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China Makes Arrests To Stop Internet Porn

thefickler writes "The Chinese Government is expanding a crackdown on Internet pornography. Xinhua news agency, which is owned by the government and can safely be used for reporting in China, says the campaign to scrub the country's Internet of 'vulgar' content has so far resulted in 29 criminal cases. Police have ordered the removal of 46,000 pornographic and other 'harmful' items from websites. The latest crackdown comes after official warnings of rising social unrest as the economy slows. It's no coincidence that this year is the twentieth anniversary of Tiananmen Square, or, to use the acceptable nomenclature, 'the June 4th incident.'"

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  1. What for? by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, I understand why they would want to choke civil unrest by censoring dissidents online, but porn? How's that helping them?

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    1. Re:What for? by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Considering their overpopulation problem do they really want to discourage wanking? This seems very counter-productive to me.

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    2. Re:What for? by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Chinese porn stars have a habit of yelling out antigovernment slogans as they finish. Sounds weird to us, but consider some of the foul words they use in American porn, it's not that strange.

    3. Re:What for? by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed. What the Chinese government really needs to give to its people is porn, addictive dumb reality TV shows, food and booze. You feel less angry after a good wanking, you'll forget why you were angry in the first place when you'll cross your fingers for Wang Wang to be the next Chinese Idol, a full stomach and some booze will finish knocking you out.

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    4. Re:What for? by patro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably the keyword is: control. They can't leave something in the hands of people (no pun :) over which they don't have control.

      Loosing control in one area of society (namely sex) leaves the door open for loosening up in other areas.

      That's why dictators try to control everything.

    5. Re:What for? by WGFCrafty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Go watch idiocracy.

      Making people stupider does not help population size.

    6. Re:What for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They can't leave something in the hands of people (no pun :) over which they don't have control.

      well, they could at least have the common courtesy to give them a reach-around then...

    7. Re:What for? by HadouKen24 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, yes, Idiocracy. You make a compelling argument.

      Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.

      And I know that because a movie told me so.

    8. Re:What for? by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.
       

      In either case, the whole point of the movie is that evolution favours those that breed the most.

      So by your definition you eventually wind up with a population full of poor people with badly educated women and no social expectations. Similar net result, different cause.

    9. Re:What for? by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What the Chinese government really needs to give to its people is porn, addictive dumb reality TV shows, food and booze.

      You've never watched CCTV have you? They run 18 channels of pure shit 24/7. Soap operas, inane stock-character comedies that just drag on for hours (which I admit might be funnier if I were a native speaker) and news that tells you the exact same trivial things three times an hour. On other channels there are some form of reality shows and all the mind numbing goodness you'd expect in the west.

      Food is a huge part of China, Sure, the rural poor may be living off bowls of congee but if anything the urban middle class generally eat far more lavishly than those of western countries with both dishes, more exotic ingredients, more complex preparation and larger portions (even KFC's menu is roughly double its normal size).

      As for booze, everyone should try Tsing Tao or Harbin beer when over there. It just costs a few RMB, comes in massive bottles and due to its sparse flavor you can keep drinking it and drinking it and be thoroughly drunk well before your mouth feels like you've been drinking beer. If you ordering, make sure you pronounce "Tsing Tao" as "Tchingdao" and emphasize the "r" in Harbin or they won't know what you are asking for.

      Anyway, I'm not going to do any further analysis here, apart from mentioning that the Chinese government is not stupid in these matters and has probably realised the exact same thing as you and most western governments have.

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    10. Re:What for? by HadouKen24 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is, in fact, the situation we're in today, and it's only getting worse. The birthrate is highest in countries like Pakistan and India, especially. (I was referring, by the by, to social expectations that people have large families, if possible.) The biggest problem for everyone, though, isn't the risk of a world dominated by poor people who mistreat their women, but a world in which overpopulation leads to serious negative environmental impacts and a population crash.

      Fortunately, the impact of poverty, education, and social norms on population growth can be mitigated. And of those three, the one with the biggest impact--education for women--is the easiest to deal with. There's a tremendous drop in the birth rate with available birth control and only a primary school education for women.

    11. Re:What for? by aeroswift · · Score: 2, Informative
      Reputation, I suppose. After the whole Muzimei fiasco, I frankly am not surprised.

