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Get Out of Sprint Free

hyades1 writes in to let us know that Sprint has extended to Jan. 31 the time in which subscribers can switch carriers without paying an early termination fee. "Last month we learned that Sprint was increasing its administrative fee to $0.75, giving customers until January 1 of this year to back out without a penalty. It seems that $0.75 wasn't going to cut it as Sprint has raised its fee yet again, this time to $0.99. Customers now have through January 31 to sever ties sans-ETF, so if you missed the boat last month you're in luck. Though some customer care reps apparently aren't yet aware of the change, we did confirm it with Sprint so keep trying and as always, contacting them via chat seems to go a bit more smoothly than calling them up."

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  1. Is this really what passes for news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If so, I expect to see a story about how T-Mobile customers can get MyFaves for free, since that's also something people on mobile phone forums are talking about.

    1. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by gravos · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used this same tactic for Verizon last year when they adjusted their international text message fee. This is how I was able to leave Verizon and join Sprints SERO plan. I LOVE IT. Can't beat the price and I've had nothing but good coverage and service from them.

    2. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      News for niggards, stuff that matters!

      [Look it up kids, it's not a racial slur. It had to alliterate, so it was really my only choice.]

    3. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by Hordeking · · Score: 4, Funny

      News for niggards, stuff that matters!

      [Look it up kids, it's not a racial slur. It had to alliterate, so it was really my only choice.]

      While technically correct, it's still off-topic. Ironically, that's exactly what I would have modded you if I hadn't squandered my mod points on booze, hookers, and insightful posts.

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    4. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by SteveTheNewbie · · Score: 1

      Does that cost an entire $1 as well ?

    5. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to put nerds back into the administration. The profit seek is killing all the fun.

    6. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i can't ever drop my sero plan. playing 30 a month for unlimited data, 1000 texts, 1000 mms (need to install an app to actually use them), and 300 minutes.

      and that's with tethering.

      sprint can chisel me for an extra buck, i won't complain. getting on SERO now would get me the same plan for 50.

      wish i'd been able to keep my 10$ a month nextel sim, though. bastits reduced the number of lines their employees got and I was left out in the cold.

    7. Re:Is this really what passes for news? by 0m3gaMan · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile is qualified to join the money-grubbing aswipes club as well, starting with their milking Starbucks customers for wireless last year. Are they still doing it?

  2. wish tmobile would offer the same by planckscale · · Score: 1

    Seems like every time I get close to getting out, my phone breaks and I have to extend my 2 year contract again...

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    1. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by tchuladdiass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why would you have to extend? Just buy a replacement phone at full price. Personally, I don't find it worth it to save $100 or so by committing to spend 24 x $90/month.

    2. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why would you have to extend? Just buy a replacement phone at full price. Personally, I don't find it worth it to save $100 or so by committing to spend 24 x $90/month.

      Unless of course you were going to spend 24x90 anyway. Its not like you get a reduced rate if you buy the equipment outright, so you might as well take the subsidies.

    3. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by tchuladdiass · · Score: 1

      This may be a better deal now, but a few years ago the wireless carriers were constantly coming out with better plans than their competitors, not to mention that the selection of handsets from the carriers differed significantly. It was a good day when my Nextel contract was up several years ago (just after Sprint bought them out).

    4. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or buy a cheap replacement phone off Ebay and then wait until your contract is up.

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    5. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by todrules · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're with T-mobile. They're a GSM carrier. Just buy a new phone on Ebay. There's a great selection of GSM phones. Also, (and I'm not sure if this works any more), but you used to be able to buy a cheap, prepaid GSM phone, and then just put your postpaid SIM in there. Cheap, easy way to get a replacement.

    6. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly you can get the free phone and sell it on ebay... so you wind up with 24x90 - ~$150.

    7. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly what I do. I rarely need my phone at all so I go with prepaid and the occasional new phone that I purchase separately.
      Can't complain about paying 0.09â per minute and SMS to any carrier. Receiving is free, of course.

    8. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by tknd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, never. If you keep signing 2 year contracts we'll never have competitive rates because you keep giving up your biggest bargaining chip. When you are monthly, you can cancel at any point for bad service and they lose market share while their competitor gains market share. You can use this to negotiate down your monthly rate on a monthly basis rather than every 2 years.

    9. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Kindaian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why get a replacement at all?

      Just scrap the GSM phone.

      When you are around the computer use voip... if not, well, people can send you an email!

      And, use the free time you just got with all those useless calls to get a nice warm cup of *whatever*, and relax...

    10. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      eBay is also home to some of the scummiest web vendors I've ever seen. They'll send you a refurb phone marked as new, let you post a good service mark, then it'll go dead and you'll either be out your money, or have to pay them to fix it.

    11. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Ariven · · Score: 1

      Yup, everytime my daughter breaks her cheapo phone that we have on t-mobile, I go buy another pre-pay t-mobile phone for $25 (or so) and swap in the SIM card.. works great.

    12. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      I tend to get 5 new phones a year to extend current contract. And the ones I don't use/distribute to family, I can sell on Ebay for $100 a pop. It's like a refund.

    13. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      Its not like you get a reduced rate if you buy the equipment outright, so you might as well take the subsidies.

      Actually, there was a time a few years ago when I called to cancel service because I was "out of contract" with a still-working phone. The rep (AT&T/Cingular at the time) offered me a break of $5/month to stick with them, with my old phone. I took them up on it.

      Of course, don't play this gambit if you don't have a viable switch plan, but know that it may work.

    14. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      But you *could* get a reduced service rate or other goodies.

      Let the contract ride. When you get close to your date you'll start getting calls regarding your account. But the ball is in your court to negotiate with them because you can freely leave once the date passes. Most carriers don't like letting customers leave (hence the early term fee) and they'll do almost anything to keep you. They'll try to sell you phones or something, but pretend you're going to switch and hold out for free services and discounts if you don't really want to switch carriers.

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    15. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. These days, even if you've exhausted your contract and have gone monthly, they don't care about retention. At least, AT&T doesn't.

    16. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      You know Cingular offered me a similar cheap rate ($10 a month) until suddenly they announced my fee was increasing to $30 a month in three months time. I asked why and they gave me the excuse, "We eliminated the low price plans. $30 is now our cheapest rate."

