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RIAA Threatens Harvard Law Prof With Sanctions

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Unhappy with Harvard Law Professor Charles Nesson's motion to compel the deposition of the RIAA's head 'Enforcer', Matthew J. Oppenheim, in SONY BMG Music v. Tenenbaum, the RIAA threatened the good professor with sanctions (PDF) if he declined to withdraw his motion. Then the next day they filed papers opposing the motion, and indeed asked the Court to award monetary sanctions under Rule 37 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure."

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  1. Who is this guy, & why does he not want to spe by Bearhouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the first link: 'Mr. Oppenheim is the person who has been identified by the RIAA lawyers sometimes as the "client", sometimes as the "industry representative", and sometimes as the "client representative", and on at least one occasion as "the only person who had settlement authority" for the RIAA members. He claims to be associated with an entity called "The Oppenheim Group", and has acted as attorney of record for the record companies in several proceedings in Washington, D.C.'

    So, if he represents the interests of the artists, (ahem), why is he - or his legal team, taking such extraordinary steps to avoid testifying?

  2. You don't get it, do you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not about the law. It's about money! Stop interfering with our money-making!

    1. Re:You don't get it, do you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      going one step up, er... down, money is about control.

      That explains why RIAA heads seem not to care if their actions get them hated or boycotted. Their battle is making people accept Intellectual Property being enforced. Is it a primary objective or just a way to terrorize people and prevent them for doing other things, like, you know, looking at what other powerful people do to society, dunno.

      Those who collected enough power to be able to influence how much money is printed have no interest in having more or less money. They want money to have maximum control over as much people as possible. This effort shaped the history of the latest centuries, somebody call it conspiracy, i call it a natural outcome of control freaks interacting with other people.

    2. Re:You don't get it, do you? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright eventually runs out

      You must be old here.

    3. Re:You don't get it, do you? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I bet if RIAA had stuck to suing copyright infringers, none of us would have ever heard of NewYorkCountryLawyer.

      May well be so. I only came into the fight because of my hatred of bullies, and because these bullies were so obviously wrong on the law, wrong on the facts, and immoral and unprofessional in their behavior.

      You might have otherwise heard of my alter ego, Ray what's-his-name, in other contexts, but probably not in this context.

      I only first discovered Slashdot when one of my litigation documents in Elektra v. Santangelo got 'Slashdotted' one day in the Summer of 2005. I traced the backlink to this place I'd never heard of, where an intelligent Talmudic discussion was going on, among a bunch of people who seemed kind of like lawyers, but who clearly were not lawyers, but who seemed smarter than lawyers. It looked like an ordinary message board, but it obviously was a whole 'nother thing.

      Things haven't been quite the same since.

      1. Spend a lot of time on Slashdot.
      2. Get the word out.
      3. Have a lot of fun.
      4. ???
      5. No profit whatsoever (in the financial sense).

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  3. modern version of sending pictures by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Stop this (perfectly legal thing) or our teams of lawyers will fuck up your life" seems to be the new iteration of having thugs beat up a family member or sending pictures of your kids playing outside.
    The intent is merely to scare people.

    1. Re:modern version of sending pictures by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Stop this (perfectly legal thing) or our teams of lawyers will fuck up your life" seems to be the new iteration of having thugs beat up a family member or sending pictures of your kids playing outside.

      I may consider stopping the kids from playing outside if they sent me those pictures of the lawyers beaten up by the thugs.

  4. Your Honor by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your Honor, we would like you to impose sanction against him. He's not supposed to fight back. Please punish him for fighting back. Our strategy doesn't work when intelligent lawyers fight back. This must be put to an end right now.

    Pathetic RIAA.

    1. Re:Your Honor by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, the court can't impose sanctions under Rule 37 for fighting back.

      Rule 37 says the court can impose sanction, basically, if someone refuses or fails to appear, respond, answer etc. when so ordered by the court:

      (A) Motion; Grounds for Sanctions. The court where the action is pending may, on motion, order sanctions if:

      (i) a party or a party's officer, director, or managing agent â" or a person designated under Rule 30(b)(6) or 31(a)(4) â" fails, after being served with proper notice, to appear for that person's deposition; or

      (ii) a party, after being properly served with interrogatories under Rule 33 or a request for inspection under Rule 34, fails to serve its answers, objections, or written response.

      (B) Certification. A motion for sanctions for failing to answer or respond must include a certification that the movant has in good faith conferred or attempted to confer with the party failing to act in an effort to obtain the answer or response without court action.

  5. When the client is a lawyer ... by l2718 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I sue you, I can't hide my claims against you on the theory that my thoughts about these claims are part of my legal representation. This is the case even if I'm a lawyer. The RIAA is trying to do just that by employing a lawyer intermediary between the RIAA itself and the legal team representing them: First, the RIAA generates "evidence". Then the RIAA gives the evidence to the intermediary lawyer, and also charges him with making all the decisions for the corporation. Finally, the intermediary becomes the "client" for the actual legal team. This way the real client is shielded from discovery: all their contributions to the lawsuit were done through their "client-attorney" relationship with the intermediary. It's a thing of beauty, but I suspect it's not legal.

    1. Re:When the client is a lawyer ... by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a thing of beauty, but I suspect it's not legal.

      As always.

      Wait, this isn't the britsh pedophiles topic.