      But I don't think it's going to work. China's had a pornography problem ever since it's had the internet. If you've ever visited Chinese websites (I'm Chinese so I know), even the mainstream news websites are plastered with 18+ advertisements. Needless to say, it's a bit late to start fixing the problem, eh?

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    12. Re:What for? by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps the Chinese have suddenly turned Christian. It certainly sounds like something Pat Robertson or other fundamentalists would say:

      "the campaign to scrub the country's Internet of 'vulgar' content"

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    13. Re:What for? by TaoTehChing · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You basically quoted an ancient Chinese proverb:

      "Therefor in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wills but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act."

      From the Tao Teh Ching (III)
    14. Re:What for? by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I think the main problem is that people assume the way to decrease a population boom is to keep teens from from . This doesn't work. Because teens want to have sex. And they will. They always have and they always will. Instead of preventing them from being near members of the opposite sex and then expecting them to understand and live properly with them a la homeschooling, or the good ol' method of an angry health teacher telling them that if they have sex even ONCE before marriage they'll get pregnant with the AIDS, or the timeless "Almighty God, in his infinite mercy, will painfully smite your ass for eternity if you so much even LOOK at a pair of breasts, you horrific sinner (P.S. He loves you, though)" we might consider, I don't know, telling teens "You really shouldn't go wild with sex, but if you do have it, at least be safe."

      It's crazy, I know, but I just think it might work.

    15. Re:What for? by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK, I understand why they would want to choke civil unrest by censoring dissidents online, but porn? How's that helping them?

      During the USSR days, it was customary for Mr. Putin's agency to declare political dissenters as common criminals to soften the West's attempts to free them.

      Your asking the question and its high moderation both explain, why the tactics worked. Unable to perceive the actual levels of evil of the Communist regimes, Western "liberals" (who seriously think, G.W. Bush is vilest creature ever to rule a country) fall for their lies:

      • Release all political prisoners!
      • Oh, no, we don't have any.
      • What about so-and-so? We demand, he be released at once!
      • Oh, but so-and-so attempted to rape a young athlete last year and must serve his sentence.
      • Really? Ah, ok, then, sorry to bother you...

      Similarly:

      • Your shutting down of such-and-such.cn is an intolerable violation of the principle of Free Speech!
      • Come, come, even your country would not tolerate the pornographic content we've found posted on their servers.
      • Oh, really? Never mind then, sorry to bother you...
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    16. Re:What for? by ljgshkg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your quote skipped the first part of the paragraph, which affects the interpetation of the meaning.

      The words before your quote is:
      Not to value/employ men with superior ability keeps people from rivalry; not to prize articles which are difficult to procure keeps people from becoming thieves; not to show people what is likely to excite their desires keeps their minds from disorder.

      The real meaning of Lao Zi's quote (the quote in the above post) actually centred to two things: 1) Fulfill their physical need/keep them strong. 2) Decrease people's desire.

      Lao Zi himself is a history scholar who is very wise, knowledgable, and good in ethic that Kong Zi (the "founder" of Confucius) describe him as "dragon" (an animal that reaches the "god" level).

      The writing does say "keeps them innocent of knowledge" etc. literally. But reading Chinese writing, you can never take it word by word. You need to get the "atmosphere" or "real meaning" of the writing.

      Various times in history, Chinese did try to implement his ideas into ruling system. Those times results into the strongest time of China. And it's not really about not letting people know, but about "controlling desire" (that's part of Chinese culture) and "let nature fix things naturally by not imposing unneccessary laws and controls".

      What mainland government doing is not really associated to what Tao Teh Ching says. They fails to clean up desires amoung government officals (probably not including the very top ones). Then they can't possibily clean up the desire amoung the people, except the scholars who care (not talking about those university people, but scholars, if you know what I mean).

    17. Re:What for? by Peeteriz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, population crash is one (though unpleasant) way of solving the overpopulation problem. If people are too fussy to consider population control now, then after a generation or two of starvation and resource wars all the currently politically unacceptable population control methods will seem quite ok.

  2. Prejudice abounds in the summary by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

    You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

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    1. Re:Prejudice abounds in the summary by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!"

      Perhaps internet porn is devaluing their pin up calendar?

