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Dutch Study Says Filesharing Has Positive Economic Effects

An anonymous reader writes "In a study conducted by TNO for the Dutch government the economic effects of filesharing are found to be positive. According to the 146 page report (available for download, but in Dutch) filesharing is good for the prosperity of the Dutch: with filesharing more media are available, even though this costs the media industry some profit. One of the most noticeable conclusions is that downloading and buying are not mutually exclusive: downloaders on average buy just as much music as non-downloaders, but they buy more DVDs and games then people who don't download. They also tend to visit more concerts and buy more merchandise."

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  1. report available for download by alxkit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but where's the torrent?

    1. Re: report available for download by gravos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should also point out the frequently cited possibility that downloaders' propensity to purchase is positively correlated with downloading (the so-called sampling effect). Google around for this and you will find at least 10 papers that discuss it.

      Example: http://www.rufuspollock.org/economics/p2p_summary.html

    2. Re: report available for download by aurispector · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Music downloads are just a form of free advertising. Hell, people are falling all over themselves to write software to do it, set up websites to promote it and use them to get the music. The music industry doesn't have to do a thing. There's still a ton of money to be made on merchandising, touring, advertising, etc.. If only the music industry could just grasp this very basic point...

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    3. Re: report available for download by dryeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What worries the various *AA's is the opposite effect. When someone downloads the next big thing and discovers it's crap so they don't but it.
      They would rather just have you buy everything sight unseen. It's not like you can take it back.

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  2. Always the dutch .... by unity100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    since 15th century, dutch speaking countries (low countries) have led the world in modern and visionary concepts, in areas ranging from humanism to trade. erasmus, spinoza and more. and now this ....

    a little big nation. kudos.

    1. Re:Always the dutch .... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only they'd learn to cook, they'd be perfect.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Always the dutch .... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only they'd learn to cook

      What are you talking about?

      I once ordered coffee and cookies at some cafe or coffee shop or something. Man, those were some great cookies!

    3. Re:Always the dutch .... by lpevey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh yeah, that's right. And the Dutch also gave us option contracts, as they were necessary to facilitate tulip mania. So, in a sense, the Dutch invented derivatives.* So this global financial crisis is really your fault. Of course.

      * Unless you consider more traditional insurance contracts derivatives, which some do, and which were used in Italy and probably elsewhere well before tulip mania.

      (Yes, this is tongue in cheek.)

    4. Re:Always the dutch .... by Steemers · · Score: 4, Informative

      The reason that you cannot find a reference is because it did not happen.

      First off, the Dutch were not a part of any slave trade in Europe and slaves were not generally kept there (in the Netherlands).
      A quick search led to page three and four of
      http://books.google.com/books?id=jvno7nJsMycC&pg=PA3&dq=Dutch+Golden+Age+%22slave+trade%22#PPA2,M1

      Second, the canals were either being dug or already finished (1480 instead of a more slave-possible date like 1650, for example) around the time that the colonization of the Americas was in progress, and it was after that colonization that the colonists started trading in slaves.

    5. Re:Always the dutch .... by aoteoroa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok, apart from the humanism, trade, Erasmus, Spinoza, Ruud Gullit, Marco van Basten, and inventing the stock market - what have the Dutch ever done for us

  3. Uncle Sam wants YOU to use P2P!!! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the evidence to wwhat I've suspected all along - file sharing is patriotic and the RIAA is trying to destroy the economy by undermining media sales with their spamigation method!

    1. Re:Uncle Sam wants YOU to use P2P!!! by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well... discouraging consumption is discouraging consumption.

      Piracy can contribute to a perception of plenty. Many people
      tend to spend more freely on many things when they percieve
      that things are "going well". Push people to "do without"
      and they might do just that. They may also become entirely
      too good at it in the process.

      That's not even getting into the psychological implications
      of "doing without". Most people associate this with dire
      economic misfortune.

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    2. Re:Uncle Sam wants YOU to use P2P!!! by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the first response by american institutions will be:

      "It has a positive benefit for the dutch because they are stealing from us. Which clearly proves it has a negative benefit for us".

    3. Re:Uncle Sam wants YOU to use P2P!!! by artg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know it's not the same thing, but I wonder what the result would be if a similar study were done on burglary ? It might show it's good for the economy (growth in replacement sales, higher turnover for insurance companies etc.) even though some group (householders) suffer a little. Given that politicians currently want us to spend our savings, maybe they'd even see it as a good thing and give burglars a tax break or something ? After all, they're happy to help the thieves in the stock market.

