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Linus Switches From KDE To Gnome
An anonymous reader writes "In a recent Computerworld interview, Linus revealed that he's switched to Gnome — this despite launching a heavily critical broadside against Gnome just a few years ago. His reason? He thinks KDE 4 is a 'disaster.' Although it's improved recently, he'll find many who agree with this prognosis, and KDE 4 can be painful to use." There's quite a bit of interesting stuff in this interview, besides, regarding the current state of Linux development.
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Yes, KDE and Gnome are pretty big names when it comes to window managers, but there are other worthy WMs out there too!
Windows, for example.
As a long time (and current) supporter of KDE, I currently run a gnome only setup. Having said that...
1) I used KDE 4.1 under openSUSE, and I couldn't even remotely understand what all the fuss is about with KDE4. Maybe someone distros stabilize the desktop more than others.
2) Most importantly, had another large figure in the OSS community made such a comment about the kernel (and justifiably so I might add), I don't think he would have liked it much. As a developer on another large project, you would think that Linux of all people would understand. This is the only problem I have with Linus: He knows a large percentage of the Linux community hang on his every word, yet he still acts like he's just a guy hanging out in a chatroom. Knowing this, you would think he'd be more responsible about the comments he makes. Even though no one "owns" Linux, you'd be in denial if you said he wasn't the one person that had a claim to the throne. So when Linux finally does get on the brink of widespread usage, how do you think the goody-goodies are going to respond when someone digs up old mailing list threads of him cursing like a sailor or being a jerk?
ersonally, KDE and Gnome both suck. They're both heavy-weight X-Window environments. I like XFCE better because it's simple, doesn't contain all of those "extra applications" I will never use, and is lightweight (IMHO).
So because a product has more features than you'll use it sucks?
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Linus, Gnome, and KDE in are in the title. I'm surprised no one's been compared to Hitler yet.
I don't believe you.
hmm, maybe they should host getthefacts.com on a linux box, cuz it's definitely down.
It works just fine from here. I mean, they -could- host it on Linux, but then it would be less stable, less secure and more expensive. You really should just get the facts.
Now imagine if MS would ship pdf viewer with their system, adobe would shred them to pieces with anti-monopoly laws. Just look at problems IE shipping with windows generates (well, but without IE how will I download firefox?)
You could use FTP. Windows includes that. At least until someone making a commercial graphical FTP program talks to the EU anti-monopoly lawyers.
Yah, she is made from silicone, erm, silicium.
"Hell has frozen over".
Oh yeah, because WinZip invented the ZIP format.
Sheesh.
start --> run --> cmd
/pub/firefox/releases/3.0.5/$OS/en-US
ftp ftp.mozilla.org
user = anonymous
passwd = your@email.com
cd
bin
get Firefox Setup 3.0.5.(exe/tar.gz)
bye
That wasn't so hard was it.
All points of time and space are connected.
Hey now! Perl 6 will come out a lot sooner than KDE 5 or Hurd! It rates only a 0.6 on the Duke Nukem Forever scale.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
"The biggest thing Sun did with ZFS is they were good with PR and marketing." - Sour grapes? Not very elegant to say the least.
"Hey, I usually do my presentation slides in PowerPoint." - Now, that revelation should be sufficient reason to keep the Free (as in RMS/FSS) versus OSS schism for another 20 years. ;-)
"It turns out the best way to interface with it is with Java." - From my memory it's the first positive thing that Linus says of Java, ever. Perhaps now that OpenJDK offers 100% open source Java, Linux is willing to be kinder on it.
"I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster I switched to GNOME." - A couple years ago Linus says GNOME sucks; now, Linus says KDE sucks. We can summarize that as: Linus recognizes that Linux sucks in the desktop - period. The best one can do is moving away from the worst to the second-worst desktop at any given year... In a related note, 2009 is not going to be "year of the Linux desktop".
All you need is "xterm &"
Seriously, if you want a really lean-and-mean setup, just regard your window manager as a way to launch as many shells as you want. Then run your programs from the command line. I continue to use windowmaker for this very purpose. No shiny file managers or flashy dialogs, but all the shell-opening action one could ever desire.
The disadvantage is that your PC will be so efficient that you won't bother upgrading it for ten years, and one day you will find out that everybody on the web expects you to use Javascript now. Sites that were once fast have slowed to a crawl thanks to their "Web 2.0" features, and Flash continues to be as awful as it ever was. Finally, you gnaw through your Ethernet cable and decide never to venture online again.
The tao of democracy: the government you can vote for is not the real government.
I'm suprised he didn't just write his own.
I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
I don't really care about this thread, but having followed it down several layers and spending quite a bit of time reading it, I feel compelled to comment.
CarpetShark? You're a fucking jackass.
There we go, now the time is well-spent.
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