      Stupidity. I switched to VirginMobile instead. Sometimes I think these companies like shooting themselves in the foot.

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    17. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Glendale2x · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sprint will, or at least they used to. Last time around I got them to take a percentage off the top of the bill every month.

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    18. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And, use the free time you just got with all those useless calls to get a nice warm cup of *whatever*, and relax...

      Well, I've got to admit, you've got a point. If I didn't get all those 'useless' calls, I sure would have a lot of free time. Hooray for one-size-fits-all solutions.

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    19. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      They're who I ended up with.

    20. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Just scrap the GSM phone.

      Agreed. CDMA is far superior.

    21. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by vux984 · · Score: 1

      But you *could* get a reduced service rate or other goodies.

      What do you think a phone subsidy is? If not a 'goodie'?

      Look, if you already have a nice phone, and don't want/need one, than sure, go MTM, and haggle for all your worth, but if you need a new phone anyway, taking the subsidy is usually the best deal.

      For example, right now, with my carrier I can get a new razr2 on a 2year for $149. To buy it outright with no contract is $500, a difference of $350.

      What am I going to get by haggling that's going to be worth more than $350 over 2 years? Sure I **might** be able to get them to comp me my voicemail+callerid+text messaging package if I raise a stink and threaten to switch carriers...but that's only worth $10/mo... so I'm going to spend an extra $350 to save $240?

      You'd have to be pretty bad at math to take that deal.

      And that's if I'm lucky, its more likely they'll offer some long distance or web browsing fluff that has value on paper, but since I'll rarely use it, it has no real value to me.

    22. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      Unless of course you were going to spend 24x90 anyway. Its not like you get a reduced rate if you buy the equipment outright, so you might as well take the subsidies.

      I hope the USA eventually catch up to Europe in this area too.

      Here in the UK, T-Mobile does offer incentives for people NOT wishing to take up the subsidiaries.

      For example they have a special offer on their Solo (Sim Only) tarrif, where you have 600 minuites of calls (Landlines and mobiles), unlimited included SMS in the UK to UK numbers, as well Internet (1GB per month limit), for £20 ($30) a month. There is no lengthy commitments, as the contract is a 30 day rolling contract (cancel at any time, but subject to a 30 day notice). And of course we don't pay to receive calls or sms/mms in the UK.

      Those who are on an existing contract can on completion of their minimum term, elect to NOT upgrade their phone, and sign up for a discount of about £15 per month (12 month minimum period). on a contract of £30 per month, this leads to an effective tarriff of £15 per month.

      And finally, when threatening to cancel, or move to another provider, they usually offer good deals to keep you on if you are a good customer, on a case by case basis.

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    23. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Been buying my own phones at full retail price (usually circa £300) since about 2002. Every year I get the "do you want to upgrade to a new Nokiericsung Eleventytron with LASERS?!" call, and say no (primarily because I'm damn picky about my mobiles, and 95% of the ones offered as "free" are junk with shitty flashy UIs and the battery life of a Game Gear.

      Upshot? They no longer have a bargaining chip to get me to sign a new contract. They know I can get cheaper deals elsewhere and transfer my number with minimal hassle. They also know I've had the same contract for ten years. So every year, my contract gets cheaper, I get more free texts, more free calls, free minutes across europe, even bills paid for. Opposed to friends with similar contracts and usage patterns over the years who have opted to take the phone, I reckon I'm saving on the order of £150-£200/yr which, if you're happy to not always have the latest and greatest mobile, seems like a great deal to me.

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    24. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by DeBaas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why get a replacement at all?

      Just scrap the GSM phone.

      When you are around the computer use voip... if not, well, people can send you an email!

      And, use the free time you just got with all those useless calls to get a nice warm cup of *whatever*, and relax...

      This message was brought to you by Starbucks ??

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    25. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      I'm 90% certain you can do this with T-Mo, and 100% certain for AT&T (as I have done it with AT&T phones to obtain a backup in case of my primary failing).

      Also, both T-Mo and AT&T sell some cheap Nokia prepaid phones that are from a model range that people have figured out the unlock code algorithm for, so you can unlock them without the carrier's cooperation (I have not done this though. I was close to doing so when my girlfriend was a T-Mo customer, but she was able to get out of it due to lack of service at her new home address and switch to AT&T.)

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    26. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Sprint seems to. My contracts ran out on two lines and I went shopping around. TMobile ended up with the best pricing, but no 3G and more expensive international calls. I told Sprint I planned on switching anyway, and they gave me 160 dollars of service credit on top of the 150 dollars for each line for phones. I then got 2 50 dollar mailin rebates with the phones I bought. Do the math and you can see that Sprint does shoot for retention now. Sprint used to have horrendous customer service. After speaking to some reps in the store, they apparently modified their bonus structure for call center people to push service over sales.

    27. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why get a replacement at all?

      Just scrap the GSM phone.

      When you are around the computer use voip... if not, well, people can send you an email!

      And, use the free time you just got with all those useless calls to get a nice warm cup of *whatever*, and relax...
      What glue sniffer marked this as informative? Pop quiz hot shot, your car breaks down, and you need to call a tow truck, and your cat 5 cable ran out several miles away. Though you do have a point in that scenario there certainly will be plenty of free time.

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    28. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Been buying my own phones at full retail price (usually circa £300) since about 2002. [...]
        I reckon I'm saving on the order of £150-£200/yr.

      So the question is ultimately simply whether the amout you spend on a phone at full retail is less than they are giving you in perks. It sounds like in your case they probably are, especially as it sounds like you are stretching the life of your phone.

      I noted elsewhere in this thread, that for me, the phone I'm using is $500 full retail vs $150 on a 2year. That's $350 difference. If I paid full retail for the phone and then threatened to switch networks yeah, I can probably score some free voicemail/callerid/text messages or about $10/mo worth. So over two years I would have paid $350 to save $240.

      Worse, my threat to switch networks is pretty hollow, as the phones are locked (and difficult to unlock), and there are only a few networks to choose from, and my current phone is CDMA, while half the alternative networks are GSM, so there is really only one network I can take my phone to, and its not really going to be any cheaper there.

      Point is there are clearly market differences between north america and europe that change the equation on this.

    29. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      Why get a replacement at all?

      Just scrap the GSM phone.