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    2. Re:Prejudice abounds in the summary by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

      You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

      Well, since there are so many important Chinese anniversaries this year, how come the author picked Tian'anmen? Why not the ban of Falun Gong (10th anniversary)? Why not the declaration of The People's Republic (70th anniversary)? Or May 4th Movement (90th anniversary)?

      I'm sure there are some more, but I can't think of them off-hand.

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  3. Re:100 Million Horny Men by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine if they did that in our countries? You would feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Slashdotters cried out in anger and considered stepping outside of their home to do something about it.

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  4. arrests not necessarily due to porno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Whoever made the summary ever RTFA?

    "28 suspects arrested in the campaign included 4 men in their twenties who ran the Midnight Prostitute Call website from eastern China. They also included two men accused of using a video chat service to defraud customers."

  5. Re:numbers by philspear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I don't understand is that if there are so many damn people in China why they don't just overthrow their government... it wouldn't be difficult.

    Well, a lot of chinese people happen to like the chinese government and approve of what's going on, at least enough to put up with it. I'm sure a lot of people around the world were probably wondering why Americans didn't overthrow Bush. I personally hated the guy from before day one, but I wouldn't want to overthrow the government even if we were facing 8 more years of Bush. Probably similar in China, they don't agree with everything, but the government does reflect a lot of their values, an overthrow would be damaging, and they don't see a lot of other people willing to rise up.

    It's not like the government holds on to power entirely by force, in other words.

  6. Re:Xinhua news agency by dnwq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Safe for use by second and third parties to redistribute published news, in that if you republish or distribute a Xinhua article in the PRC, you probably won't get arrested, because the article's already been vetted. It doesn't mean "safe to take for granted, without scepticism".

    Countries that censor news often don't explicitly define what is acceptable, and the standards can change often, hence why internal political commentators need to rely on such gauges to see what the current acceptable topics are.

  7. Re:Why? by Plutonite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies. Nobody, however, has ever been able to 'enforce' these things, which is what the Chinese don't get. If you are in a Free(TM) country, consider yourself lucky.

  8. Re:You wanna see civil unrest... by auric_dude · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Devil finds work for idle hands.

  9. Re:Why? by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Masturbation *is* sexual conservatism. It doesn't take a billion Chinese to figure this out.

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  10. Re:Why? by lukas84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies.

    Well, i don't know what you classify as "sexual conservatism", but i sure don't think that we have that now - neither in the US nor here in Europe.

    Porn is everywhere and completely legal, prostitution is legal in most places in Europe and some places in the US.

    12 year olds that want to dress up as whores as the idols on TV also dress like that isn't my idea of "sexual conservatism".

    However, sex is often a somewhat "taboo" topic, which leads to problems like teenage pregnancies, transmission of STDs, etc.

  11. political porn ... mmm a new subtree by cheekyboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Id like to see that in a porn film, the girl yelling out, "freedom to all, death to taxes, no riaa, get rid of older 50yos in govt!!!, release all aliens info"

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  12. Re:political porn ... mmm a new subtree by RichardJenkins · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they do. I've never watched a porn film through to the end.

  13. Re:numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    a lot of chinese people happen to like the chinese government and approve of what's going on

    Quite right. This is anecdotal, but the Chinese people I've spoken with about this simply do not see the problems that I try to ask them about. They largely agree with what the Chinese government is doing. They see government as their protector, and mostly agree/assume that "the government knows best." They point to the remarkable progress and advancement in China (in terms of tech, economy, society, etc.) to prove their point.

    At worst, I've gotten some of them to begrudgingly admit that some things the government is doing may be "necessary compromises" in order for the country as a whole to grow.

    Those that I've met are among the more educated and traveled/worldly of the Chinese population. I'm not sure which way that biases the sample. I'm well-aware that there are dissidents in China trying to stop things like censorship; but doing so must be exceedingly difficult when the average person (and even the "intellectual elite" if you will) support the government.

  14. An IT analogy by r6144 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The same reason system administrators are reluctant to reboot their production servers in order to apply a kernel patch that fixes serious performance issues. Government downtime is costly. And in this case we have a fairly invasive patch involving a new algorithm, and although the algorithm itself is well researched, the specific implementation needs extensive testing for which good spare hardware is unavailable.

