writes "The Chinese Government is expanding a crackdown on Internet pornography. Xinhua news agency, which is owned by the government and can safely be used for reporting in China, says the campaign to scrub the country's Internet of 'vulgar' content has so far resulted in 29 criminal cases. Police have ordered the removal of 46,000 pornographic and other 'harmful' items from websites. The latest crackdown comes after official warnings of rising social unrest as the economy slows. It's no coincidence that this year is the twentieth anniversary of Tiananmen Square, or, to use the acceptable nomenclature, 'the June 4th incident.'"

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  1. What for? by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, I understand why they would want to choke civil unrest by censoring dissidents online, but porn? How's that helping them?

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    1. Re:What for? by patro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably the keyword is: control. They can't leave something in the hands of people (no pun :) over which they don't have control.

      Loosing control in one area of society (namely sex) leaves the door open for loosening up in other areas.

      That's why dictators try to control everything.

    2. Re:What for? by HadouKen24 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, yes, Idiocracy. You make a compelling argument.

      Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.

      And I know that because a movie told me so.

    3. Re:What for? by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.
       

      In either case, the whole point of the movie is that evolution favours those that breed the most.

      So by your definition you eventually wind up with a population full of poor people with badly educated women and no social expectations. Similar net result, different cause.

    4. Re:What for? by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I think the main problem is that people assume the way to decrease a population boom is to keep teens from from . This doesn't work. Because teens want to have sex. And they will. They always have and they always will. Instead of preventing them from being near members of the opposite sex and then expecting them to understand and live properly with them a la homeschooling, or the good ol' method of an angry health teacher telling them that if they have sex even ONCE before marriage they'll get pregnant with the AIDS, or the timeless "Almighty God, in his infinite mercy, will painfully smite your ass for eternity if you so much even LOOK at a pair of breasts, you horrific sinner (P.S. He loves you, though)" we might consider, I don't know, telling teens "You really shouldn't go wild with sex, but if you do have it, at least be safe."

      It's crazy, I know, but I just think it might work.

  2. Prejudice abounds in the summary by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

    You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

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    1. Re:Prejudice abounds in the summary by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

      You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

      Well, since there are so many important Chinese anniversaries this year, how come the author picked Tian'anmen? Why not the ban of Falun Gong (10th anniversary)? Why not the declaration of The People's Republic (70th anniversary)? Or May 4th Movement (90th anniversary)?

      I'm sure there are some more, but I can't think of them off-hand.

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  3. Re:numbers by philspear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I don't understand is that if there are so many damn people in China why they don't just overthrow their government... it wouldn't be difficult.

    Well, a lot of chinese people happen to like the chinese government and approve of what's going on, at least enough to put up with it. I'm sure a lot of people around the world were probably wondering why Americans didn't overthrow Bush. I personally hated the guy from before day one, but I wouldn't want to overthrow the government even if we were facing 8 more years of Bush. Probably similar in China, they don't agree with everything, but the government does reflect a lot of their values, an overthrow would be damaging, and they don't see a lot of other people willing to rise up.

    It's not like the government holds on to power entirely by force, in other words.

  4. Re:Xinhua news agency by dnwq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Safe for use by second and third parties to redistribute published news, in that if you republish or distribute a Xinhua article in the PRC, you probably won't get arrested, because the article's already been vetted. It doesn't mean "safe to take for granted, without scepticism".

    Countries that censor news often don't explicitly define what is acceptable, and the standards can change often, hence why internal political commentators need to rely on such gauges to see what the current acceptable topics are.

  5. Re:Why? by Plutonite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies. Nobody, however, has ever been able to 'enforce' these things, which is what the Chinese don't get. If you are in a Free(TM) country, consider yourself lucky.

  6. Re:Why? by HadouKen24 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not buying it, chief. Read a comedy by Aristophanes and tell me that the Athenian Greeks were much into "modesty and sexual conservatism." Read the poems of Martial, Juvenal, and Catullus, and look at the architecture and decorations preserved at Pompeii, and tell me that the Romans were.

    Some of the ancient and beautiful temples in India happen to have bas-reliefs depicting bestiality. Illustrated sex manuals were a popular form of literature at one point in China's history. Japan has had tentacle porn since at least the 18th century.

    Sure, every culture has its sexual mores. But that's not exactly the same thing.

  7. Re:numbers by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Chinese government has managed to rocket China from an impoverished post-WWII and post civil-war famine-plagued disaster into the modern China of today in under sixty years.

    That's absolutely amazing.
    To expect our idea of freedom and democracy to work in China is to ignore its situation and culture. The US and Europe haven't had serious famines in living memory. China has.
    Order and prosperity are more important than freedom.

    People don't generally revolt because they aren't free, they revolt because freedom is seen as the path to prosperity they do not have.

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  8. Re:numbers by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was a lot of American students that were pushing the Chinese students to fight the government.

    No, it was not. That is a little conspiracy theory that the most patriotic of Chinese will peddle as a catalyst for the Tiananmen Square protests. Blame the Americans rather than their own people. It has no basis in fact.

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  9. Re:An IT analogy by hackingbear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Talking about problems will get you fired, beaten up, locked up or even killed.

    I had lived in China for years and managed a group of software developers. While I agree that they are less inclined to point out problem. That's more like a cultural / educational thing. (Even if I put up awards for filing bugs, they rarely did.) But "Talking problem ... get you ... killed." I found that exaggerated too much. I've yet to read of anyone get killed speaking out problems in a *factory*. Did you actually know of an example? Or you just make it up?

    And outside of works, Chinese make a lot of complains from the cost of healthcare to the lack of ... democracy ... (though they don't really demand it desparately.) There are plenty of criticism against the government in the Internet too, just ask the 91589 people complaining about the lack of train tickets in one website.

    You are either not living in China or you have a wrong perception of what happen around you.