      When you are around the computer use voip... if not, well, people can send you an email!

      And, use the free time you just got with all those useless calls to get a nice warm cup of *whatever*, and relax...

      Thanks for the tip. That will work well for me when my car breaks down on my hour long commute through the desert.

      If you don't like useless calls, don't answer the damn phone. Then the people you don't want to talk to stop calling you.

    30. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      buy a crappy old one off eBay, something to last you a few months. Usually you can find one for $20 tops.

    31. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by planckscale · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's true, also someone said I could buy a Pay-as-you-go phone from a retail store and just switch the sims. But I don't use crappy phones either, like right now I have an HTC Shadow smartphone. I've got a screen saver, rubber case, and am protecting it with my life! lol

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    32. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      totally agree. I worked for Sprint for 2 years, the reps are so handcuffed at giving you a deal, just talk to the cancelation department or as they called it account services/retentions they offer a boat load for you to stay. The poor customer service reps can't credit more than 250 per month if I remember right, with so many errors by the next month they were credit blocked. I remember our whole team was credit blocked for a month.

    33. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I suppose he'll die a horrible death out in the wilderness, just like everyone did before mobile telephones were invented.

      Oh wait.

    34. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      I suppose he'll die a horrible death out in the wilderness, just like everyone did before mobile telephones were invented.
      Nice Reductio ad absurdum. However, the parent post I was replying to asked the question why get a replacement GSM phone. Therefore, I provided a likely scenario where one would appreciate having a mobile phone. That is all. HAND.

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    35. Re:wish tmobile would offer the same by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Obviously it depends. If you just want a new phone and they have nothing else of value to offer you then get the phone. The point was you can negotiate if you wanted to rather than bend over and do what they tell you. In your case you could try negotiating for $100 on that phone instead of $149 plus some comp for the $10/mo stuff.

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  3. Virgin mobile... by samriel · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Virgin Mobile raised text and speech pay-as-you-go rates with the only warning being, get this, at text message which costs YOU to recieve. Where's my back-out date?

    1. Re:Virgin mobile... by box4831 · · Score: 1

      I thought Virgin mobile didnt have 1-2 year contracts to back out of in the first place?

      Your backout date is whenever you stop paying :)

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    2. Re:Virgin mobile... by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Virgin Mobile raised text and speech pay-as-you-go rates with the only warning being, get this, at text message which costs YOU to recieve. Where's my back-out date?

      I think you are missing the point of "pay-as-you-go" service.

    3. Re:Virgin mobile... by Grapes4Buddha · · Score: 1
      They do not / should not charge for service announcments. I have virgin mobile, too. I just checked and they did not charge me for that announcement.

      .... although they are very inconsistent about whether they charge me for checking my voice mail.

    4. Re:Virgin mobile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have to purchase the service at an agreed rate. Virgin would be in breech of the contract that was created when you purchased the service.

  4. Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 1

    Do any of you know of a way to escape contract with Alltel without paying the early termination fee? I'm sick of the 5-7 day delay in getting my voicemail messages! ):

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    1. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Hordeking · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do any of you know of a way to escape contract with Alltel without paying the early termination fee? I'm sick of the 5-7 day delay in getting my voicemail messages! ):

      Claim they're breaking the contract by not providing you with service. You're paying them to deliver messages in a timely manner, not take messages like shithead roommates.

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    2. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by wpiman · · Score: 4, Informative

      File an online petition with the FCC claiming the service doesn't work as advertised and they will let you go.

    3. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alltell is being bought out by Verizon, so perhaps that will resolve your problem (and if they're changing fees, it may give you an excuse to bounce). However I've had Verizon's cellular service for over a decade now and have never had the VM issues you describe, so it may be worth just waiting it out. I'd recommend checking howardforums.com as it's one of the best cellular forums on the net.

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    4. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thank you for that information!

      I found the FCC's Electronic Consumer Complaint site and I guess we will see how it goes.

      Again, thank you (at least now there is some hope) (!)

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    5. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by themacks · · Score: 1

      The only times I have had an issue with that was with an older phone. If I ever called my voicemail to check, they were there, but the phone never alerted me to them.

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    6. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by sortius_nod · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate that the US has little to no consumer protection, here in Australia there's the TIO (www.tio.gov.au) or the state based Consumer Affairs/Department of Fair Trading that deals with these issues. At the mere mention of these bodies the carriers quickly release you from contract, or prepare for a massive legal battle without any cost to you.

    7. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by leon.gandalf · · Score: 1

      I have Alltel and have never had any VM problems....However getting text messages to and from Verizon phones has been interesting. Sometimes takes a day or so.
      And when Verizon takes over I am so gonna miss "My Circle"

    8. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Claim they're breaking the contract by not providing you with service. You're paying them to deliver messages in a timely manner, not take messages like pothead roommates.

      There, fixed that for ya.

    9. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by k_187 · · Score: 1

      Well, there's a good chance that Verizon won't force you to upgrade your plan, at least until you get a new phone. I'm still running on the exact same plan I signed up for 5 years ago, they've just extended the end date and added/subtracted features as I've moved on.

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    10. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by AusIV · · Score: 1
      I don't know if Alltell will let you do this, but I use Grand Central for voice mail. The intent of Grand Central is that you have one phone number that rings multiple other phone numbers. But they also have a great voice mail service. I registered an account (free), set a quick rule to go straight to voice mail.

      My phone let me specify a number for forwarding calls when I'm unavailable. I switched it from T-Mobile's voice mail number to my Grand Central number.

      Now I can get text messages when someone leaves a voicemail (more reliable than T-Mobile's notification). I can also check my voicemail on the computer, and save them permanently if I so desire.

    11. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to second this move...we did it with AT&T. They used to have horrible service where I lived, so we filed a petition with the FCC and they gave my family new phones to try (they still sucked), so we gave the phones back and they let us out of the contract.

    12. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by michaelhood · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate that the US has little to no consumer protection, here in Australia there's the TIO (www.tio.gov.au) or the state based Consumer Affairs/Department of Fair Trading that deals with these issues. At the mere mention of these bodies the carriers quickly release you from contract, or prepare for a massive legal battle without any cost to you.

      www.fcc.gov and www.ftc.gov, respectively.