    If only we had a good simulator to test political ideas on...

    1. Re:An IT analogy by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Informative

      My Chinese teacher says China is not yet ready for democracy. For one, it is a huge country, which also means it is inert. Such radical changes, if implemented haphazardly, mostly lead to problems.

      The Chinese do not plan in 4-year mandates. They plan in chunks of 20 or 50 years. At the same time, they do not tend to improvise as much.

      There is quite a number of issues here, and the more I learn about China, the more I understand that applying the western model would be the wrong thing to do. It is a different culture, with different values. Forcing our values on them, in any way, would meet – and is meeting – much resistance.

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    2. Re:An IT analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm actually writing this from a hotel in Ch*na, and this different culture thing is bullshit. I spend most of my time in Ta*wan, and TW really does feel like somewhere that has 5000 years of history. The culture is open enough to debate different solutions to problems, and that lets them add value.

      E.g. I visited the CH factory of a TWese electronics manufacturer. The TWese company is one of the top 5 ODMs that design something like 90% of the laptops and motherboards in the world all of them are based in TW and do their design there. When you visit them in TW, they are very pragmatic about solving problems and clearly based on market share they are good at what they do.

      The CHese factory by contrast is organised on very strict lines. They have absolutely no authority to question anything or make any changes. And wider TWese society vs CHese society mirrors this distinction. If you're in CH you don't talk about problems. Talking about problems will get you fired, beaten up, locked up or even killed. That just means that problems are never really solved, just papered over. All the rhetoric about 5000 years of history and a very different culture is just something the government says to foreigners who don't recognize it is bullshit. CHese people most likely do, but they know the consequences of speaking up. Also the current government spent most of its time eraseing those 5000 years of history and culture in favour of a sort of generic Stalinism.

      In fact as a liberal you should be aware that sometimes governments spout self serving nonsense to excuse stomping their opponents. And hell, governments are sometimes corrupt too. Imagine what the US would be like if criticizing Bush or Haliburton was widely believed to cause you to disappear. And imagine if the Republican party/Haliburton had been in power for 50 years and owned everything.

      I'm sure that TW's more open political system influences people to discuss problems at work and try to solve them and CH's system discourages this. And for what it's worth, TW did not have 'our political system' forced upon them. The US would occasionally raise reform during the cold war, but it never forced it - given that it does not recognize TW that would have been hard. It was actually student protests coupled with a sympathetic TW President Lee which triggered TW's transition. Before that it was a party state like CH. They actually happened at the same time as the student protests in CH.

      I.e. regardless of people's culture, they don't like being ruled my a bunch of murdering crooks. No one plans 20 to 50 years ahead blindly, that leads to catastrophe. You need to be able to change tack as new facts appear. TW can do that, CH can't. Not politically, and not in an engineering project.

      Mispellings are for obvious reasons. Hope the proxy works.

      I realise the above would be very bad Last Words on the Internet...

    3. Re:An IT analogy by u38cg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I have long been of the opinion that methods of implementing democracy in previously autocratic countries has been badly flawed. The only country in the world that managed to get it essentially right from the outset was the US, and they had a massive momentum behind getting it right. When you arbitrarily hand over democracy to a people not used to it, or used to the exact opposite, you end up - in the extreme case - with Zimbabwe.

      I believe that the best way to go is to follow an evolutionary path, following the experience of countries like Britain or Switzerland, which essentially evolved democracy from what had gone before. Don't impose a democratic structure from the top: create thousands of village councils, each with enough teeth to make an impact but not enough to do severe damage. Ensure you have an effective and ethical policing and judiciary function. As people get used to dealing with their problems through local politics and courts, extend it up the way.

      I reckon that in ten to twenty years time Iraq will freely elect yet another lunatic, and we'll be going back again to try and straighten out another mess. You heard it here first.

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    4. Re:An IT analogy by amorsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I reckon that in ten to twenty years time Iraq will freely elect yet another lunatic, and we'll be going back again to try and straighten out another mess. You heard it here first.

      More likely a major nation will decide that the freely elected government isn't to their liking and stage a coup. That's how most aspiring democracies around the world end.