  6. Re:Attorney-Client Privelidge by l2718 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Mr. Oppenheimer has been the RIAA's attorney (meaning agent only) then there has to have been someone at the RIAA giving him directions and telling him what to do. Basically the RIAA is trying to hold both ends of the stick: when you ask the RIAA: "who's the person who can speak for the corporation about this litigation", they say it's Mr. Oppenheimer. When you then say "Ok, can I ask Mr. Oppenheimer some questions?" they say: no, he's actually our lawyer so he can't tell you anything.

    Say the RIAA sues someone. This means they gathered evidence etc. But the RIAA is not an actual human, just a "legal person". So some human employee of the RIAA must be able to testify to things like "we told our investigators to look for X" or "this is how much money we lost due to this alleged infringement". The RIAA is trying to claim that the employee who knows all this stuff is at the same time the RIAA's lawyer, so he only knows this stuff as their attorney and can't testify to it. It's a clever way to avoid having to present their case.

  7. Re:Legal language and strength of case by Tryfen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The case to which you are referring is Arkell vs Pressdram.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkell_vs_Pressdram#Litigation

    The salient point is that Arkell's lawyers wrote to Private Eye saying "Our client's attitude to damages will depend on the nature of your reply". Private Eye's response was "We would be interested to know what your client's attitude to damages would be if the nature of our reply were as follows: Fuck off".

    I recommend that people take this option more often. I *am* a lawyer - this is legal advice.

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  8. Re:Who is this guy, & why does he not want to by meist3r · · Score: 5, Informative

    You mean THIS guy:

    "was the Senior Vice President of Legal and Business Affairs for the RIAA."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Oppenheim

    "Mr. Oppenheim then became active as one of the lead litigators representing the record industry in the landmark "file-sharing" cases against peer-to-peer networks, including against Napster, Aimster, AudioGalaxy, Morpheus, Grokster and Kazaa."
    http://www.spoke.com/info/p6QsSD8/MatthewOppenheim

    "It is not legal, ethical or cool to copy somebody else's CD for your own use."
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/june03/copyright2.html

    See, he doesn't even agree with himself. What the RIAA does is not legal, ethical or cool since they copy the artists CDs for their own use. Bad Bad RIAA ;)

  9. Re:RIAA reaching new heights of credibility by meist3r · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well you're right. English is not my primary language and even though my vocabulary is pretty good (I even knew extortion) sometimes I mix stuff up. So cut me some slack please?

    If you don't I'll black-extort you.

  10. Re:Capitalism at it's best. by u38cg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not really. The RIAA is a perfect example of a cartel and what it can do. There's a reason they are usually illegal.

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  11. Re:RIAA reaching new heights of credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is no one reminded of the Monty Python skit?

    "Sure is a nice army base you have here, Colonel. It would be a shame is something....happened to it"

  12. Re:Who is this guy, & why does he not want to by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    why is he - or his legal team, taking such extraordinary steps to avoid testifying?

    Because he's so morbidly overweight that he's no longer able to leave his bed. That and the bad hair plugs keep him from going out in public. Oh, and he's got one of those crazy eyes where you can't tell where he's looking and he knows everybody on the internet will put his testimony on YouTube and laugh at him and leave mean comments. He's really a very sensitive soul and if you met him you'd like him, except for the horrible odor that comes from his unwillingness to bathe due to his persistent aquaphobia.

    That, and if he showed his face he'd be in more danger than Barack Obama at a Klan meeting.

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  13. Re:Who is this guy, & why does he not want to by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It is not legal, ethical or cool to copy somebody else's CD for your own use."

    Oh, come on. It is kind of cool.

    You know it is.

    And even cooler is copying DVDs. You can have like thousands of movies in perfect quality, and the best part is that Mr. Oppenheim (if that is his real name) and his Rothchild/Bavarian Illuminati/Reptilian/Council on Foreign Relations/Banking Cartel buddies don't get a single red cent.

    And the fun with Blue-Ray is just starting.

    Now that's really cool.

    Seriously, who's doing the RIAA's public relations?

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  14. Re:Attorney-Client Privelidge by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, IANAL, but it kinda sounds illogical. When you can't present your case, how can you have one? Isn't that like saying "I sue you, but I won't tell you why, I only want you to be convicted and forced to pay me a sum that springs from my imagination"?

    Thinking about it again... that's pretty much how they do it, ain't it?

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  15. NYCL, please start annotating your submissions! by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people are still not understanding what this means, its implications, and its likelihood for success.

    It's important to translate things out of legalese and analyze it in the context of the proceedings.

    Slashdot is a tech site, not a legal one, so while the general community can see "aha", "touche'", and "gotcha" moments in, say, the realm of computer science or electrical engineering, we don't see it in legal context without some actual analysis. Feel free to qualify things with "this is my opinion" or whatever, but analysis and translation is essential.

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  16. Wasting resources by immakiku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RIAA's lawyers actually wrote this in the threat: "Defendent's repeated failures to follow basic rules of procedure is making this case far more expensive and time consuming than it should be." hmm... I'd almost say something like, Plaintiff's repeated contortions of basic rules of procedure is making multiple cases far more expensive and time consuming than it should be.

  17. Re:Who is this guy, & why does he not want to by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    2) Modifying the movie, and the extra's, violates the TOC. Just like any contract, if you do not like it then do not sign for it

    What contract? What TOC? I don't recall signing a contract the last time I bought a movie.

    Modifying a movie is just like buying a book and then writing in the margin, or tearing out pages -- do you think that is illegal too?

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