    13. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do any of you know of a way to escape contract with Alltel without paying the early termination fee? I'm sick of the 5-7 day delay in getting my voicemail messages! ):

      Claim they're breaking the contract by not providing you with service. You're paying them to deliver messages in a timely manner, not take messages like shithead roommates.

      Look for fee increases. Most carriers increase some sort of fee every couple of months. You then have a window where they're legally required to let you out of your contract.

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    14. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by iamstretchypanda · · Score: 1

      Can you send me an invite to grand central? This is perfect for me! iamstretchypanda AT gmail DOT com

    15. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done the same with a different carrier. Explain to them that a contract works both ways. You pay the bill on time, they provide you with a service. Assuming your account is in good standing, they are not meeting their end of the deal.

    16. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 1

      Alas, it looks like invites are unavailable at the moment. Not sure if this is just for me, but that's what the knowledge base on the site said. Sorry.

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    17. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by timbck2 · · Score: 1

      I tried this with U.S. Cellular a couple years ago (I moved out of their service area, and they wouldn't let me out of my contract) and the FCC didn't back me up; I still had to pay.

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    18. Re:Is there a way to get this with Alltel? by Pervaricator+General · · Score: 1

      When AT&T Wireless changed to Cingular, they kept plans as is. We still had people on the "Your state ONLY" plans with national roaming, even (plan start dates of 1995 or earlier). The user never left the state, so it wasn't a big deal. I would assume that AllTel's merger will follow a similar pattern. Let sleeping dogs lie.

  5. CDMA by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems as though the only people I know who actively choose Sprint choose it because Sprint is the only viable option where they live. The GSM carriers' coverage really starts to suffer in the big, wide-open spaces of the Midwest.

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    1. Re:CDMA by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

      I choose Sprint because I'm on their SERO plan and get 450 peak minutes, unlimited data, unlimited texts, and 7pm night and weekends for $29.99 a month. My bill with all the taxes and fees is $37 every month. No other carrier comes close to that.

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    2. Re:CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The reason my company choose sprint was due to price. And the main factor in the billing between them and the competition (AT&T, Verizon, etc) was the data lines. Most of our phones are are PDAs and with Sprint the most basic unlimited data line is $10 a month per line. No one came close. The cheapest AT&T and Verizon could do was 50-60 per month per line.

      Personally I don't like Sprint (mainly due to coverage) and I tried my best to get the price so we could switch, but sadly it came down to price.

    3. Re:CDMA by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      That's funny about the Midwest, because here in the rural south I've noticed the opposite. Almost nobody uses Sprint, because once you get more than a few miles from the center of a major city, service is terrible at best. Not even the interstates and major highways have full coverage. The only reason we have Sprint is because we have a family plan, and part of the family spends most of their time in large Midwestern cities (where apparently it works great. But don't all carriers have their best coverage in metro centers?). Sucks for the rest of us, though. But since our contract ended several months ago, we're planning to switch soon (not sure to who).

    4. Re:CDMA by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Not only is this Sprint early termination fee waiver old news, the article gets all the information wrong. The Administrative Charge is being increased from $0.75 to $0.99 beginning on January 1, 2009. You have thirty days after the change in fees to ask for the ETF waiver, and you have to specifically mention that you are termination due to the change in fees. I canceled my Sprint account back in December and moved to T-Mobile.

      Sprint was terrible. The bills were always wrong and I wasted hours each month getting my bill fixed. They would always add unrequested features like phone insurance or international calling. They would extend my contract for bizarre reasons such as buying a replacement phone without getting any rebates or discounts. This is a great chance to get out of an artificially-extended Sprint contract.

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    5. Re:CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes yes everyone knows how fantastic the ol' SERO plan is. It's a shame it's no longer available for people to sign up for, see: irrelevant.

    6. Re:CDMA by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Yes yes everyone knows how fantastic the ol' SERO plan is. It's a shame it's no longer available for people to sign up for, see: irrelevant.

      Since the subject at hand is people leaving Sprint, and many of those people have SERO, it would seem quite relevant. I'm one of those people. I hardly ever call customer service so I almost never see Sprint's crappiness. I do however use the wireless Internet and free text extensively.

    7. Re:CDMA by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

      Sorry you missed the boat on SERO, but my point was that there are people who choose Sprint even though it's not the only viable option where they live.

      Try reading the parent post, then you'll see the relevance.

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    8. Re:CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      im with sprint because they are the only carrier that gives me unlimited phone as modem on my $50 blackberry plan.

      yep cheaper to buy a blackberry and tether it than to buy and unlimited data plan with a modem.

    9. Re:CDMA by Solandri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many of Sprint's plans have free roaming. If yours does and you're in an area with poor reception, try switching your phone to roaming only. Verizon is one of Sprint's roaming partners (so was Alltel, but Verizon bought them). So usually you can get a decent signal anywhere you could with the other carriers. If you don't switch to roaming-only, the phone tries to connect to a Sprint network even if its signal is almost nonexistent while the Verizon signal is strong.

      Do NOT do this if you're near Canada or Mexico. If you end up roaming on an international network, you get to pay international rates. And getting it cleared up with Sprint's customer service could take forever.

      The original CDMA services were rolled out by Sprint and Verizon using subcontractors to set up the towers. CDMA was relatively new and untested, so they relied on specs from Qualcomm to design those networks. The specs turned out to be rather optimistic. As a result the towers in certain older regions are spaced too far apart, leading to many areas with poor service. Verizon has been pretty good about moving or setting up new towers. Sprint has not. But if you can roam on Verizon's towers, the problem goes away.

    10. Re:CDMA by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      I USED to be a Sprint customer years back here in KC. I always had dropped calls and their customer service was horrible. They were also had expensive packages. This is their headquarters and the service sucked around town. You'd think they'd have enough pride to man up on their home field. Then, when my contract was up and I switched my number, they still tried to stiff me for the $150 fee. It took a lot of my time to correct, and they still stiffed me for another month of service. I have friends who worked for them and the stories I heard about how that company was run was enough to seal the deal for me.