  4. Filesharing by Xaemyl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is definitely the case for me. I'll download an mp3 or two, and if I like them, I'll go out and buy their album (normally directly from the band if Im able to), and go to their shows if they play locally, buy their merchandise, etc.

    I've discovered a lot of great music from filesharing, that I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise, and went on to buy their stuff.

    1. Re:Filesharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Information wants to be $17.99

    2. Re:Filesharing by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what they've discovered here is that people who are really interested in music (i.e. they download a lot of it) tend to buy more music than people who are not that into it (i.e. they download very little). This is not surprising ("obvious" would be a better word), nor does it say anything definitive about the effect of downloading on sales, because (all together now) correlation does not equal causation.

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  5. I knew it! by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the final proof that pirates are destroying the economy!

    Pirates are like terrorists!

    And they pervert children to pirate more!

    Pirates steal music and musicians everywhere are suiciding because they're so poor.

    Did you already forget the article? Or do I have to blabber about children and wars for a while until I totally misdirect your atten... Until we really concentrate on the pirate comunist music thieves.

  6. Google translation by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 4, Informative

    File sharing net positive economic impact

    The economic effects of file sharing on the Dutch welfare in the short and long term net positive. Consumers will benefit as a result of file sharing access to a wide range of cultural products. On the other hand, a fall in turnover from the sale of sound recordings, DVDs and games as a result is plausible.

    This is reflected in joint research by TNO, SEO Economic Research and the Institute for Information Law (IViR) to the economic and cultural consequences of file sharing for music, movies and games on behalf of the Ministries of Education, Ministry of Economic Affairs and Justice. The analysis was conducted on the basis of a study of statistics and scientific literature, interviews with fervent downloaders, a representative survey of the population and a number of informational workshops in the sector.

    Estimates of the volume of the global download unauthorized movement vary widely. The world is in any case, many billions of files per year, a substantial part of international Internet traffic. Some 4.7 million Dutch Internet users aged 15 and older in the last 12 months unpaid ever downloaded. Citizens see the download and share music, movies and games as a general social acceptance, but know little of the technology and regulations that it faces. Regulatory unclear

    It appears that there are many unclear about the admissibility of download. The download for personal use of copyrighted music and movies may. Downloading games is prohibited. In the case of p2p networks is often not only downloaded, but material, often automatically, again made available to others. This upload files without the permission of the owner, as such not allowed.

    The effects of unpaid downloading the purchase of paid content are difficult to determine. Download and buy are not mutually exclusive: an average music downloaders buy more DVDs and more games than people who never download. Even more downloaders go to concerts and buy more merchandise. Net profit prosperity

    For the music industry is that downloaded pictures of 1-to-1 can be translated into lost sales. Many consumers who download music would not be in the same amount at current prices to buy and download unpaid not feasible. There are people who download music and get to know where to buy if they like. Although there are also positive effects on the purchasing behavior of downloading, is a negative impact on the turnover of the sectors likely. This is particularly true for the sale of recordings, especially as downloading music has become the most established. In addition, there are differences between artists known artists seem to have more damage, while relatively unknown artists may even benefit when exchanging files increased their awareness .. For society as a whole is against this turnover of the sector the benefits of the large group of downloaders who would otherwise never have to purchase. On balance, there is a significant welfare gains.

    New business models emerging The music and film industries face the challenge to match their offerings with the changing consumer demand. New business models are emerging. The music is made for new movements to tap revenubronnen (concerts, merchandise and sponsorship). There is a place for music recordings, but in future it does not seem possible only on the basis of recorded music to run a profitable business. Within the film industry to grow the markets visit cinema and DVD sales still. DVD rental has fallen. Over time this can change quickly if the Internet is available. Again, there are important new business models. The game industry is growing boisterous, especially the console games and their hardware-software combination content. Here is file sharing on the watch less than eg PC games, where turnover is now stagnating. A related official platform game has so many advantages that it is not inconceivable that this industry is the file-sharing practice the music industry now faces a far greater extent could avert or circumvent.

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  7. Music Industry Doesn't Care by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The music industry doesn't care if the end result of file sharing is good for the economy (which I can easily agree it probably is) because they don't make money from the economy as a whole. They don't care if fans of music (including file sharers) are more inclined to pay outrageous prices to see a concert - most music companies don't make money from concert proceeds. For me, however, POLITICIANS should be paying attention to this information. Sure, they may have some lobbyist chewing their ear out about how bad file sharing is and that it must be stopped before the end of the world comes as a result but they need to be shown the bigger picture so that they can make the best decision for the people.