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    5. Re:An IT analogy by hackingbear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Talking about problems will get you fired, beaten up, locked up or even killed.

      I had lived in China for years and managed a group of software developers. While I agree that they are less inclined to point out problem. That's more like a cultural / educational thing. (Even if I put up awards for filing bugs, they rarely did.) But "Talking problem ... get you ... killed." I found that exaggerated too much. I've yet to read of anyone get killed speaking out problems in a *factory*. Did you actually know of an example? Or you just make it up?

      And outside of works, Chinese make a lot of complains from the cost of healthcare to the lack of ... democracy ... (though they don't really demand it desparately.) There are plenty of criticism against the government in the Internet too, just ask the 91589 people complaining about the lack of train tickets in one website.

      You are either not living in China or you have a wrong perception of what happen around you.

  15. Re:Why? by HadouKen24 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not buying it, chief. Read a comedy by Aristophanes and tell me that the Athenian Greeks were much into "modesty and sexual conservatism." Read the poems of Martial, Juvenal, and Catullus, and look at the architecture and decorations preserved at Pompeii, and tell me that the Romans were.

    Some of the ancient and beautiful temples in India happen to have bas-reliefs depicting bestiality. Illustrated sex manuals were a popular form of literature at one point in China's history. Japan has had tentacle porn since at least the 18th century.

    Sure, every culture has its sexual mores. But that's not exactly the same thing.

  16. Re:political porn ... mmm a new subtree by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't you usually skip to the end when you're ready to finish? ...or is that just me?

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  17. It is tradition act of the government by _Qiang_ · · Score: 5, Informative
    I work in the mobile game industry in beijing.

    In the past, the government had done many gang/crime enforces during certain month of year before, they call it "Yan Da" which basically mean strict enforcement.

    But everyone in china knows that It doesn't solve anything permanently and the people who are involve with such act just keep low profile and wait for it finish.

    As for the porn busting thing.. my coworkers are making jokes about it and pulling out any thing vaguely sexual. such as, you can't mention "Mei Nv"(beatiful girl) in the game description.

    Bottom line, Everything will be business as usual in a month or two.

  18. Re:political porn ... mmm a new subtree by 1001011010110101 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only if you get off on credits

  19. Re:numbers by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Chinese government has managed to rocket China from an impoverished post-WWII and post civil-war famine-plagued disaster into the modern China of today in under sixty years.

    That's absolutely amazing.
    To expect our idea of freedom and democracy to work in China is to ignore its situation and culture. The US and Europe haven't had serious famines in living memory. China has.
    Order and prosperity are more important than freedom.

    People don't generally revolt because they aren't free, they revolt because freedom is seen as the path to prosperity they do not have.

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  20. Re:political porn ... mmm a new subtree by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you usually skip to the end when you're ready to finish? ...or is that just me?

    I don't know what's scarier - his wanking practices being marked "informative" or the fact that his name is "SQuiRT".

  21. Re:numbers by Guppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Chinese government has managed to rocket China from an impoverished post-WWII and post civil-war famine-plagued disaster into the modern China of today in under sixty years.

    Also notice that all that rocketing happened in the last half of that time frame. The first half was spent wasting staggering amounts of human life.
    So, after holding back China for a few decades, they're back to the single-party capitalist system of Republic they overthrew -- while proclaiming the new model was actually "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" (ie, not Socialism). Given their past history and what they've done to the nation, I absolutely refuse to give them any credit for their belated accomplishments, which they came upon by making every single wrong decision first.

  22. Re:numbers by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was a lot of American students that were pushing the Chinese students to fight the government.

    No, it was not. That is a little conspiracy theory that the most patriotic of Chinese will peddle as a catalyst for the Tiananmen Square protests. Blame the Americans rather than their own people. It has no basis in fact.

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  23. pr0n by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always thought it was mainly the puritan/protestant/western religious values that drove our (i.e. Western) governments and institutions to not like porno.

    Recently I've discovered India "outlaws" (according the book I read) porn and now China is cracking down. If anything, I'd think they wouldn't care. What is it in these Eastern cultures that makes them not like porn? I didn't think they were uptight like that.

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  24. Re:"no coincidence" by bugi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (Why do people get so excited about anniversaries anyway?!)

    You're asking the wrong crowd. Ask your wife.