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    11. Re:CDMA by Rog-Mahal · · Score: 0

      Currently, I have been unsatisfied with Sprint from both a customer service and phone service standpoint. My family has used them for years and had numerous issues. Phones have malfunctioned, hidden charges have jacked up bills without prior warning, customer service reps are unhelpful. Roaming on Verizon was one of the few useful features. Needless to say, I've been on the lookout for a new carrier, which lead me to find that AT&T and T-Mobile also have free roaming on most of the plans I looked at for both families and individuals. I'm not trying to be a salesman, just to point out that free roaming is not only available with just Sprint. Besides, why would I pay a company that has a poor coverage map and leeches off of another network when I can give my money to the guys who do it right?

    12. Re:CDMA by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I use my phone for web access, mail, and 8-10k (yes, that's thousand) minutes per month.

      No one has opted to match thier $100/mo "unlimited voice/data/text" plan (not "everything" as the name would imply) which is disappointing because I loath my Moto q and would love to switch to a GSM network and get an Android.

    13. Re:CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to dispute what you say... but here's a bit of an expansion on that.

                Verizon formed as a merger of quite a few companies in 2000 (something like 5 or 6 main ones.) PrimeCo was PCS, but the rest were companies that had been building out cellular coverage since the 1980s. So, some of these companies were a bit "stingier" than others, and basically built out assuming 5 watt bag phones. Verizon likes to brag how they've spent $48 billion since then on improvements.. that has certainly bought a lot of cell sites to help fill those "stingy" areas in.

                Sprint built their PCS network from scratch around 1996. They basically built out enough to launch in larger cities and have some coverage in between. They've been building out since, but Verizon's essentially had a 10-year head start, and (important for rural areas in particular), PCS spectrum doesn't travel as far and so needs more sites for the same coverage.

    14. Re:CDMA by ohnotherobots · · Score: 1

      I agree, I'm currently on Sprint because there simply isn't good GSM service where I am (Vermont). If I had a choice, I'd be on T-Mobile using a G1 or an OpenMoko device.

    15. Re:CDMA by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      I have it on good authority that Verizon is good in the rural south.

    16. Re:CDMA by rhombic · · Score: 1

      8-10k (yes, that's thousand) minutes per month.

      Jesus tapdancing christ, there's only 44,000 minutes in a 31 day month-- you actually spend almost 1/4 of your life on your phone? Wow.

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    17. Re:CDMA by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Good lord man, hang up and live a little.

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    18. Re:CDMA by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Can y'all hear me now?

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    19. Re:CDMA by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Needy girlfriends FTL.

    20. Re:CDMA by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Sprint has the cheapest data plans by far. $15 for unlimited data with bluetooth tethering on a smartphone.... If you like using data service, and you get Sprint coverage in the places you go frequently, it's a good choice. Yeah, their customer service sucks, especially in their stores, but the same goes for AT&T and Verizon.

    21. Re:CDMA by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      No one has opted to match thier $100/mo "unlimited voice/data/text" plan

      No, you're just not looking around. Cricket has that beat by quite a margin. If all you want is unlimited voice/data/text then they can give you that for about $85. Granted, it's on two plans; one for voice/text($45) and one for data($40).

      *This offer not available in all areas, taxes and fees may apply, if it's not micromachines it's not the real thing, yadda, yadda, yadda.

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    22. Re:CDMA by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Cricket is not in my area.
      MetroPCS doesn't Roam for when I travel.
      VirginMobile doesn't have the unlimited data.

    23. Re:CDMA by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1

      Seems as though the only people I know who actively choose Sprint choose it because Sprint is the only viable option where they live. The GSM carriers' coverage really starts to suffer in the big, wide-open spaces of the Midwest.

      I chose them because they were the only carrier to allow me a data plan that was both relatively reasonable and didn't require a huge deposit. They also have excellent coverage here in New York.

  6. Is /. now Verizon and AT&T's free ad board? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean come on ...

  7. Odd... by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to me, that since they are breaching the contract, you can terminate at any time. What's with the time limit? Once they increase the fee, all contracts with Sprint are, by law, NULL AND VOID.

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    1. Re:Odd... by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like credit card companies, the wireless companies write into their contract the ability to 'revise' terms as they deem necessary. As long as they provide you a copy of the updated terms and conditions with a note along the lines of "if you don't contact us by such and such a date to tell us you reject these changes, they are in effect".

      In theory, you should be able to contact them and tell them you reject the changes, in which case you are still on your old contract and/or they negotiate a different set of changes for you. In practice, they also tell you refusal to accept the changes will result in the termination of your account. Since the termination is their decision rather than yours, they aren't suppose to be able to levee any 'early cancelation' fees.

      Not that that stops it from happening.

    2. Re:Odd... by themacks · · Score: 1

      The assumption is that if you continue paying for your service the following month, you agreed to the change in contract, thus creating a new contract.

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    3. Re:Odd... by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      This applies to any contract. Regardless of what is written in the agreement, no party to a contract may make a material change to an agreement after the fact without the other parties (possibly implied) consent. A material change is any change impacting the substance of the agreement - ie it might have impacted your decision to enter into the agreement in the first place. Money of any kind is almost always considered material. Maybe if we're talking a 50 cent error in a $100M real estate deal it might not be - but nobody would even bother to try to extract an extra 50 cents on such a deal anyway.

      Is your credit card company raising interest rates (outside of the variable terms already set forth)? Just tell them no. They can choose to close your account, but you can pay off the remaining balance under the original terms. Or, they could choose to continue under the original terms (which is fair).

      Anything to the contrary in any contract you sign of any kind simply isn't enforcable. Any court would throw out terms allowing unilateral changes after the fact. They might be able to imply consent if they clearly warn you of the changes and then give you a reasonable time and reasonable means to inform them of your intent to not accept the change.

      Disclaimer, IANAL...

    4. Re:Odd... by Kindaian · · Score: 1

      Not if you accept the new terms.

      That is way they have to allow you to refuse them. ;)

      p.s.- you don't have to pay ETF because it's them that don't accept to keep the terms of the contract not you. Also, you may request an indemnification because of that. They are the ones defaulting on the contract.

    5. Re:Odd... by davolfman · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it's possible to get an early termination penalty from them through small claims court by arguing that any penalties for termination of the contract should apply to both parties.

    6. Re:Odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is, in fact, not. In generally you can be obligated to pay someone for services but not obligated to provide them. In the case of a pay-as-you-go service as long as the agreement is terminated by the service provider with reasonable notice you are not considered to have suffered any damages that you can recover. Presumably (and definitely in this specific case) you can just find someone else to take over the job. The service provider, on the other hand, is assumed to have born the infrastructure and opportunity costs up front and is entitled to recover them.

