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Microsoft Brings Back DRM

Barence writes "Microsoft yesterday unveiled its MSN Mobile Music service — and a surprise return to digital rights management (DRM). While companies such as Apple and Amazon have finally moved to music download services free of copy protection, MSN Mobile locks tracks to the mobile handset they are downloaded to. It also charges more than the other services per track, and offers no way to transfer your tracks to your new phone when you upgrade. The company's Head of Mobile UK spoke to PC Pro about the launch, but his answers are almost as baffling as the service itself. Best quote: Q: 'If I buy these songs on your service — and they're locked to my phone — what happens when I upgrade my phone in six months' time?' A: 'Well, I think you know the answer to that.'"

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  1. Clueless by alain94040 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So many great quotes from a certain Hugh Griffiths, Head of Mobile at Microsoft UK:

    We'll be looking to enhance the service if we get some interest from consumers

    PR101: Don't tell journalists that no one cares about your product.

    At the moment we don't have the functionality in-house to provide a mechanism for transferring between mobile phones and PC

    CS101: Microsoft doesn't have the technology in-house to do a simple file transfer?

    I didn't realise phones were churning that quickly in the marketplace these days

    How clueless can you be? This guy almost makes me feel good about the other news of the day (Microsoft to laying off 5,000).

    I suspect a Microsoft conspiracy to reassure their shareholders that indeed, getting rid of deadwood will not hurt business, on the contrary! He is a living proof (assuming he is one of the "chosen").

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    1. Re:Clueless by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Funny

      All I can say is... Wow... What the heck? Was this a joke or did he really say those things?
      This sounds like something you would see on Futurama.

      A reporter talking to Mom talking about Moms Music Network.
      "If I buy these songs on your service - and they're locked to my phone - what happens when I upgrade my phone in six months' time?"

      Mom: "Well, I think you know the answer to that."

      Bender; "Your boned!"

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    2. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      hey i have a zune, and i enjoy it.

    3. Re:Clueless by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Informative

      Has Microsoft secretly stumbled onto some previously unknown technique for making money off of doomed products that none of us have heard of? That's the only explanation for the constant parade of suck that's been pouring out of Microsoft in the recent years. I mean, they've never really been known for doing a quality job, but at least they've traditionally made products that have sold if for no other reason than Microsoft's standard unsavory practices. Now comes the Zune, Vista, "new" hotmail (on par with "New Coke" it seems), and now these plans for what sounds to be one of the worst DRM implementations ever at a time when their competitors are moving to distance themselves from DRM and the recent customer backlash surrounding it. I honestly can't understand how Microsoft could possibly be this boneheaded. At least things are looking, if not exactly good, at least encouraging on the Windows 7 front.

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    4. Re:Clueless by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep. He sounds like "we're trying to sell something that's crappier than Vista on a Zune, I know it and I gave up hope long ago. Kill me now."

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    5. Re:Clueless by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just wait until you try to play music on it.

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    6. Re:Clueless by panaceaa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm no PR guy, I'm an engineer. And if I were put into Hugh Griffiths' shoes, I'm not so sure I'd have answered the questions any differently. He knows the product sucks: It's more expensive, non-transferable, and behind the times technically. He's probably IMMENSELY frustrated that they could only release this crap given the building products they have to work with. So, he grits his teeth, does an interview, and does his best to not say anything negative. But you can just tell he's disappointed.

      If I were him, actually, I wouldn't have done the interview. That's probably his big mistake.

    7. Re:Clueless by cecille · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why was this marked flamebait? I have one too, and I like it as well. The screen is big, the UI isn't too terribly clumsy, it fits in my pocket and it doesn't require iTunes. Oh yeah, and it plays MP3s, which is what I bought it for. So far it hasn't pissed me off in any large way, so it's still good in my books. I'm not sure why this comment would be considered inflammatory other than because it's not strictly anti-Microsoft as per slashdot forum opinion requirements.

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    8. Re:Clueless by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Q: If I buy these songs on your service - and they're locked to my phone - what happens when I upgrade my phone in six months' time?
      A: Well, I think you know the answer to that.

      Hmmm
      Q: If you try to run a business with your services and business model as they are now, what will happen to them in six months time?
      A: I think you know the answer to that."

      There, fixed it for you.

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    9. Re:Clueless by calmofthestorm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some people go to community colleges for reasons other than "being idiots". Like, for example, saving money, staying near home, etc etc. Nor are they all terrible educational institutions, especially not for freshman and sophomore classes.

      Careful with the elitism, it interferes with the meat of your message. Having taken classes both at community colleges and at a quite prestigious science school, I can tell you there is a difference in quality of instruction available, but it is dwarfed by the difference in the students who take advantage of their opportunities and those who do not.

      Aside from that last line, I agree completely.