    I know. I know. I can hope that there are still some politicians who are actually interested in doing the right thing for the people they represent...

  8. Translation by mrvan · · Score: 5, Informative

    And to do something in return I'll give you my attempt at translating the interesting parts of the article (which is quite interesting). Note that the net effect on the content industry is still negative, and the net gain for Dutch prosperity is positive, this might be because quite a bit of the losses are outside the country. It can also be seen as a proof of the failure of the normal free market model to give an optimal allocation of resources in the case of near-zero marginal costs.

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    File sharing has positive net effect on economy

    The economyic effects of file sharing on Dutch prosperity on long and short term are positive. Consumers obtain access to a wide range of cultural products due to file sharing. On the other hand it is likely that there is a decrease of turnover in the sales.

    This was shown by a joint study of TNO, SEO Economic Research, and the Institute for Information Rights (IViR) into the economic and social consequences of file sharing for music, films, and games ordered by the Ministries of Education & Culture, Economic Affairs, and Justice. This analysis is conducted based on a study of statistics and recent scientific literatur, interviews with frequent downloaders, a representative survey of the Dutch population and a number of informative workshops with the [media] sector.

    Estimates of the volume of global unauthorised downloading are widely divergent. The global count is at least several billion files per year, a substantial part of the international Internet traffic. Around 4.7 million Dutch Internet users of 15 years and older have downloaded something without authorisation in the past year. Citizens view downloading and sharing of music, films, and games as socially accepted, but know little of the technique and regulation involved.

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    Net prosperity gain

    For the music industry the downloaded recordings cannot be translated 1-on-1 into lost sales. Many downloading consumers would not have bought the same amount of music [that they downloaded] against current prices if downloaded would not be possible. Additionally, there are people who download music in order to get to know it and buy it if they like it.

    Although there are also positive effects of downloading music on sales, a negative effect on the turnover of the involved sectors is likely. This is especially the case for music because downloading music has become the most normal. There is a differentiated effect based on the artist: well-known artist are most impacted negatively, while relatively unknown artists can even profit when file sharing increases their reknown. For society at large the lost turnover of the [media] sector is opposed to the gains by the large group of downloaders that would otherwise not have made a purchase. The net effect on prosperity is substantial.

    Rise of new business models

    The music and film industry are faced by the challenge of matching their supply with the changed consumer demand. New business models are on the rise. The music industry is moving to use new sources of revenue (concerts, merchanise, sponsoring). There is a place for music recordings, but in the future it will probably become impossible to run a company on music recordings alone. Within the movie industry the markets of cinema and DVD sales are still growing. DVD rentals are down strongly. In the longer term this might change as faster internet becomes available. Here also new business models are important. The gaming industry is growing in spurts, especially console games and their combination of hardware and software. Especially here file sharing is less prevalent than in e.g. PC games, where turnover is stagnating. A platform bound official game has so many advantages that it is not inconceivable that this branch will be able to aboid file sharing to a larger degree than the music industry.

  9. Re:Study Conclusions by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3) People have a fixed amount of money to spend on entertainment, by downloading shitty music on the internet they spend that money on other entertainment products/services.

    For the Netherlands that's a win because the loser is the music companies and they are mostly overseas corporations and the winners are live performances which provide local employment and so on.

    Of course I haven't read the article, not knowing Dutch and not bothering with a translate this page thing, and I know nothing of the music industry - for all I know the Dutch produce 99% of the world's music, though I doubt it.

  10. Re:You clearly didn't get the point by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give me one good reason why anyone has a natural right to simply copy the recorded work of an artist or musician.

    Give me one good reason why anyone has a natural right to prevent someone from making a copy of any recorded work.

    You can argue until you are blue in the fact that there is a major difference between copyright infringement and outright theft, but in the end, the entitlement mentality that justifies both on moral grounds is the same in both cases.

    The justification isn't the same unless you've already made the assumption that copyright is a legitimate form of property. The moral argument supporting private property rights is a product of scarcity, which doesn't apply to copyrights. Even the pro-copyright crowd doesn't really treat copyrights as though they were property; differences include time limits, statutory damages, higher penalties than are imposed for outright theft, etc.

    If the law simply set the same standards for damages for copyright infringement as for theft it would resolve the issue instantly, as there are no damages for copyright infringement -- not unless you consider competition itself to be a tort demanding recompense (the "lost sale" argument). It is copyright itself, not infringement, which demands justification.

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