  8. Does this work in all states? by kiick · · Score: 1

    I checked my bill, and sure enough the administrative fee has gone up. However, I don't recall getting any notice of such. Is this a state-by-state deal?

    PS: Sure enough, the SA has the materially adverse clause in it.

    PPS: Sprint sucks.

    1. Re:Does this work in all states? by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      I think that the bill is your notice. By paying it, you are agreeing to the fee increase.

      But the sneaky behavior I've observed my CC company doing lately is this: when they change their terms, they notify you by burying the notice in a colorful envelope which looks like any other piece of junk mail. Inside the envelope are several glossy fliers and advertisements, and oh, by the way, the updated terms for your existing service are enclosed on a single pamphlet which looks at first glance like it could be for one of the services being advertised. But, if you read carefully, you'll see that it's your official notice of the new terms. They're hoping that you'll throw it out without noticing the changes.

  9. Nothing bad to say about Sprint. by changa · · Score: 1

    I have been with sprint for almost a decade and don't have any problems with them.

    Their customer service sucks but for some reason I never had much problem with it.

    Being in southern California the coverage is damn good and the data service is fast.

    During my long commute I stream Internet radio over my phone and it just works.

    I must have just been lucky.

    1. Re:Nothing bad to say about Sprint. by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

      You must be one of the lucky ones. I had Sprint about 8 years ago and my phone went on the fritz. So, I called them (from my office phone) and got put on hold for 30 minutes. I didn't have time to wait, so I hung up. The next day, I called them early in the morning. I was on hold for four hours. When they finally got around to taking my call, after about 30 seconds the rep told me "Sounds like it's your problem" and hung up on me. After being hung up on following a four hour hold time, I called back (the account department this time). Luckily, my contract had since expired, so I left those bastards and will never go back. They offered me a new phone and a $50 credit to stay, but I told them no way in hell.

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    2. Re:Nothing bad to say about Sprint. by EvilSurfinCow · · Score: 1

      I agree. 10 years w/sprint. Zero problems. Excellent coverage and service. When I have questions I email them and always have a responce/resolution within 24 hours. Telephone support has always been excellent. The only issue with them is I can not text friends on several eurpoean GSM carriers nor can I use my phone over seas. I'd love to switch to a GSM provider such as ATT but at $30 more a month for less service w/att than I have with sprint its hard to make that jump.....

    3. Re:Nothing bad to say about Sprint. by Ctrl+V · · Score: 1

      Same here, been with Sprint since 1999, not too many problems. Coverage for me has always been great - though I'm always close to 'bigger' cities and along interstates.

      Oddly enough, compared to many peoples' complaints about shitty Sprint Customer Service, I've had no hellish situations, and the single best customer service experience I've had was w/ a Sprint rep. I called up their normal CS number once to change my plan I believe. The guy that answered was extremely nice, knowledgeable, and discussed various options to get me the best priced plan. The thing about the call that really stuck in my mind was that he sounded like an older guy, not the typical 20/30ish rep that's clearly not happy working the phones. He spoke well and *conversed* with me, rather than spit out lines on a script. I've always suspected I got some guy who wasn't normally on the phones all day everyday, as if there was some program where high-level management took a few CS calls every now and again, just to stay connected w/ their customer base.

  10. multiple phones\broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw the post about termination or transfer of services without early termination fees.
    I run multiple phones and a couple of phone that don't work in necessary areas..
    Can I terminate these and or switch to new carrier without the 150-250 term fees...thanks

  11. My Experience by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The same thing happen about a year ago with international messaging rate hike. I called to cancel my plan but the rep. tried to argue that it doesn't constitute a "material change" to the contract. Seriously? Anyways, after threatening to call the California Public Utilities Commission failed, I actually called the California PUC. The PUC rep. told me that before I file a complaint, I should speak to their executive accounts customer service people so he transferred me over to their number. Some Sprint person picked up and was about to redirect me to retentions again but I told him very clearly that I've been forwarded by the PUC and am about to file a complaint. At that point, he actually forwarded me to their executive accounts people. I spoke to the lady and laid out my argument by reading the back of my bill, which contains the terms, along with the notice of the rate change. She put me on hold for a few minutes to check some stuff over and agreed with me. She even went so far as to put my account on hold and save my number so it can be ported to a new carrier. I switched to Virgin, who ironically is on the Sprint network, but having no contracts is awesome.

    Hope that helps anyone trying to leave Sprint. Don't let the retention rep scare you. If you have something like a PUC backing you up, use it! Know your rights.

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  12. how does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this work? Say I want to cancel my Sprint account and go to Verizon, but I'd like to keep the phone number I currently have. What order do things need to be done in?

    1. Re:how does this work? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately when you cancel your service like this, you lose your phone number. The only way to transfer your number (as far as I know) if you're in contract is to actually pay your ETF. As someone stated in an earlier comment, by refusing the changes in the contract, Sprint is canceling the contract instead of you, so you don't have to pay the ETF. To transfer your number, you'd have to cancel the account normally through the number transfer process.

    2. Re:how does this work? by red0ktob3r · · Score: 2, Informative

      I canceled my contract with Sprint through the chat option on the website (which only appears during business hours), and you have until the end of the billing cycle in which you canceled to port your number to a different carrier. I'm on T-Mobile now with the same number I had on Sprint.

  13. Can I cancel agreement and stay on sans-contract? by zachtib · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know if I can use this to end my 2 year agreement but continue my Sprint service? I don't plan on switching carriers, but I would like to be able to sign a new agreement for an upgrade in a few months when the Pre comes out.

  14. ETF is only 99 cents? by lifesizeactionfigure · · Score: 1

    The recession must have caused Slashdot to lay off some editors. Last time I checked, $0.99 was 99 cents, and that's not much of a "penalty" IMHO. $99.00 on the other hand... that's real money.

    1. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by dfm3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They must be using Verizon Math.

      But it does add up. That's 99 cents per month, or $12 per year, which granted isn't much. But when you add an "FCC" fee, "communications" fee, "we got sued by somebody and are passing the legal expenses onto our customers" fee, and the "just for the heck of it because we can" fee every month, you can be looking at a pretty hefty bill.