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  2. Another Bomb Here to Stay by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple and Amazon have finally moved to music download services free of copy protection

    I'm sorry, I was under the impression that Amazon's music service has always been DRM free. Could you please point me to a source showing that their service was ever under DRM? Did they offer a music service before Amazon MP3?

    I don't know why everyone got excited when Apple went DRM-free, I've been buying DRM free MP3 singles from Amazon for over a year.

    I don't think Microsoft is alone in their cling-to-DRM mentality. I think this will bomb but does it really even matter? It's just going to be another Zune/XBox bomb all over again offset by their other divisions so it's here to stay whether the market & investors say it should be or not. Oh well, if they want to lose money, let 'em. It does take more work for me to put my MP3s on my phone, maybe joe consumer won't put up with that and live with the DRM? We'll see after an upgrade though ...

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    1. Re:Another Bomb Here to Stay by PingSpike · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cough up? I think you mean "squirt out"?

  3. Summary by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "We're looking to gouge customers who are too stupid to look elsewhere."

  4. Re:!surprise by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lock-in has worked pretty well for Microsoft so far. They have no motivation to change strategies. They will have to suffer a near-death experience before they will actually pay attention to what the user wants and what the market is delivering.

  5. Premises don't support their conclusion by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While companies such as Apple and Amazon have finally moved to music download services free of copy protection, MSN Mobile locks tracks to the mobile handset they are downloaded to. It also charges more than the other services per track, and offers no way to transfer your tracks to your new phone when you upgrade.

    This is why it contradicts itself. If [A] piracy is a problem (represents lost sales, etc.) and [B] DRM is the correct response to this problem, then it does not follow that a system using a rather strict form of DRM would charge more per track. If anything, this should make their prices cheaper, especially considering that the non-transferrability would cause some repeat purchases with no additional expenses incurred by the seller.

    The company's Head of Mobile UK spoke to PC Pro about the launch, but his answers are almost as baffling as the service itself. Best quote: Q: "If I buy these songs on your service â" and they're locked to my phone â" what happens when I upgrade my phone in six months' time?" A: "Well, I think you know the answer to that.""

    He is being unusually honest about this, although I don't think that's courage on his part but rather a reliance on the apathy of the average customer.

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  6. Let me fix that for you... by FriendSite.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    Answer... We'll be looking to enhance the service if we get some interest from consumers

    Real Answer... We've hurriedly acquired some third party that provides a service that we kind of want and we're keeping our fingers crossed that it's profitable and works.

    Answer... At the moment we don't have the functionality in-house to provide a mechanism for transferring between mobile phones and PC

    Real Answer... We've blindly bought this company on a me-too whim - I have no idea what they do, and we're kind of regretting it that customers haven't thrown a ticker tape party for us, people do that for Apple when they release something cool.. WHHHHHHYYYY can't they do that for us :-(

    Answer... I didn't realise phones were churning that quickly in the marketplace these days

    Real Answer... I'm used to working in a big corporation where my incompetence and lack of on-the-trigger knowledge is drowned out by the number of people who work there. It means I have no idea about the product, where it'll go, how it will perform or how it works. I've just been told by my director to "Go do something like Apple or Amazon and we'll sort it all out later" ...

    There.. fixed it for you Mr Griffiths

  7. Re:Hilarious... by BigBuckHunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in. Microsoft will now be laying off "5001" workers.

    BBH

  8. Re:another spin on a vague quote by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q: "i can't imagine MS would be THAT stupid to ignore such obvious common sense in the face of such steep competition. can they really be that out of touch? are they intentionally trying to fail?"

    A: "Well, I think you know the answer to that."

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  9. It's sad to think of those affected by psnyder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have very intelligent friends, usually over 30, that just have no idea about computers, and frankly don't care. It's as interesting to them as how their toaster works. They come to me with their computer issues and the phrase I hear often is, "I hate this. Technology is supposed to make life easier."

    They're frustrated and rightfully so. Some will undoubtedly buy into crap like this, and not understand why they can't have their music anymore. They'll get frustrated, angry, or cry, and try silly things to put the music on their computer or new phones. Another phrase I hear often: "I was up half the night trying to get this to work."

    The people who sell things like this are putting out a product they know to be inferior. They rationalize it with ideas like, "people have a choice" and "people may actually prefer this layout and never realize the drawbacks."

    But in the end, my friends would have a bought a better product for less if this crap hadn't been around. And when they can't do what they thought they should be able to do, they don't know why, and they get very upset. Crap like this ruins the days of many, many people. It's avoidable and it's the fault of people who put plans like this into action.

    They're screwing people over to make a buck, plain and simple.

  10. Any large company does this by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, you are making the assumption that this arrogance does not exist in the higher ranks. I personally feel that Microsoft is occupied by too many people out of touch with reality.

    I just had a two day meeting with a client who represents a large medical company.

    A two day meeting to tell me how much of a hurry he's in.

    Large companies seem to infect people with this sort of brain rot.

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