    2. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by LMacG · · Score: 1

      The administrative fee is going from 75 cents to 99 cents. Because of this change, you can get out of the contract without paying the ETF, which is in the neighborhood of $200.

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    3. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by DCstewieG · · Score: 1

      No, no. The administrative fee is going up to 99 cents. But the fee itself is irrelevant. The interest here is that because they changed the terms of the contract, you can cancel without paying the huge early termination fee. It's basically a loophole.

    4. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My Verizon "plan" is $43.99 per month, but my bill comes with $8.22 in taxes, surcharges, and fees. That's an 18.7% tax.

    5. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      There should be a law requiring providers to advertise the exact amount you will be billed every month. No giving you rate A, then charging you rate A + Taxes B.

      This way you can just look at the marketing materials and know exactly what you're going to pay without having to ask friends questions like "What's your total bill come out to?"

      This should be the case for all servides, including things like DSL, home phone, and cable TV.

    6. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by BarefootClown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There should be a law requiring providers to advertise the exact amount you will be billed every month. No giving you rate A, then charging you rate A + Taxes B.

      I'll meet you halfway: taxes should still be separated out--because I want to know how much the government is taking from me--but all fees and such ought to be rolled into the total price. That includes things like the "Line Number Portability Fee," which the government allows the carriers to collect, but does not mandate (and the revenue goes to the carrier, not the government).

      On the other hand, sales tax, the Universal Service Fee, etc. all go to the government. It's important that we be able to see just how much tax is being assessed if we're to keep control of our government.

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    7. Re:ETF is only 99 cents? by Renraku · · Score: 1

      Of course it adds up. The sinister plot is that since they don't lump them together and call them Extra Fees which might show up as something like $5 on every bill, most people don't complain. Its called being nickle-and-dimed for a reason. Its like when you buy a car and they throw in 20-30 extra hidden fees and tarrifs that they didn't tell you about when you were quoted the price and said you wanted to buy the car. Then they showed you the paperwork, bam, an extra ten percent onto the price of the car.

      But really, what option is there? There's no law preventing someone from passing fines/tarrifs/extra taxes on to their customers. I was involved with an ISP that had a lawsuit levied against it because one of the sysadmins abused their power to stalk an ex-lover of theirs. Guess what started appearing on the monthly bill? Yep, a new and strange charge that increased the price by about 10%.

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  15. I thought ETFs were going away? by timbck2 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there a bill in Congress to eliminate early termination fees (or at least force carriers to pro-rate them)? What happened to that? (As if I had to ask -- I'm sure the lobbyists got their way.)

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    1. Re:I thought ETFs were going away? by untorqued · · Score: 3, Informative

      The major carriers pre-empted the legislation by switching to prorated ETFs. For example, my last Verizon contract had a $175 ETF, which decreased by $5 for each month you're in the contract. Still a considerable hit even if you're only a few months from the end. Just enough to keep congress at bay, I guess.

    2. Re:I thought ETFs were going away? by JohnSearle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that I want to admit this, but I'm working for Sprint (temporarily) as a corporate rep. The ETF are most definitely prorated, starting at $200 and going to a minimum of $50.

      Just to let everyone know, you can also port your number without ETF within Sprint (ie: Sprint -> Boost Mobile). Boost Mobile doesn't have contracts... *hint* *hint*

      - John

    3. Re:I thought ETFs were going away? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Can anyone verify this?

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  16. Expensive by youthoftoday · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    $0.75 ... so that's seventy-five dollars?

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  17. Are we not nerds? by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    This get out of contract free stuff happens roughly twice a year, and is mentioned extensively on appropriate sites. I am having a very hard time understanding how this is appropriate slashdot material.

    That being said, I have never had a problem with sprint, and with the SERO plan, my bill is roughly the same as what I paid back in 1998.

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  18. You could die by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

    Google death certificate and legal documents. Get a letterhead from a law office and fill it all out to sound good. Send it in. See what happens. Never tired it but it just might work. Do you really think they are so bright as to check up on every single legal doc?

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  19. Or... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Leave sprint and come back in later for the decent stuff. I.e. by mid year they are supposed to have a handful of android devices and of course the palm pre. Leaving sprint and going for a month-to-month prepaid carrier may be appealing.

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  20. Confirmed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just called Sprint and after being put on hold for about 5 minutes, the rep (Julie) removed the ETF and said that my service would discontinue after I ported my number to another service provider.

  21. Just Terminated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to post a counter to some of the horror stories. I just now called *2 (following the options for contract modifications) and told them about the rate hike and that I wanted to leave the contract without the termination fee. The fellow on the phone agreed right away and was very pleasant as he took my information. He even kept my service open so I could transfer my number to a new carrier.

    I just think it's worth pointing out that forum posts skew towards reporting the negative experiences, and it's worth point out that that's not always the case.

    Now, I'm off to the apple store!

  22. Phone is too personnal... by Kindaian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When using phone, you are talking, and so all your voice undertones are being served to the other side, and vice-versa.

    That will make things harder to untangle, as they get more personal, some times too personal...

    Chat doesn't have that issue, with the plus side of the reliability of information conveyed in that way... ;)

  23. Won't change advertised price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, they'll still advertise your plan as $35.99 even though there are now $20 worth of fees you have to pay on top of that.

  24. Yay! I'm free! by xombo · · Score: 1

    I'm finally free from that awful Sprint Data plan with my PC Card.
    The first month was great. 2+ Mbps.
    After I was unable to cancel my contract within the "trial balloon", speeds dropped to 100Kbps--on a good day!
    I've been shelling out money for this UNTIL NOW.
    I called them up, had to bark at the customer retention rep as he claimed that they couldn't waive it because they can do what they want neener-neener-neener take this $10 line item discount and be happy! And finally, after must protest, they cut me loose.

    Just be forceful and adamant about it!

  25. Halelujah by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I am free! Sprint's service in the Greater Phoenix Metro area is abyssmal. Calls drop as often as they go through.

  26. Easy. by dmizer · · Score: 1

    I was able to terminate my 2 year contract (after one year) with Sprint for no charge. I just told them I was moving out of their service area. I assume this technique would work with other carriers (landline included) as well. This was about 4 years ago though ... YMMV.

    1. Re:Easy. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      That didn't work for me when I moved out of Cingular's service area. They just told me that it wasn't their fault I moved. They did cut the ETF in half.

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  27. Contracts by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I've always felt that contracts for cell service are a scam. Why? Setting up cell service is entirely computerized and there is almost no effort on the part of the sales or customer service people. Contracts are instead a replacement for good customer service. If you are in a contract and the service sucks it seems like the customer service rep and retention reps could care less. However, if there is nothing to prevent you from leaving, they actually have to work hard to keep you.

  28. Verizon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a year or two ago the same thing happened with Verizon and people in howardforums went over how to get out without an ETF.

              MOST people got out without an ETF that wanted to.

              There IS an alternative way a company can handle this, though, which once or two people in the forum had Verizon reps do... the rep's like "Oh 24 cents? Yeah I'll put a credit for that, I'll go ahead and put a note on your account here so you'll be have no trouble calling in next month for your credit." Or the variant "OK, 24 cents for the next 2 years, yeah here's a $5.76 credit to cover that". I expect the reps got to take some credit for "saving" someone from leaving. The guys weren't terribly pleased not getting out of the contract, but did have to admit they were then not materially affected by the change, since they got the 24 cents credited back.

    1. Re:Verizon... by xombo · · Score: 1

      You just have to refuse the credit. Once you accept the credit they have made their concession on the contract and you can no longer attempt for the ETF.

  29. I READ THE ARTICLE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems that $0.75 wasn't going to cut it as Sprint has raised its fee yet again, this time to $0.99.

    Is this about NINETY-NINE PENNIES or are you people using Verizon math? Seriously, what is going on? I thought an ETF (early termination fee) was more like $200 dollars (or $2 with Verizon math). Seriously, WTF?

    1. Re:I READ THE ARTICLE! by MLease · · Score: 1

      The 99 cent administrative fee they're talking about is not the early termination fee. The administrative fee is one of those line-items on your monthly bill that drives up the actual rate you pay per month above the advertised rate (for advertising purposes, this fee "doesn't count"). What the article is referring to is Sprint's waiving the ETF for people who object to the increase in the administrative fee strongly enough to want to switch carriers.

      Are you sure you read the article? :)

      -Mike

      --
      I'm sorry; I don't know what I was thinking!
    2. Re:I READ THE ARTICLE! by tiny1877 · · Score: 1

      read != comprehend

  30. Re:Can I cancel agreement and stay on sans-contrac by ccoder · · Score: 1

    I think the key is *in a few months*... you might not be able to do what you want, the way you want.  Of course, if you're willing to pay extra fees in the short term, signup for a pre-paid account and switch back later!  Just make your decision before the 31st, it seems...

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    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" -- George Orwell
  31. How about fees not in the contract? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Fido by default on my account charges that stupid "system access fee."

    However, it didn't actually mention the SAF on my account, and I recently discovered that Fido has *other* plans that DON'T have a SAF. It seems to me that by charging the SAF on some plans and not others, what they're really doing is adding an undisclosed extra charge on top of the actual plan, in an attempt to make the plan look cheaper than it actually is...

  32. I basically agree, but. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    The contracts aren't technically required for cell phone service, and are not a 'setup fee'. In the US, most cell carriers subsidize the cost of the actual mobile phone that the customer carries around by 'rolling the cost' into the cost of service. So, you sign up for new service, and you get can a "$300" phone (I put it in quotes, because who knows what the actual price is the cell phone companies have to pay, and thus subsidize) for, say, $100 dollars, with the cell phone company providing a "$200" discount on the phone. The contract, then, is to get that subsidy.

    The problems with this system are:

    1. They generally don't 'pro-rate' the early termination fee, so you may have been paying for monthly service for a year, but the ETF is still $200 (instead of $100, allowing for the fact that you have already payed for service for a year).
    2. As I alluded to earlier, since we don't know the real true cost of the phones, we don't know what the real subsidy is, which might be significantly less than the advertised value. This also means that if you choose to buy the phone outright, you are probably paying more for the phone than the cell phone company pays when you sign a contract.
    3. The cost of service is the same whether you get the phone discount or buy the phone outright - so if you buy the phone outright, you are essentially being double-billed. Also, if you keep your phone more than 2 years, your cost of service does not go down after the subsidy has been 'recouped' by the phone companies.
    4. Finally, in the US, most carriers won't let you 'bring your own phone' - you have to buy and use one of theirs, and if you switched carriers, you would still have to get a new phone. Even if they did let you use another phone, they would still be charging you the same rate, as in the previous point, so you are still screwed.

    The mobile phone companies, it would seem, have everything figured out. Unfortunately, there is no chance the FCC will do anything about this arrangement, to provide fair treatment of customers, because the government makes too much money off of spectrum auctions for the licenses the mobile phone companies need for radio frequencies (I think each of the phone companies have spent 2-4 billion dollars on their licenses - they have to make that money back somehow, and turn a profit; the whole system of frequency auctions is, IMO, a corrupt collusion between government and the mobile operators to ensure that US consumers pay the highest price they can squeeze out of us).

    I've given some thought to getting rid of my cell phone altogether when my current contract expires. But, honestly, just me cancelling my service wouldn't change anything. If I knew that several 10's of millions of other subscribers were going to do it too, in an organized boycott, I'd totally do it, though. Lacking that, I'm just going to do the next best thing - switch carriers when my contract expires, to one that provides slightly better terms to me.

    1. Re:I basically agree, but. . . by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that, in the US at least, all of the carriers are colluding together to create a monopoly that required subsidized phones and two-year contracts. And they lobby congress hard, so that they are able to escape scrutiny and oversight.

      There is simply no way for a new carrier with no two-year-lock-in policy to successfully compete for market share against the current companies without dramatically sacrificing their profits.

  33. Why get stuck again? by tcampb01 · · Score: 1

    Buy a replacement at full price? You must have friends, right? Those friends must have old phones they don't use anymore because *they* got new phones to extend their contracts.

    Just find a friend with a phone they don't use anymore -- they'll probably give it to you.

    If you don't have any friends, just buy a used phone on eBay for a couple bucks.

  34. You have until March by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just canceled my service and the customer rep mentioned that I had until March to complete this. He didn't give a specific date.